lazy intel

[gameboy3800]

so lemme get this straight... skylake-x is a lower performing, hotter running, more crippled version of broadwell-e? in which case broadwell-e was just an even more expensive, poorer overclocking haswell-e? which even so was only marginally better than ivy bridge-e? which was just a refresh of sandy bridge-e? and all the while making each new platform more expensive than the last? the hell has intel been doing with their 'high end' systems for the past 6 years? they been stackin their xeons with cores ever since sandy bridge era, so why stop upgrading their HEDTs for so long only to suddenly play catchup with the slightest hint of another product in the market? answer to all above questions: intel is a greedy corporation that needs to be brought back to reality. thank you amd.

[Zando_]

Everyone is gonna freak out and tell you this should have been a status update. But you don't have a bunch of followers, so it's not a problem. 

 

On topic: I don't think Intel is necessarily trying to cheat people, but they certainly aren't innovating as much as they could. 

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

On topic: I don't think Intel is necessarily trying to cheat people, but they certainly aren't innovating as much as they could. 

Markets without competition aren't driven to innovate their products.

 

Also, yes, this should have been a status update.

[Zando_]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Markets without competition aren't driven to innovate their products.

Yup. Thus: 

9 minutes ago, gameboy3800 said:

thank you amd.

 

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Also, yes, this should have been a status update.

[Daniel644]

"More Expensive then the last"

the 10 core 20 thread chip is 700 DOLLARS CHEAPER THEN THE LAST GENERATION and is FASTER out of the box and over clocks to a higher clock speed on average then the past generation plus the IPC.

 

we get it, you don't like the new generation, doesn't mean you need to make a post trying to dog on it, if you want to call a company LAZY, how about calling AMD LAZY, it took them 5 YEARS to release a new CPU.

[gameboy3800]

26 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

"More Expensive then the last"

the 10 core 20 thread chip is 700 DOLLARS CHEAPER THEN THE LAST GENERATION and is FASTER out of the box and over clocks to a higher clock speed on average then the past generation plus the IPC.

 

we get it, you don't like the new generation, doesn't mean you need to make a post trying to dog on it, if you want to call a company LAZY, how about calling AMD LAZY, it took them 5 YEARS to release a new CPU.

it's in relation to haswell-e, not broadwell-e. did you even read the entire thing?

[Ordinarily_Greater]

At least they are not lazy enough to cut iGPU from Kabylake chips to make it X

[Guest lilbman]

41 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

how about calling AMD LAZY, it took them 5 YEARS to release a new CPU.

I'd rather see AMD release something as awesome as Ryzen every five years than them pumping out a revised FX series every year or two.  

[jjohnthedon1]

45 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

"More Expensive then the last"

the 10 core 20 thread chip is 700 DOLLARS CHEAPER THEN THE LAST GENERATION and is FASTER out of the box and over clocks to a higher clock speed on average then the past generation plus the IPC.

 

we get it, you don't like the new generation, doesn't mean you need to make a post trying to dog on it, if you want to call a company LAZY, how about calling AMD LAZY, it took them 5 YEARS to release a new CPU.

Only because intel fucked them over 

google why amd didn't release anything 

[Daniel644]

51 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

At least they are not lazy enough to cut iGPU from Kabylake chips to make it X

yeah, because they don't even HAVE an iGPU to start with, solid argument there.

 

44 minutes ago, lilbman said:

I'd rather see AMD release something as awesome as Ryzen every five years than them pumping out a revised FX series every year or two.  

NO ONE wants to see revised FX chips, not even AMD, AMD themselves knew it was such garbage they just moved on to a whole new architecture and didn't release anything new till then.

 

1 hour ago, gameboy3800 said:

so lemme get this straight... skylake-x is a lower performing, hotter running, more crippled version of broadwell-e? in which case broadwell-e was just an even more expensive, poorer overclocking haswell-e? which even so was only marginally better than ivy bridge-e? which was just a refresh of sandy bridge-e? and all the while making each new platform more expensive than the last? the hell has intel been doing with their 'high end' systems for the past 6 years? they been stackin their xeons with cores ever since sandy bridge era, so why stop upgrading their HEDTs for so long only to suddenly play catchup with the slightest hint of another product in the market? answer to all above questions: intel is a greedy corporation that needs to be brought back to reality. thank you amd.

