Russia to ban Telegram

[Denis Rakhmanov]

Due to new Russian law messengers are required to give their encription keys to Russian government so it can spy on its people in search for terrorists. They already passed the law that required ISPs and cell carriers to handle all users communication information to government and now they turned their eyes to encripted messaging.

Telegram refuses to give said keys and will be baned in Russia

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/26/russia-ban-telegram-hand-over-data/

And more than that. Telegram issued official post, saying that they will update its app to work even in blocked country with socks5 proxy.

 

Sorry for bad English, cause i'm Russian.

[ivan134]

Ah, I remember when some intellectuals on this forum said it was a good thing our moron-in-chief was alienating our allies and cozying up to great Russia. It's too bad most of these bastions of intellect are not around anymore to tell us why Russia is great.

[tlink]

hopefully tox.chat can replace it eventually, good luck trying to shut down/get the keys of a decentralized p2p onion-protocol chat.

[SCHISCHKA]

The west will follow. Russia is just more effecient at passing these kind of laws. Im keeping an eye on the UK prime minister, I believe she will set a precedence for the rest of the five eyes countries. Five eyes representatives are currently meeting in Canada to discuss corporate cooperation.

[PlayStation 2]

cnn: trump forces Russia to ban telegram

[Denis Rakhmanov]

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

cnn: trump forces Russia to ban telegram

Russian government started to think banning messaging apps long before Trump became a president. They said that usage of apps is unfair to sms and calls provided by your cell carriers. Even cell carriers at that time said that the idea of banning apps is stupid.

[sof006]

"Insert App Name Here": Our app encrypts your messages, except it doesn't because we unencrypt it for your government to see...

 

"Insert offending government body here": 

[Delicieuxz]

3 hours ago, ivan134 said:

Ah, I remember when some intellectuals on this forum said it was a good thing our moron-in-chief was alienating our allies and cozying up to great Russia. It's too bad most of these bastions of intellect are not around anymore to tell us why Russia is great.

Why would building better relations with Russia be a bad thing because of this? Do you not know that the UK and Australia are trying to put a stop to encryption, and that the "5 eyes" countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK, and the USA are all in talks to do this very thing?

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/leaked-documents-reveal-uk-government-10363472

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/26/australian_govt_promises_to_push_five_eyes_nations_to_break_encryption/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/05/we-want-to-limit-use-of-e2e-encryption-confirms-uk-minister/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/27/could-the-uk-be-about-to-break-end-to-end-encryption/

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1276075/five-eyes-to-demand-access-to-encrypted-data

 

I don't like any of these moves, and I believe they are immoral and contrary to human rights. But the West, perhaps most of all the USA and UK governments, have been leading the charge on these maneuvers for years, and Russia probably only got the idea from the UK having been talking about doing this for so long. And the UK is a veritable police state. Do you have anything to say about how bad an idea it is for the USA to be allies with the UK?

 

The USA government, under Obama, has already been the leader in removing people's privacy, though the USA tries to hide that it's doing it from its public - which makes the USA even worse regarding the matter than Russia. I can only imagine how much indignation you'd express if the Russian government was doing just 1/4 of the things that the USA government does to get citizens' data.

 

 

The FBI Is Apparently Paying Geek Squad Members To Dig Around In Computers For Evidence Of Criminal Activity

U.S. Agencies Said to Swap Data With Thousands of Firms

Project Chess: How U.S. Snoops On Your Skype

Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

Advanced CIA firmware has been infecting Wi-Fi routers for years

Photos of an NSA “upgrade” factory show Cisco router getting implant

#Vault7: 85% of world’s smart phones ‘weaponized’ by CIA

 

 

So, why is it a bad thing for the USA to develop better ties with a nation that isn't half as bad as itself, when it comes to privacy of its citizens? Maybe Denis Rakhmanov should have written in their OP how bad an idea it is for Russia to be willing to cozy up to the USA, considering the USA's terrible record on citizen rights and respecting its own constitution.

