Ryzen 5 1600x vs Intel i5 7600k for gaming?

[Psych Reaper]

I'm currently looking to upgrade my gaming pc. It's a dinosaur with an AMD phenom ii 925 cpu, gtx 460 graphics card, and some old ass mobo. 

 

Well, I want to focus on the mobo and cpu first of all, and I'll probably get a gtx 1060 or something along the lines of that later down the road. But the problem I'm having is choosing between the Ryzen 5 1600x, and the Intel i5 7600k. I've been doing research for the past 3 days on these two cpus, and I'm getting mixed information on benchmark results and preferences on either one. 

 

A lot of the benchmarks say that the i5 is superior for gaming, but the multi-threading of the ryzen is just insane, but people also claim that games don't even use more than 4 cores, so the extra cores on the ryzen are useless. If this is true, then why would anyone even consider the ryzen over the intel? For gaming purposes at least. 

 

Another problem I'm having is deciding what kind of mobo I should be looking at, if I'm going to go into a ryzen build. I don't know much about mobo's or what to look for besides the number of ports, and the compatibility with your cpu.

 

All in all, I think people are extremely hyped over the ryzen, but I'm torn between the two, and to be honest, I'm tired of trying to decide between them. I just need someone to tell me which one would be a solid upgrade that'll allow me to continue playing newer games at a decent graphical setting. Specifically MMOs.  

 

Any information would be extremely welcomed, and appreciated. 

 

Edit - Oh, and also RAM was a big thing too. I eventually want to replace the whole system, besides the case. I just want to focus on the mobo and cpu first before getting into everything else! Thank you!

[Ordinarily_Greater]

i5 is already out of the ring, so go for Ryzen 5 1600.

go for the X if you have a cooler already

[Himommies]

Save up a little bit more for the 1700.Trust me it's worth it

[THE ABSURD BIRD]

Are you going to just be gaming or also streaming and editing?

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, Psych Reaper said:

If this is true, then why would anyone even consider the ryzen over the intel? For gaming purposes at least. 

Ryzen is cheaper 

 

5 minutes ago, Psych Reaper said:

deciding what kind of mobo I should be looking at

B350 is what you want so you can overclock 

 

5 minutes ago, Psych Reaper said:

I'll probably get a gtx 1060 or something along the lines of that later down the road.

get an RX 580, better value and more VRAM in all configs 

 

If the machine is only ever going to game, then intel is fine, but it you are going to be doing anything else and going to be gaming, Ryzen is the better value. 

[Himommies]

Just now, Ordinarily_Greater said:

i5 is already out of the ring, so go for Ryzen 5 1600.

go for the X if you have a cooler already

Never go for the X

[Enderman]

If you play triple A games and other intensive stuff, those games can use over 4 cores so the hyperthreading usually helps more than the core performance.

If you play a lot of smaller games or indie games, the i5 will get much better performance.

Also, if you multitask or record/stream then the Ryzen CPU will be a better choice.

[THE ABSURD BIRD]

7600k is much better for gaming because of its 9% higher IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and higher clock speed than the 1600x both come with no cooler 

2 minutes ago, Himommies said:

Never go for the X

why?

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Enderman said:

If you play a lot of smaller games or indie games, the i5 will get much better performance.

well Indie games probably won't care, most anything can run them. 

[Psych Reaper]

2 minutes ago, THE ABSURD BIRD said:

Are you going to just be gaming or also streaming and editing?

Most likely just to game. 

[Brooksie359]

Unless you are using a high end GPU you won't know the difference between the two. I would say definitely get the r5 1600 as its cheaper and would run better in a MMO than a i5 anyways. With dx 12 you will definitely want the r5 over the i5. 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

3 minutes ago, Himommies said:

Never go for the X

But why not if you have a cooler already and have some money from the restaurant after getting some changes?

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

well Indie games probably won't care, most anything can run them. 

No, they do, since they often use 4 cores or less, single core performance gives them a nice fps boost.

[sarfraz]

5 minutes ago, Psych Reaper said:

I'm currently looking to upgrade my gaming pc. It's a dinosaur with an AMD phenom ii 925 cpu, gtx 460 graphics card, and some old ass mobo. 

