gtx 1070's are unavailable, what now?

[Larrie_c]

I was planning to build a system after my finals. It would be a amd ryzen 5 1600 and a gtx 1070 or even a 1080 if it fitted my budget. A few months ago i saw gtx 1070's on amazon for about €380 to low-400 . Now, my finals are done, but there is all the mining-craze going on. Prices went up and the only cards available (if i can even  find one) right now are costing me around €550. 

Anyone who knows if the prices or the availability will change, or should i just wait for amd vega to come out? 

[DocSwag]

It's really hard to say what will happen and when it ends.

 

If you're willing to, you could look on the used market for a 980 ti.

[Ryujin2003]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

It's really hard to say what will happen and when it ends.

 

If you're willing to, you could look on the used market for a 980 ti.

 

2 minutes ago, Larrie_c said:

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Anyone who knows if the prices or the availability will change, or should i just wait for amd vega to come out? 

 

I'm not saying wait for Vega, but the mining GPUs should be coming out soon. Specifically designed for mining. No video out. It should help relieve pressure of the regular GPUs.

[Larrie_c]

2 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

 

 

I'm not saying wait for Vega, but the mining GPUs should be coming out soon. Specifically designed for mining. No video out. It should help relieve pressure of the regular GPUs. 

Than i will probably wait for a few weeks. As it is my first build, i don't realy prefer second hand stuff yet. 

[DrMacintosh]

This small group of people, called miners, buy up all the GPU stock. 

 

They are to blame. 

[DocSwag]

9 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

 

 

I'm not saying wait for Vega, but the mining GPUs should be coming out soon. Specifically designed for mining. No video out. It should help relieve pressure of the regular GPUs.

I doubt that will help.

 

The mining GPUs will come from the same fabs the normal ones come from. Right now the issue is the fabs can't produce fast enough for the demand.

 

Eventually all the mining GPUs will be gone and then everyone goes back to the normal GPUs. Hooray.

[DrMacintosh]

11 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

It should help relieve pressure of the regular GPUs.

Not really sure how that works, there is a set manufacturing yield that these companies can make, the only way to alleviate the miners buying everything would to increase the total yield which only someone like Nvidia would be able to do, but their cards aren't good for mining anyway. 

 

And even after that the miners will just buy the normal GPUs anyway. 

 

You think miners are going to care? They are like a disease growing on the PC community. 

[Ryujin2003]

Just now, DocSwag said:

Eventually all the mining GPUs will be gone and then everyone goes back to the normal GPUs. Hooray.

I concur with your enthusiasm. However, it's got me tempted to over sell my R9 380, but I feel bad that someone would pay me close to 400 for something I paid 220 for...

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

You think miners are going to care? They are like a disease growing on the PC community. 

You bring a good point.. damned hipsters.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

400 for something I paid 220 for.

Nah I just checked, nobody wants the R9 380

[Daniel644]

just sit back and wait for the Etherium bubble to burst, it won't go much longer, just like Bitcoin it will reach a point where GPU mining isn't efficient and will move on to ASIC's or some other device built specifically for Etherium mining

[Ryujin2003]

25 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Nah I just checked, nobody wants the R9 380

People are buying them in Amazon at that price... Which is dumb. Maybe it's money laundering, which is more likely.

[typographie]

48 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

I'm not saying wait for Vega, but the mining GPUs should be coming out soon. Specifically designed for mining. No video out. It should help relieve pressure of the regular GPUs.

The business reasons to provide "mining GPUs" confounds me. Theoretically these cards would have to have similar performance-per-dollar to the ordinary gaming counterparts, and yet in order for anyone to want one they would have to be cheaper. I'm not sure how that makes any sense from AMD's/Nvidia's perspective, unless they have a lot of chips lying around that are fit for mining but cannot be sold for gaming, somehow. Otherwise they'd just sell them as higher-margin gaming cards. Just leaving the video out ports off doesn't count for much, I don't think.

[Sovietpizza]

59 minutes ago, Larrie_c said:

I was planning to build a system after my finals. It would be a amd ryzen 5 1600 and a gtx 1070 or even a 1080 if it fitted my budget. A few months ago i saw gtx 1070's on amazon for about €380 to low-400 . Now, my finals are done, but there is all the mining-craze going on. Prices went up and the only cards available (if i can even  find one) right now are costing me around €550. 

Anyone who knows if the prices or the availability will change, or should i just wait for amd vega to come out? 

