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RED Hydrogen - $1500 Android Smartphone

7 hours ago, Drak3 said:

So only 500x the worth of an iPhone over the price of an iPhone*

Yes, because the iPhones never top performance charts and do a horrible job in production use cases

/s

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Just now, Centurius said:

Yes, because the iPhones never top performance charts and do a horrible job in production use cases

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Has it? I can't remember after NVMe came out. 

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1 minute ago, Centurius said:

Yes, because the iPhones never top performance charts and do a horrible job in production use cases.

/s

I always consider it worthless because of the disposable black box design philosophy and the limited OS.

Honestly, if a company makes a product to be thrown out at the drop of a hat it's the same to me as paper plates.

Which just sort of makes me frustrated when I look at the consumer tech industry and where it's going. And a little scared.

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4 hours ago, Mooshi said:

It's still a phone. Unless it does something beyond talk, text, camera and data capability--its nothing special.

Read the PDF. Its compatible with other RED cameras and can also be used a display interface for them. If you look at the photo you can see their high speed data bus on the back. So, its modular with their products and ecosystem. Not a bad value add. Why buy a separate screen for your RED camera when you can just use your phone?

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4 hours ago, LinusTech said:

Ordered one.....

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2 minutes ago, ionbasa said:

Read the PDF. Its compatible with other RED cameras and can also be used a display interface for them. If you look at the photo you can see their high speed data bus on the back. So, its modular with their products and ecosystem. Not a bad value add. Why buy a separate screen for your RED camera when you can just use your phone?

Alternative take on this. Why buy a phone when you can just use your RED camera screen.

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YAAASSSS.

Come Bloody Angel

Break off your chains

And look what I've found in the dirt.

 

Pale battered body

Seems she was struggling

Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

The blood is on your hands.

 

The blood is on your hands!

 

Pyo.

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29 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

I always consider it worthless because of the disposable black box design philosophy and the limited OS.

Honestly, if a company makes a product to be thrown out at the drop of a hat it's the same to me as paper plates.

Which just sort of makes me frustrated when I look at the consumer tech industry and where it's going. And a little scared.

Right but if you design the product well enough there is no need to fix it. Also if you get a pattern down then the cycle of upgrading can be anticipated so there aren't shortages and all of the last gen products can be recycled into new ones.

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1 hour ago, nerdslayer1 said:

one plus had a "flagship killer" one plus one was really good, best smartphone in its price range, Sony makes excellent camera but when it comes to smartphone camara, Xperia phones are average. let's hope it lives up to the hype, i am personally waiting for the reviews before i judge it. 

To be fair, iirc the camera division and the cell phone division are completely different entities. Here, you'd have everything under the same roof.

 

I think @ionbasa nailed it with his post. It'll be more of an accessory for a RED than anything else.

48 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

I always consider it worthless because of the disposable black box design philosophy and the limited OS.

Honestly, if a company makes a product to be thrown out at the drop of a hat it's the same to me as paper plates.

Which just sort of makes me frustrated when I look at the consumer tech industry and where it's going. And a little scared.

It's not really disposable though. You can use it for years. Battery gets old? Replace it. I have friends that still use their iPhone 4s. You can use most electronics for many, many years if you choose to. Most people don't because the rate at which they're replaced by something better.

20 minutes ago, ionbasa said:

Read the PDF. Its compatible with other RED cameras and can also be used a display interface for them. If you look at the photo you can see their high speed data bus on the back. So, its modular with their products and ecosystem. Not a bad value add. Why buy a separate screen for your RED camera when you can just use your phone?

That's pretty cool! And honestly makes the cost aspect totally understandable. Though it kind of kills the thought that it'll have any kind of wicked stand alone camera...

19 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Alternative take on this. Why buy a phone when you can just use your RED camera screen.

Don't most RED cameras lack a screen? You have to add it via module, no?

20 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

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That's just...sad. The iPhone is an excellent phone for a majority of cell phone users.

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Don't most RED cameras lack a screen? You have to add it via module, no?