[Prysin]

3 hours ago, ivan134 said:

Ah, I remember when some intellectuals on this forum said it was a good thing our moron-in-chief was alienating our allies and cozying up to great Russia. It's too bad most of these bastions of intellect are not around anymore to tell us why Russia is great.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/okeefe-undercover-bombshell-cnn-producer-admits-trump-russia-story-bullsht-video/

 

Such cosy. Very comrade. Wow!. Much Ivan.

[Denis Rakhmanov]

16 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

So, why is it a bad thing for the USA to develop better ties with a nation that isn't half as bad as itself, when it comes to privacy of its citizens? Maybe Denis Rakhmanov should have written in their OP how bad an idea it is for Russia to be willing to cozy up to the USA, considering the USA's terrible record on citizen rights and respecting its own constitution.

Well, I don't live in the US so i cannot compare. But i belive that you cannot be jailed for joking about your president (God forbig to joke about our "Emperor" if you are a Russian citizen).We have a lot of $hit too. Our government passed a lot of laws that can be considered unconstitutional, but no one gives a damn. Couple a month ago there was a massive countrywide protest, but every news outlets were forbidden to report about it.

[Delicieuxz]

19 minutes ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

Well, I don't live in the US so i cannot compare. But i belive that you cannot be jailed for joking about your president (God forbig to joke about our "Emperor" if you are a Russian citizen).We have a lot of $hit too. Our government passed a lot of laws that can be considered unconstitutional, but no one gives a damn. Couple a month ago there was a massive countrywide protest, but every news outlets were forbidden to report about it.

Which protest? RT has reported numerous protests in Russia in the previous few months.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/382342-opposition-protest-russia-police/

https://www.rt.com/news/386560-khodorkovskys-open-russia-protests/

https://www.rt.com/news/387336-moscow-opposition-rally-updates/

https://www.rt.com/news/391920-protests-russia-day-rally/

https://www.rt.com/news/391983-russia-day-protests-detainments/

[Denis Rakhmanov]

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Which protest? RT has reported numerous protests in Russia in the previous few months.

If i said that news outlets didn't report it (at least Russian outlets) then they didn't report it. It happened in March, a week before St. Petersburg terror act. Many people started to believe that this attack was managed by our government for people to forget and stop talking about that protest.

[Delicieuxz]

19 minutes ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

If i said that news outlets didn't report it (at least Russian outlets) then they didn't report it. It happened in March, a week before St. Petersburg terror act. Many people started to believe that this attack was managed by our government for people to forget and stop talking about that protest.

Well, I don't know about other Russia news sites, but at least some reported the March 26 protest, one week before the St Petersburg attack:

 

https://www.rt.com/news/382342-opposition-protest-russia-police/

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russias-nationwide-anti-corruption-protests-in-videos-57547

http://rusmonitor.com/krupnejjshaya-obshhenacionalna-akciya-protesta-idet-po-strane-khronika-obnovlyaetsya.html

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201703261051978174-russia-navalny-protest-detention/

 

 

[Denis Rakhmanov]

11 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Well, I don't know about other Russia news sites, but at least some reported the March 26 protest, one week before the St Petersburg attack:

 Sorry if it looks like i misinformed you. I didn't specify: official news sources, like TV, Newspapers and Radio were forbidden to report it. Of cource bloggers and "underground news" sites were publishing about it.

[DildorTheDecent]

4 hours ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

search for terrorists.

Can't be many of them left surely

[Delicieuxz]

1 hour ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

 Sorry if it looks like i misinformed you. I didn't specify: official news sources, like TV, Newspapers and Radio were forbidden to report it. Of cource bloggers and "underground news" sites were publishing about it.

The links I gave are all professional sources, and two of them are state-sponsored news outlets. I understand that Russian news doesn't post these things to the same extent that they're covered in the USA. But it's also the same situation in reverse: The USA doesn't post any of the worst dirt on itself, with much of what is reported by RT and other international news sites about the USA never getting mentioned by news outlets in the USA. And many major news outlets in the USA, like CNN, Fox News, Washington Post, New York Times, The Economist are aligned with political parties, and they don't report the crap on their own political parties, though they heap on attack news against their rival political parties.