 

1 hour ago, gameboy3800 said:

it's in relation to haswell-e, not broadwell-e. did you even read the entire thing?

simple answer is they never NEEDED to, AMD had nothing even remotely close to as powerful as the ENTRY LEVEL HEDT chips for 5 years, why would Intel screw themselves out of profits all those years? do you think ANY company does anything to benefit the consumer that doesn't benefit there pocket books more? if people wanted more cores nothing stopped them from buying Xeons.

[AnonymousGuy]

I see OP couldn't even bother to capitalize letters and concluded he was retarded troll after reading the first sentence.

 

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skylake-x is a lower performing

lol u wot mate?!

[gameboy3800]

8 hours ago, Daniel644 said:

"More Expensive then the last"

the 10 core 20 thread chip is 700 DOLLARS CHEAPER THEN THE LAST GENERATION and is FASTER out of the box and over clocks to a higher clock speed on average then the past generation plus the IPC.

 

we get it, you don't like the new generation, doesn't mean you need to make a post trying to dog on it, if you want to call a company LAZY, how about calling AMD LAZY, it took them 5 YEARS to release a new CPU.

do not even think about saying amd is lazy. amd didn't release anything because they were making a brand new architecture from the ground up. that takes a ton of R&D and money to do. they saw that their fx chips werent cutting it, so they decided to start anew. intel should now do the same, as their 'tick tock' bs will no longer work in todays environment. 

[gameboy3800]

5 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I see OP couldn't even bother to capitalize letters and concluded he was retarded troll after reading the first sentence.

 

lol u wot mate?!

this was originally a youtube comment i made on one of adoredtv's videos. i just copy pasted it here for lols. 

 

have you even seen literally any reviews? clock per clock the new series is worse in almost every way from last gen, somehow have even worse thermal paste under the die to have constant overheating issues, and suck up power like its nothing.

 

boi watch these: /watch?v=3VV_It9kdrs             /watch?v=FKfP8TEKqQU

[gameboy3800]

i now dub skylake x : 'boiling lake'. perfectly fitting. although 'skylake eggs' is also very good.

[UkraineGame]

Skylake X is a load of horse shit.

 

It's hardly an improvement.

The motherboards are a mess.

 

It's an unstable system.

 

Horrible temps.

 

Overpriced, as usual.

 

Not soldered..

 

I'd just wait for AMD Ryzen Pro. The one with more stable silicon. That'll be worthwhile. 

[UkraineGame]

6 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I see OP couldn't even bother to capitalize letters and concluded he was retarded troll after reading the first sentence.

 

lol u wot mate?!

Great reasoning..

He didn't capitalize a few words.

 

Must mean he's retarded, right?

 

Right?

 

 

[Daniel644]

12 minutes ago, gameboy3800 said:

do not even think about saying amd is lazy. amd didn't release anything because they were making a brand new architecture from the ground up. that takes a ton of R&D and money to do. they saw that their fx chips werent cutting it, so they decided to start anew. intel should now do the same, as their 'tick tock' bs will no longer work in todays environment. 

Intel does a new Architecture every 3 Years and a Process Shrink (14 down to 10nm will be next) every 3 years (offset so new process shrink occurs during last generation of old architecture), All the while releasing a new generation of slightly faster chips each year, HOW is that much R&D and MANUFACTURING being "Lazy"? AMD took 5 YEARS to come up with a new process node and architecture to make up for what was already 3 years behind Intel in IPC when it launched Bulldozer (despite being on the same 32nm process node used at the time), STOP fooling yourself, just because AMD FINALLY came out swinging with some GREAT price to Performance chips doesn't make Intel "lazy". Look at it this way, in the time span of FX to Ryzen Intel did 2 Process Shrinks (with a third 1 coming soon, less then a year after Ryzens launch), 3 Architectures and 5 generations (and a refresh) of chips, now I ask, WHO is the "lazy" one?