The reason the prices suck right know is cause everyone has bought up all the competing RX 480's due to the bit coins rising value. So know everyone's got no choice but to buy a GTX 1070. Also most people right now are selling there RX 480 to buy a GTX 1070. So the demand for GPU's in general is really high right now. (EX: GTX 970 selling for $350). Right now is a terrible time to buy a Graphics card. I recommend not buying a Graphics card right now at all, even a used one.

[JabroniBaloney]

1 hour ago, Sovietpizza said:

The reason the prices suck right know is cause everyone has bought up all the competing RX 480's due to the bit coins rising value. So know everyone's got no choice but to buy a GTX 1070. Also most people right now are selling there RX 480 to buy a GTX 1070. So the demand for GPU's in general is really high right now. (EX: GTX 970 selling for $350). Right now is a terrible time to buy a Graphics card. I recommend not buying a Graphics card right now at all, even a used one.

No. It's not due to bitcoin.

[StomptomdFTW]

ebay has them for sure. 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

13 hours ago, Larrie_c said:

Than i will probably wait for a few weeks. As it is my first build, i don't realy prefer second hand stuff yet. 

If you are upgrading then you might look at second hand things

[Ordinarily_Greater]

16 hours ago, DocSwag said:

It's really hard to say what will happen and when it ends.

 

If you're willing to, you could look on the used market for a 980 ti.

Or 970 if you want to get less temptation in your wallet

[Ryujin2003]

19 hours ago, typographie said:

The business reasons to provide "mining GPUs" confounds me. Theoretically these cards would have to have similar performance-per-dollar to the ordinary gaming counterparts, and yet in order for anyone to want one they would have to be cheaper. I'm not sure how that makes any sense from AMD's/Nvidia's perspective, unless they have a lot of chips lying around that are fit for mining but cannot be sold for gaming, somehow. Otherwise they'd just sell them as higher-margin gaming cards. Just leaving the video out ports off doesn't count for much, I don't think.

From what it looks like, these specific cards don't have any display out. These are built around the same architecture, but don't have to output any image. It looks like somehow eliminating this allows the GPU's to be clocked much higher than a gaming GPU would be since it's only being used for compute and not rendering? So it may cost a bit more, but you'll theoretically get much more performance from them than gaming/production oriented cards.

[Johntheawesomeguy]

14 hours ago, StomptomdFTW said:

ebay has them for sure. 

ebay pricing is pretty bad too, just checked

[porina]

19 hours ago, typographie said:

The business reasons to provide "mining GPUs" confounds me. Theoretically these cards would have to have similar performance-per-dollar to the ordinary gaming counterparts, and yet in order for anyone to want one they would have to be cheaper. I'm not sure how that makes any sense from AMD's/Nvidia's perspective, unless they have a lot of chips lying around that are fit for mining but cannot be sold for gaming, somehow. Otherwise they'd just sell them as higher-margin gaming cards. Just leaving the video out ports off doesn't count for much, I don't think.

What might make a good miner GPU is different than what makes a good gaming GPU, even if they come off the same process. It is similar to AMD 8 core Ryzen processors if you compare the 1700 and 1800X. For gaming GPUs, you want to get higher clocks, and care less about power. For mining, you want a reasonable level of performance, but at low power. Lower clock binned chips that might not make the cut for gaming could still be useful for mining. Combined with potentially lower finished product costs due to reduced ports and associated circuitry, it could make mining slightly better value, and stretch out the bubble.

 

16 hours ago, GamingMemeKing said:

It's due to Ethereum.

On the AMD side perhaps, but Zcash seems to be driving similarly on nvidia.

 

I don't know when the end will come, but it may be different than the original bitcoin bubble. Now we have multiple currencies. As any of these gets over-mined, there are also others that might start to look more interesting. So while I still expect a drop eventually, I think it wouldn't be as sharp as before.

[typographie]

1 minute ago, porina said:

Lower clock binned chips that might not make the cut for gaming could still be useful for mining. Combined with potentially lower finished product costs due to reduced ports and associated circuitry, it could make mining slightly better value, and stretch out the bubble.

It seems to me that leaves Nvidia and AMD with a razor's edge balancing act between power, performance, and revenue for themselves that I don't entirely trust them to achieve and maintain. Add to that complexity the wildly different power costs in other areas where these cards would likely have different prices, as well. Past experience with big corporate entities trying to capitalize on viral phenomena doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence that they're going to be as nimble and aggressive as they need to.

[Ekst4zy]

I saw some 970 selling for ~200 cad (used ofc). That's not an amazing deal, but compare it to R9 290... ~300 cad. Crazy stuff. People were selling R9 290's for 150 cad before mining craze.