 

Here's a very recent example:

 

Famed investigative reporter Seymour Hersh wrote an article following his discovery that Trump's national security team advised him there was no evidence that Assad had used sarin gas in Idlib in April, but Trump didn't care and fired Tomahawk missiles on Syria, anyway:

 

https://thebrokenelbow.com/2017/06/25/seymour-hersh-on-trumps-syrian-missile-attack/

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html

 

And since the illegal USA attack on Syria in April, highly-decorated MIT weapons expert (including in the fields of chemical weapons, and weapons deployment systems), government adviser, and distinguished contributor to the anti ballistic-missile defense system's design Theodore Postol has debunked the claim that Assad used chemical weapons in a series of analyses:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_Vs2rjE9TdwR2F3NFFVWDExMnc/view

http://www.unz.com/article/the-nerve-agent-attack-that-did-not-occur/

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/video-evidence-false-claims-made-white-house-intelligence-report-april-11-2017.html

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/addendum-dr-theodore-postols-assessment-white-house-report-syria-chemical-attack.html

 

So, renowned investigative journalist Seymour Hersh wrote an article showing that Trump and the USA intelligence agencies knew at the time of Trump's Tomahawk missile attack on Syria in April that Assad had not used any chemical weapons... and yet he ordered there to be an attack, anyways. But no USA mainstream news media outlet was willing to publish Seymour Hersh's article, because it invalidated all the hype they've been pushing about Assad using chemical weapons, drumming up support for USA intervention in Syria, and also their demonization efforts of Russia for being allied with Syria. Because Hersh was unable to get his article published by USA news media, he had his article published in German magazine Die Welt, instead.

 

USA MSM has also barely ushered a peep about Theodore Postol's in-depth analyses that debunk the 'Assad used chemical weapons' claim. Instead, USA MSM just keep mentioning the idea, to trick viewers into having the impression that there actually was a chemical attack, and therefore Assad must be a bad guy and the USA needs to be in Syria to do something about it.

 

 

And as the link Prysin posted above also shows, USA MSM regularly reports and hypes false stories as news while fully knowing that it's reporting and hyping false stories. In fact, doing so is their very business.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/okeefe-undercover-bombshell-cnn-producer-admits-trump-russia-story-bullsht-video/

 

 

And USA MSM doesn't report all the many times that protesters are arrested while protesting in front of the White House.

 

http://wtop.com/local/2017/06/20_arrested_immigration_protest_white_house/slide/1/

https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2017/05/16/self-advocates-white-house/23708/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/greenpeace-resist-banner-protest-trump.html

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/25/12-arrested-white-house-resistance-protests-trumps-budget.html

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/3/24/headlines/police_arrest_24_at_healthcare_protest_outside_white_house

 

And those are just a small number of very recent incidents. Groups of people are constantly being arrested while protesting near the White House - but USA MSM rarely ever mentions any of them.

 

 

And another huge instance of USA MSM not reporting dirt on the USA is this: The entire time that USA MSM was hyping up how horrible Russia's Aleppo operation was, with USA MSM continually showing footage of destroyed buildings, and talking about civilian deaths, and everything else... during the same time, the USA's own campaign for Mosul, Iraq was causing more than double the average weekly civilians as Russia's Aleppo campaign... and yet, no MSM media in the USA would even mention Mosul, Iraq. Their entire Aleppo, Syria coverage was a distraction and diversion and hostile propaganda campaign to mislead the USA populace in giving them a false impression of Russia being bad compared to the USA, when the USA was, at the very same time, causing more than double the carnage and civilian slaughter in Mosul, Iraq. And the campaign for Mosul, Iraq has gone on many, many times longer than the campaign for Aleppo, Syria, and to this day, no USA MSM will acknowledge or report on these facts.