What you're trying to do is find a a pitfall in the logic in my joke. But all I'm hearings is RED should bundle these with their cameras.

 

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That's just...sad. The iPhone is an excellent phone for a majority of cell phone users.

Yeah that statement is true of most models provided by most brands.

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9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That's just...sad. The iPhone is an excellent phone for a majority of cell phone users.

ignore the trolls

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7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

What you're trying to do is find a a pitfall in the logic in my joke. But all I'm hearings is RED should bundle these with their cameras.

 

Yeah that statement is true of most models provided by most brands.

Haha, yup. Though to be fair, if the person owns a RED camera already, $1,500 for a phone is a small expense.

True, but to say the iPhone isn't an excellent device is kind of stupid.

6 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

ignore the trolls

I like to try and curb their onslaught. If you say nothing they'll think it's acceptable. 

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32 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Right but if you design the product well enough there is no need to fix it. Also if you get a pattern down then the cycle of upgrading can be anticipated so there aren't shortages and all of the last gen products can be recycled into new ones.

The recycling thing is reasonable, but that's not what Apple's doing. It's what they say they're doing, but that holds no water. So few people actually recycle dead iPhones, if I recall Apple doesn't have programs for everything, and even what they do with the ones they do take is seriously suspect after listening to Louis Rossmann.

 

The pattern thing is sensible from a business perspective, but it's ultimately only a bad thing for customers. I do not want to buy something that is designed for a limited life span. Sure, they do have to incorporate some consumable things (like batteries), but in a good design that does not make the whole device consumable.

 

And as for design, uh... We aren't Forerunners, man. We cannot physically make something that cannot be damaged by any reasonable stress, much less when electronics and plates of glass are involved. And Apple sure as hell isn't close.

 

8 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's not really disposable though. You can use it for years. Battery gets old? Replace it. I have friends that still use their iPhone 4s. You can use most electronics for many, many years if you choose to. Most people don't because the rate at which they're replaced by something better.

You have to disassemble the phone in order to replace the battery, which nowadays means clawing through gobs of adhesive and fiddling with very delicate components. If I recall, the 4 and 5 series chassis were the last ones to actually feature screws as the primary fastener, which is something that I think makes a huge difference. In fact, looking at the earlier iPhones, I really can't say I have a lot against them. They're less like the modern paper plate phones and more just really streamlined phones with an OS I'd prefer not to use.

Anyway, in contrast to the current trend towards disposable black boxes, looking at the picture of the Red phone I just noticed a few big, clean, friendly hex screws. And they're not even security. If this thing is actually real, and those aren't just for show, that's some serious brownie points right there.

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Will only get updates up to android O (in 2019)

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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

Will only get updates up to android O (in 2019)

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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You say that like it's a bad thing.

N or nougat is the current android version, and O is the next one. The year is 2017, and I said 2019 for android O, which is going to be released in late 2017.

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Just now, themctipers said:

N or nougat is the current android version, and O is the next one. The year is 2017, and I said 2019 for android O, which is going to be released in late 2017.

Again, you say it like it's a bad thing.

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Just now, Drak3 said:

Again, you say it like it's a bad thing.

it's making fun of how slow android phone manufacturers and carriers push out software updates. 

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Just now, themctipers said:

it's making fun of how slow android phone manufacturers and carriers push out software updates. 

Again, you say it like it's magically a bad thing.

 

Beyond security updates, which aren't a strong point for any mobile OS worth talking about, yearly updates add little value to a device, and most of the value added was something that had an app or a tweak for, and said app/tweak worked better.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't run any phone with a major version of the OS that wasn't the version it came with. Then again, I also won't waste money on one of the worlds more expensive paper weights.

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Again, you say it like it's magically a bad thing.

 

Beyond security updates, which aren't a strong point for any mobile OS worth talking about, yearly updates add little value to a device, and most of the value added was something that had an app or a tweak for, and said app/tweak worked better.

 

Honestly, I wouldn't run any phone with a major version of the OS that wasn't the version it came with. Then again, I also won't waste money on one of the worlds more expensive paper weights.