 

Well, I want to focus on the mobo and cpu first of all, and I'll probably get a gtx 1060 or something along the lines of that later down the road. But the problem I'm having is choosing between the Ryzen 5 1600x, and the Intel i5 7600k. I've been doing research for the past 3 days on these two cpus, and I'm getting mixed information on benchmark results and preferences on either one. 

 

A lot of the benchmarks say that the i5 is superior for gaming, but the multi-threading of the ryzen is just insane, but people also claim that games don't even use more than 4 cores, so the extra cores on the ryzen are useless. If this is true, then why would anyone even consider the ryzen over the intel? For gaming purposes at least. 

 

Another problem I'm having is deciding what kind of mobo I should be looking at, if I'm going to go into a ryzen build. I don't know much about mobo's or what to look for besides the number of ports, and the compatibility with your cpu.

 

All in all, I think people are extremely hyped over the ryzen, but I'm torn between the two, and to be honest, I'm tired of trying to decide between them. I just need someone to tell me which one would be a solid upgrade that'll allow me to continue playing newer games at a decent graphical setting. Specifically MMOs.  

 

Any information would be extremely welcomed, and appreciated. 

 

Edit - Oh, and also RAM was a big thing too. I eventually want to replace the whole system, besides the case. I just want to focus on the mobo and cpu first before getting into everything else! Thank you!

Let me tell you the truth. I have i5 6600K and a gtx 1060. But when I upgraded to Ryzen 1700X, the fps in most of the games were less. Here is the article: http://www.xtremegaminerd.com/ryzen-1700x-benchmarks/

 

As you can see in CSGO, I was getting 50 fps less, but after a month, don't know what update struck my PC or was it because of some issue, I am getting exactly the same amount of fps as with i5 6600K which is similar to 7600K. So, go with Ryzen 1600 as it's performance is the same as 1700X in gaming. And one more thing, when I switched from i5 to Ryzen, the multi-tasking is something which is insane, when you switch between games and other applications, it never gets hanged. Even with full load on CPU, you can still open several applications at once. Don't know why there should be any excuse not to buy Ryzen. With 6 cores and 12 threads, 1600 will dominate i5 7600K. 

[ARikozuM]

They perform similarly in games, but the 1600 (not the X) is the better choice as far as available CPU resources.

Just be aware that there are rank issues meaning you'll have to use only two sticks if you want a chance at using fast 3200MHz RAM. AGESA micro-code might have fixed this, but there are mixed reports so far.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

No, they do, since they often use 4 cores or less, single core performance gives them a nice fps boost.

yeah but even a Ryzen CPU could provide well over the refresh rate of most monitors. 

 

dual cores an iGPUs are enough for most Indie games. 

[Psych Reaper]

3 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

They perform similarly in games, but the 1600 (not the X) is the better choice as far as available CPU resources.

Just be aware that there are rank issues meaning you'll have to use only two sticks if you want a chance at using fast 3200MHz RAM. AGESA micro-code might have fixed this, but there are mixed reports so far.

I'm looking at about maybe 16 gb of ram at most. I'm not going to be doing much besides playing games, and maybe having a bunch of tabs opened up on chrome in the background. Why not get the X version though? Isn't it a better card all around?

[DocSwag]

No one is giving you legitimate reasons so here I come.

 

First off, don't get the 1600x, get the 1600. It comes with a decent stock cooler that can do some OCing and OCes just as well as a 1600x.

 

The reason I usually suggest Ryzen 5 to people rather than i5 CPUs is because of minimums. While i5s do still win when it comes to averages, Ryzen almost always has better minimums, which imo matters more. Would you rather have a consistent experience or one that is sometimes I great and sometimes not?

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

Hence why nowadays I never recommend i5s for gaming.

9 minutes ago, Himommies said:

Save up a little bit more for the 1700.Trust me it's worth it

1700 doesn't improve gaming performance at all compared to a 1600, I don't know why you're recommending it.

[Himommies]

4 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

But why not if you have a cooler already and have some money from the restaurant after getting some changes?

