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So the mobile 1070 is slightly slower to the Max-Q 1080?

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1 minute ago, lilbman said:

So the mobile 1070 is slightly slower to the Max-Q 1080?

Some 1070N cards are slower, some are faster. But even those that are slower are only 6% behind on average and likely much, much cheaper.

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1 minute ago, Amaranth said:

Some 1070N cards are slower, some are faster. But even those that are slower are only 6% behind on average and likely much, much cheaper.

Interesting...so the Max-Q chips are basically lower clocked versions of the non Max-Q chips?

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Just now, lilbman said:

Interesting...so the Max-Q chips are basically lower clocked versions of the non Max-Q chips?

Yes, they're basically factory underclocked versions of the full cards with custom fan curves.

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58 minutes ago, lilbman said:

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Yes. I've been saying that since day 1. 

 

Only time they'll get value is when u have no budget and fuck you money and you want something like the Aorus X5 Md. 

 

Also overclocked 1070 mobiles are way faster than 1080 Max Q. 

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5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Yes. I've been saying that since day 1. 

 

That Max-Q chips are slower than normal mobile 1070s?

 

5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Only time they'll get value is when u have no budget and fuck you money and you want something like the Aorus X5 Md. 

 

Its pointless really.  The Aorus X5 MD doesn't look too bad.  Honestly the body looks like a slimmed down Alienware 15 except without the RGB.

 

8 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Also overclocked 1070 mobiles are way faster than 1080 Max Q. 

I believe it.  Hey, speaking of overclocking, how much do you think I'll be able to overclock my laptops 1060? 

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Bruh where's my tag?

 

But yeah Razer was ahead of its time...

 
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53 minutes ago, Galm said:

Bruh where's my tag?

 

I was on my phone ): i wanted to tag more people but tapatalk is so stupid it freaks out all the time. 

 

But Razer pioneered this BS for sure.

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5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

I was on my phone ): i wanted to tag more people but tapatalk is so stupid it freaks out all the time. 

 

But Razer pioneered this BS for sure.

Why the heck are you using Crapatalk over the normal site? The mobile site is solid as hell

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6 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

Why the heck are you using Crapatalk over the normal site? The mobile site is solid as hell

That's a good question...LOL. I use it for NBR. So I just have LTT on it as well. 

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Yeah, if they actually applied lower voltage curves and pushed for more actual efficiency for the clockspeeds and kept TDP allowance higher, a 1070N with the 115W TDP lock (that it already has) would surpass the 1080N at 110W. It'd be cooler too, more than likely, since voltage more than clockspeed seems to help the GPUs remain cool.

 

I would like someone to get a hold of a 1080N Mini-Q in a laptop that has an alternative with a similar cooling system but a non-Mini-Q 1070N, and you use MSI Afterburner's voltage curve lock to reduce voltage to 0.925v at max let's say, and then see how the performance matches.

 

Because people are checking STOCK 1070Ns. But those are TDP limited. If ASUS users can lock 1070Ns to about 1750MHz and 0.875v I'm pretty bloody sure we can manage sub-0.95v and 1800MHz+ 1070Ns, and see how they obliterate 1080N Mini-Qs. For less money.

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2 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Yeah, if they actually applied lower voltage curves and pushed for more actual efficiency for the clockspeeds and kept TDP allowance higher, a 1070N with the 115W TDP lock (that it already has) would surpass the 1080N at 110W. It'd be cooler too, more than likely, since voltage more than clockspeed seems to help the GPUs remain cool.

 

I would like someone to get a hold of a 1080N Mini-Q in a laptop that has an alternative with a similar cooling system but a non-Mini-Q 1070N, and you use MSI Afterburner's voltage curve lock to reduce voltage to 0.925v at max let's say, and then see how the performance matches.

 

Because people are checking STOCK 1070Ns. But those are TDP limited. If ASUS users can lock 1070Ns to about 1750MHz and 0.875v I'm pretty bloody sure we can manage sub-0.95v and 1800MHz+ 1070Ns, and see how they obliterate 1080N Mini-Qs. For less money.

if only they had done something special with these min-qs.

we expected binned chips, instead they just went 'undervolt it' 

 

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I totally forgot about this cancer. I don't get the logic behind the people that pay for this shit, they are paying 1080 laptop money for a laptop that a OCed 1070 laptop can beat, for me this just sounds like they accept being fucked in the ass by Nvidia and the laptop brand.

As most of you guys know I am all for getting what you paid for, so this bs where you don't get full performance of a 1080 while paying enough to get a decent 1080 laptop, just to make a super thin laptop, is very much against what I stand for. I do not like this trend at all.