It is a bad thing. Taking a really long time for your phone to finally get an official update feom

the manufacture is a pain in the ass, and that's the only way that you can get security updates/the major OS upgrade. Upgrading from marshmellow to nougat is pretty large IMO, and same with going from lollipop to marshmellow. 

 

is is there a magical android app that makes standby and battery much better? Pretty sure Nougat did that on most devices (have an iPhone; don't really follow android stuff but only know the 'major' stuff)

 

i am pretty sure most people would love to have their android phone on the latest version of android, without any bullshit (everything works, no major lag, nothing is broke, etc)

youre the first person (aside jailbreakers) on iOS that want an intentionally low version of android compared to what you can get via a manufacturer issued update 

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Just now, themctipers said:

It is a bad thing. Taking a really long time for your phone to finally get an official update feom

the manufacture is a pain in the ass, and that's the only way that you can get security updates/the major OS upgrade

A) Security updates on Android are independent of major OS "upgrades"

B) Again, running a lower feature level is far from a bad thing if you still get security updates. Microsoft has an entire enterprise lineup that is exactly that.

1 minute ago, themctipers said:

Upgrading from marshmellow to nougat is pretty large IMO, and same with going from lollipop to marshmellow. 

No, it's not. They'd be very minor updates if Google wasn't doing the same stupid 'yearly' update mantra, because of how little they actually add.

 

3 minutes ago, themctipers said:

is is there a magical android app that makes standby and battery much better? Pretty sure Nougat did that on most devices

Oh, you mean power saver/battery saver, which has only been implemented since Kitkat and to this day, OEMs still do better.

 

6 minutes ago, themctipers said:

i am pretty sure most people would love to have their android phone on the latest version of android, without any bullshit

You'd be wrong. Most people just want it to work, and many aren't that happy with unnecessary updates forced upon them.

4 minutes ago, themctipers said:

youre the first person (aside jailbreakers) on iOS that want an intentionally low version of android compared to what you can get via a manufacturer issued update 

Probably because I don't oogle version numbers, gimmicks, or basic features that I had available as an app, that worked better as an app.

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Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

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13 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

- I also won't waste money on one of the worlds more expensive paper weights.

I wouldn't go there.

Here's the "Basket of Flowers," a glass paperweight:

 

fbasket.jpg

 

It sold for $258,000 in 1990, about $500,000 today.

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Just now, Dash Lambda said:

I wouldn't go there.

Here's the "Basket of Flowers," a glass paperweight:

 

fbasket.jpg

 

It sold for $258,000 in 1990, about $500,000 today.

You found one of the few paper weights more expensive. Congrat's. Here's a website that speciallizes in them

https://www.apple.com

 

Kappa. OSX is adequate for some things.

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The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You found one of the few paper weights more expensive. Congrats.

Uh...

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7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

A) Security updates on Android are independent of major OS "upgrades"

B) Again, running a lower feature level is far from a bad thing if you still get security updates. Microsoft has an entire enterprise lineup that is exactly that.

No, it's not. They'd be very minor updates if Google wasn't doing the same stupid 'yearly' update mantra, because of how little they actually add.

 

Oh, you mean power saver/battery saver, which has only been implemented since Kitkat and to this day, OEMs still do better.

 

You'd be wrong. Most people just want it to work, and many aren't that happy with unnecessary updates forced upon them.

Probably because I don't oogle version numbers, gimmicks, or basic features that I had available as an app, that worked better as an app.

I'm pretty sure security updates are issued in .1 updates with android, like iOS. Like, 7.0.3?

 

im pretty sure one of those updates introduced material design all over, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ don't keep up with it, on iOS it's pretty 'large'

 

i mean standby. When your phone isn't being used and display is off. I think nougat made it so that it went back to kitkat level standby. I remember it being absolute shit on a note 5 for me

 

id be happy if my phone got an update and isn't being neglected by the maker. Google updates I'd hope doesn't do the bulllshit manufac- wait they skin it. On iOS you can say that last statement as true. 

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