Because you can get the exact same preformance by overclocking the base chip(e.g 1400 and 1600)

[THE ABSURD BIRD]

The i5 is better for gaming due to 9% higher IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and higher clock speed. Pair it with a z270 board and overclock it to 4.5 GHz

 

cooler suggestions : $90 Noctua dh15

$80 Noctua d15s same as above but with one fan for superior ram compatiblity

$70 uh14s

$70 Raijintek tisis

$46 cryorig h5 ultra

$28 Artic freezer i32 

All of these are excellent coolers ranked in order from priciest (best) to cheapest (worst) these are all excellent perofrmers better than the hyper 212 evo but the h5 ultra along with the i32 are great values

for liquid cooling go with cryorig a80 but air cooling is cheaper and almost as effective, however is the best cooler that isn't custom so if you have the budget I highly reommend it

I read an overclocking guide on intel chips for this information

[Himommies]

Just now, DocSwag said:

No one is giving you legitimate reasons so here I come.

 

First off, don't get the 1600x, get the 1600. It comes with a decent stock cooler that can do some OCing and OCes just as well as a 1600x.

 

The reason I usually suggest Ryzen 5 to people rather than i5 CPUs is because of minimums. While i5s do still win when it comes to averages, Ryzen almost always has better minimums, which imo matters more. Would you rather have a consistent experience or one that is sometimes I great and sometimes not?

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2875-amd-r5-1600x-1500x-review-fading-i5-argument/page-4

 

Hence why nowadays I never recommend i5s for gaming.

1700 doesn't improve gaming performance at all compared to a 1600, I don't know why you're recommending it.

Imo 70 dollars for a extra 2 cores is worth it

[THE ABSURD BIRD]

8 minutes ago, Psych Reaper said:

Most likely just to game. 

Please look at my other post with recommended coolers at different price points, by the way, can you share your build with me so I can make suggestions?

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Psych Reaper said:

I'm looking at about maybe 16 gb of ram at most. I'm not going to be doing much besides playing games, and maybe having a bunch of tabs opened up on chrome in the background.

You can only get the top speeds of RAM when using 2x8GB sticks. And, if you're only gaming, you shouldn't require more than 16GB except for exceptions.

Just now, Psych Reaper said:

Why not get the X version though?  Isn't it a better card all around?

It's AMD's version of Turbo Boost. It's not worth it according to everyone on the forum.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

Because you can get the exact same preformance by overclocking the base chip(e.g 1400 and 1600)

That is right! But i am still going to the 1700X if i make a whole new system later on

2 minutes ago, THE ABSURD BIRD said:

The i5 is better for gaming due to 9% higher IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and higher clock speed. Pair it with a z270 board and overclock it to 4.5 GHz

 

cooler suggestions : $90 Noctua dh15

$80 Noctua d15s same as above but with one fan for superior ram compatiblity

$70 uh14s

$70 Raijintek tisis

$46 cryorig h5 ultra

$28 Artic freezer i32 

All of these are excellent coolers ranked in order from priciest (best) to cheapest (worst) these are all excellent perofrmers better than the hyper 212 evo but the h5 ultra along with the i32 are great values

for liquid cooling go with cryorig a80 but air cooling is cheaper and almost as effective, however is the best cooler that isn't custom so if you have the budget I highly reommend it

I read an overclocking guide on intel chips for this information

The picture to make your statement perfect

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

Because you can get the exact same preformance by overclocking the base chip(e.g 1400 and 1600)

1400 vs 1500x isn't the same as the 1500x comes with a better stock cooler and more cache.

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

Imo 70 dollars for a extra 2 cores is worth it

But why?!?

 

Who cares if those two cores aren't useful?

 

It's like telling a gamer to get 64gb ram instead of 32 because it costs 70% more, even though they're NEVER GOING TO USE that extra ram.

 

If anything, that money would much better be spent on a 7700k or bigger ssd rather than extra cores that won't even impact gaming performance.

 

You're basically telling op to spend more on a CPU that gives no performance gain because it has better multi threaded performance, even though that doesn't necessarily even matter to op.