 

Also am I the only one that thinks basically anything below 20mm is too thin no matter what? I always think laptops below 20mm feel like they are very fragile and can be broken without any effort. Plus you give up things to get them under 20mm.

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5 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

I totally forgot about this cancer. I don't get the logic behind the people that pay for this shit, they are paying 1080 laptop money for a laptop that a OCed stock 1070 laptop can beat

Fixed your statement for you.

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2 hours ago, D2ultima said:

Fixed your statement for you.

thank you :D 

 

1 hour ago, Sierra Fox said:

because people are stupid and see "GTX 1080" and do no further research into what "max-q" means.

"1080 means 1080 performance, it must. manufactures wouldn't lie to me"

I guess it is a good way of milking the stupid, they get to spend less money on the cooling, while charging as much as a laptop with a full 1080 with good cooling if not more. I bet they make a decent amount more on every max-q laptop they sell compared to normal gaming laptops.

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I'm sure I will get flamed to hell but is it really that far fetched for someone to pay a premium for a desktop class 1070 in an ultra book? I mean it is new and there really is no other way, it's a niche market. I wouldn't say that stupid plebs are the only people that are going to go for this kind of product. Isn't it a better option then being throttled by cpu and thunderbolt 3 then spending as much or more on a razer blade stealth and a razer core with a 1080? Can't people just say hey it's the best gaming you will get in an ultra book size? So many angry people at it being called a 1080 but really what defines a gpu more then core processors? I think everyone that buys it will understand they are sacrificing performance for size but there really is nothing to compete with the size and performance.  Also does no one else think these have the possibility of getting some half decent over clock for the consumers that want an ultra book but don't really care about the fan noise? I've already read some that have over clocked the Zephyrus to come within 10% of a desktop founders addition with only 5C increase temp but all anyone can seem to focus on is how an oc 1070 laptop that is twice the size can beat it stock

 

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9 hours ago, DD07 said:

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I mean, ur type of consumer attitude is how companies like Razer make shit loads of money. 

 

Performance? Fuck it. 

Sleek and sexy, more please. 

 

If you read anything in this thread and links we discuss various other ways to lower temps and fan noise without fucking over performance. A 1070 with lower voltage curves and Oc could easily beat the 1080 Max Q and retain the same acoustic and temp performance without costing the extra 1000 dollars. 

 

And no people buying 1080 Mac q will expect 1080 performance because most consumers are dumb. They buy Razer Blade pro. And that shit is the unofficial 1080 Max Q. Max Q is a win win for corporate. Shields them from legal liability in advertising 1080 and also grounds to charge a fuck load more. 

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On 8/6/2017 at 5:45 AM, Pendragon said:

I mean, ur type of consumer attitude is how companies like Razer make shit loads of money. 

 

Performance? Fuck it. 

Sleek and sexy, more please. 

 

If you read anything in this thread and links we discuss various other ways to lower temps and fan noise without fucking over performance. A 1070 with lower voltage curves and Oc could easily beat the 1080 Max Q and retain the same acoustic and temp performance without costing the extra 1000 dollars. 

 

And no people buying 1080 Mac q will expect 1080 performance because most consumers are dumb. They buy Razer Blade pro. And that shit is the unofficial 1080 Max Q. Max Q is a win win for corporate. Shields them from legal liability in advertising 1080 and also grounds to charge a fuck load more. 

Sorry for bumping the thread but I really felt the need to reply to you.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Just about everything you said is true and on point. Most consumers are indeed dumb. It's great that I can get a 1080 performance laptop with Max-Q noise and temperatures but, what if I care a lot about weight/thickness of the laptop? I happen to spend most of my laptop gaming time while laying on my bed with my laptop on my legs. I just find it comfortable, to each their own. My point is, in this situation I would like my laptop to be as lightweight as possible and not burn my legs off. I'm sure this scenario is for a very small minority. If I had the money (currently have other priorities), I would consider Max-Q laptops just for that reason. I'm not a generic "dumb consumer", and I wouldn't even be on this thread if I didn't do my research. My point is, painting everyone with the same brush isn't fair either, that's all.

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On 10/5/2017 at 6:19 PM, SuppaTenshi said:

but, what if I care a lot about weight/thickness of the laptop?

The point was that thin and light 1070 laptops exist. With proper tuning they are just better 1080 max q laptops at 1000 dollars less. Something like the Aorus X5 X7 series. 

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You can even TDP mod a 1070N (requires a HW programmer)

to bring it within 10% of a 1080N, but you have to make sure your laptop can handle the total power draw without throttling the CPU hard.

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That's why I prefer non-Max Q versions of the GPU. I plan to get Acer Predator Helios 300 over the new Dell 7577 cuz of the non Max-Q version of the GTX 1060 (even though it would not have ThunderBolt 3)

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