[gameboy3800]

the only real change was slight clock speed bumps and bits and pieces of ipc gain each time. even now they've been stuck on 14nm for way too long (ever since broadwell). that's basically no r&d because each time they build upon what made the last gen work and try improve, which other than the guaranteed improvements of power efficiency and lower tdp's that come by default with a node shrink. no real work has been put into it. same thing with nvidia. pascal is just a smaller, faster maxwell. if you underclock a 1080 to 980 ti speeds, 980 ti beats it almost every time. nvidia did no r&d on it. they just shrunk the node process. same thing for skylake-x to broadwell-e. if you downclock a 7900x to 6950x speeds, 6950x WILL beat it because it doesn't have a butchered cache system.

 

of course the real reason intel puts out 'new' generations each time is because they have deeper pockets than the eye can see, and they can afford to make new plants and shrink things down every year or two because they have the big bucks. you could blame amd in part for not having at least SOMETHING to bring to the table, even if it would be just a horrible 12 core bulldozer chip. but for amd to come up this far with a fraction of money in the bank that intel does is truly outstanding, and is exactly what the market needs. and only now is intel realizing that their old plans will not work at all.

 

also please bring up a valid point as for why the 7640x and 7740x aren't on lga 1151. i'd love to see your reasoning.

[Daniel644]

3 minutes ago, gameboy3800 said:

and for true laziness, please bring up a point as for why the 7640x and 7740x aren't on lga 1151?. i'd love to see your reasoning.

I can't explain that away, those chips totally should have been on 1151, frankly i'm upset with Intel that they wheren't, and frankly Intel's explanation just shows how much of a "cash grab" those 2 CPU's are, calling them a "budget" way for someone to buy into the HEDT platform is fucking stupid, they shouldn't exist, if you are spending the money for an HEDT setup you should have the budget for atleast a 6-core chip, anything less and it makes no sense to even bother.

[gameboy3800]

Just now, Daniel644 said:

I can't explain that away, those chips totally should have been on 1151, frankly i'm upset with Intel that they wheren't, and frankly Intel's explanation just shows how much of a "cash grab" those 2 CPU's are, calling them a "budget" way for someone to buy into the HEDT platform is fucking stupid, they shouldn't exist, if you are spending the money for an HEDT setup you should have the budget for atleast a 6-core chip, anything less and it makes no sense to even bother.

they should've released a pentium then if that's what they wanted to achieve. like some cheap $100 solution. with overclocking. 

[TahoeDust]

If computing power is your priority, not power consumption, temps, or price, Sky X still pisses all over anything AMD has ever made.  Just sayin'

[gameboy3800]

58 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

If computing power is your priority, not power consumption, temps, or price, Sky X still pisses all over anything AMD has ever made.  Just sayin'

no. if you really need compute, look at their xeon lineup. 

[TahoeDust]

8 minutes ago, gameboy3800 said:

no. if you really need compute, look at their xeon lineup. 

 So, Sky X does not outperform anything AMD makes?

 

I mean, let's be real.  A stock 7820x is still more efficient and faster than max overclocked Ryzen while staying nice and cool.

 

There are a lots of things that intel could have done better, but let's not lose perspective.

[gameboy3800]

6 hours ago, TahoeDust said:

 So, Sky X does not outperform anything AMD makes?

 

I mean, let's be real.  A stock 7820x is still more efficient and faster than max overclocked Ryzen while staying nice and cool.

 

There are a lots of things that intel could have done better, but let's not lose perspective.

for right now, yes intel does have the absolute max power, but you'd be burning your wallet to do so. then there's threadripper coming whenever to make your decision you'd make today look like nothing, and do it for less.

[gameboy3800]

as for the is intel really lazy argument, they've been using a ringbus style architecture ever since their nahelem server chips. only in skylake x does is try to change things up a bit using a mesh topology. it should've been better in every way thanks to the lower latency between cores, but for some reason intel decided to decrease L3 cache by quite a big margin. instead it's more of a victum cache. many workloads work good with a lot of L3, so i have no clue what intel was thinking on that end. probably just completely rushed it as soon as ryzen was announced. that's not laziness. that's bad design.