 

 

 

So, everything the USA accuses others of doing, it does, itself - and usually to greater extent than anyone it accuses of doing the same things. The accusations and the news media hype in the USA are how it propagandizes to its public, and to the public around the world. So long as the USA keeps accusing others, and getting people to believe the accusations, people are less likely to focus on the same things in the USA.

[TidaLWaveZ]

Come on guys, we all know Trump is 100% to blame for any problem that arises on planet earth and his opposition would have brought us complete and utter utopia immediately upon being sworn in.

 

[Misanthrope]

I see, Mr. Putin think's he's so clever.

 

No matter, Dmitrii! Release the messenger pigeons!

 

*evil laugh*

[TidaLWaveZ]

17 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

snip

And as the link Prysin posted above also shows, USA MSM regularly reports false news knowing that it's reporting false news.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/okeefe-undercover-bombshell-cnn-producer-admits-trump-russia-story-bullsht-video/

snip

 

In fact just this morning three very highly regarded CNN journalists(including a pulitzer prize winner) were just forced to resign for posting a completely false article claiming a Trump aide was under total investigation by congress.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40414886

[TidaLWaveZ]

Also thumbs up if you came in here thinking Putin was banning people that go door to door reading out mail to recipients saying "stop" between lines.

[ivan134]

Hahaha. Talking about one thing, and bastions of intellect think it's something else or bring up factoids. I'm out anyway. Lots of violations already and don't want to contribute to getting the thread locked 

[goodtofufriday]

Russia has been banning a lot groups and services if they are seen as even a minimal threat to russias control over its people lately. Concerning to see it becoming the USSR again with some peoples lifetimes. 

[Delicieuxz]

46 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Hahaha. Talking about one thing, and bastions of intellect think it's something else or bring up factoids. I'm out anyway. Lots of violations already and don't want to contribute to getting the thread locked 

The basis for your prior comment and criticism concerning Russia was fallacious and hypocritical, because the USA, UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand are in talks to do the exact same thing, for the exact same reason. Not similar... but literally exactly the same thing, and for literally exactly the same reason.

 

"Australia has made it clear it wants tech companies to do much more to give intelligence and law enforcement agencies access to encrypted communications.

"I will raise the need to address ongoing challenges posed by terrorists and criminals using encryption," Australian Attorney-General Senator Brandis said in a joint statement."

 

"The UK government has once again amped up its attacks on tech platforms’ use of end-to-end encryption, and called for International co-operation to regulate the Internet so that it cannot be used as a “safe space” for extremists to communicate and spread propaganda online."

 

"Leaked documents reveal UK government is planning to BAN encryption to get access to your WhatsApp messages"

"The government is consulting on new powers that would give it access to citizens' private communications in real time"

 

"The Five Eyes nations - the UK, United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - have an agreement to gather and share intelligence, and are meeting this week to discuss national security.

Talks are expected to focus on how to force tech companies to introduce back-doors into their previously encrypted products."

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/leaked-documents-reveal-uk-government-10363472

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/26/australian_govt_promises_to_push_five_eyes_nations_to_break_encryption/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/05/we-want-to-limit-use-of-e2e-encryption-confirms-uk-minister/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/27/could-the-uk-be-about-to-break-end-to-end-encryption/

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1276075/five-eyes-to-demand-access-to-encrypted-data

 

 

I disapprove of the action by Russia, and of the same intention by the West. So, I guess the USA shouldn't cozy up to the UK or Canada, and that Canada or the UK shouldn't cozy up to the USA, or Australia, or New Zealand, or to each other.

[PlayStation 2]

8 hours ago, ivan134 said:

Hahaha. Talking about one thing, and bastions of intellect think it's something else or bring up factoids. I'm out anyway. Lots of violations already and don't want to contribute to getting the thread locked 

Calling the president "moron-in-chief" really doesn't contribute much, don'tcha think?

[RGProductions]

Thought you meant this kind of telegram