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7900X Coming In Hot?!

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24 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

That's good news. I am probably going to get a 7800X or a 7820X and I don't want to delid :P


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Just now, tom_w141 said:

Then that is why he only gained 10 deg. If he had delidded and done nothing he'd have gained 20+ just like when you delid a 7700k

I believe he delidded it, got it 10C cooler, than pushed the OC 200mhz more and got the same temps before he delidded it.

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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

That's good news. I am probably going to get a 7800X or the 7820X and I don't want to delid :P

I think people are making too big a deal out of everything.... cos Intel.


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Just now, VagabondWraith said:

I'll live with it. Performance is what I'm looking for. Temperatures be damned. :) Would it had been nice if they soldered? I suppose. But I refuse to settle for an inferior product with for lower temps. :) 

I would take the small performance hit just for the big cost saving personally :) the not being a furnace is just a bonus ;) using quality materials does go that extra mile. A chip at <60 degrees will live for longer than 1 sitting in the 90s :P also remember Ryzen is mainstream this is HEDT. X299 competes with X399 not AM4 :) AM4 competes with LGA1151, they are in different leagues.

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Just now, VagabondWraith said:

I think people are making too big a deal out of everything.... cos Intel.

Yeah, the 7900X does run hot, but the CPUs that most people will buy (the 7820X and the 7800X) don't seem to be suffering from the same thermal issues as their bigger brother. :D


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5 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

That's good news. I am probably going to get a 7800X or a 7820X and I don't want to delid :P

It's not good news, read the bottom half. Between 1.2 and 1.3V the temps shot up to unsafe levels. This shows the issue is present on the 8 core as well. 6 core unknown. You will need to delid this for safe temps or run stock as GN says stock is high but not as high as 95.

 

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we saw 72°C at 1.2v but at 1.3v temperatures got to unsafe levels in a matter of seconds.

 

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5 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

It's not good news, read the bottom half. Between 1.2 and 1.3V the temps shot up to unsafe levels. This shows the issue is present on the 8 core as well. 6 core unknown. You will need to delid this for safe temps or run stock as GN says stock is high but not as high as 95.

It is good news :P At 1.22V they were able to get a 4.8GHz overclock, that's way more than enough for me :D 

EDIT: And at 4.8Ghz the CPU only got up to 72C, awesome


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4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It is good news :P At 1.22V they were able to get a 4.8GHz overclock, that's way more than enough for me :D 

Yes but cherry picked reviewer samples :P minus 100-200Mhz for consumer product unless you hit silicon lottery. Still mid 70s at 1.22V 4.6Ghz is livable :) This theead is really regarding the 10 core which will be compulsory delid of $1000 processor (scary!)

 

What clocks do you run now just curious?

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Just now, tom_w141 said:

Yes but cherry picked reviewer samples :P minus 100-200Mhz for consumer product unless you hit silicon lottery. Still mid 70s at 1.22V 4.6Ghz is livable :) 

Of course I am not going to buy one right now :P I will probably upgrade in a few months, because by then, yields will have improved and I will be able to get a CPU that overclocks better ;)


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2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

What clocks do you run now just curious?

Stock, because cheap cooler :(


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10 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Stock, because cheap cooler :(

That is literally insane...lol.  Come on man.  You're better than that.


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9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Stock, because cheap cooler :(

Wouldn't you see the same unlift if you put a custom loop or a decent AIO on your soldered X99 6 core cpu and overclocked it? Would save yourself nearly $1k? Just a thought, if you have the money and nothing better to spend it on then hell why not :P 

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12 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Of course I am not going to buy one right now :P I will probably upgrade in a few months, because by then, yields will have improved and I will be able to get a CPU that overclocks better ;)

Positive attitude :) I doubt a few months will make any difference at all but good luck :) 

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1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Wouldn't you see the same unlift if you put a custom loop or a decent AIO on your soldered X99 6 core cpu and overclocked it? Would save yourself nearly $1k? Just a thought, if you have the money and nothing better to spend it on then hell why not :P 

Yeah, but upgrading is fun :/ I will wait for Threadripper tho, because a 10 core would be a nice upgrade :D


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16 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yeah, but upgrading is fun :/ I will wait for Threadripper tho, because a 10 core would be a nice upgrade :D

Upgrading for the sake of it is not worth it mate, you are doing the right thing. Take a breather look at all the options and hey if X299 is a furnace that needs to be delidded or TR is crap then why not wait another gen? X299 is rushed and Intel are slowly changing from the monopoly gear to the compete gear. Clearly they are maxing out 14nm, have you considered waiting and seeing what they have to offer on 10nm? Or a gpu upgrade maybe? At the end of the day it's whatever makes you happy but buying in to a flawed product just because it's the latest isn't the best logic imo. Imo anyone not looking to delid should buy a soldered cpu whether that is X99 or Ryzen it doesn't matter, the thermals will be safer and they will be able to get good results and oc without needing a delid with just an AIO.

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2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Or a gpu upgrade maybe?

Idk, I may get a second 1080, but I definitely need a new monitor (I am currently using a 1080p 60Hz monitor) xD


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9 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

 Imo anyone not looking to delid should buy a soldered cpu whether that is X99 or Ryzen it doesn't matter, the thermals will be safer and they will be able to get good results and oc without needing a delid with just an AIO.

You can still get to 4.5 even with a crappy chip without needing delid.  

 

Has the game of hate-on-Intel-telephone ended up with the message being "you can't OC because not soldered"?  Remind me again what's the max OC on a Ryzen chip?


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5 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

You can still get to 4.5 even with a crappy chip without needing delid.  

 

Has the game of hate-on-Intel-telephone ended up with the message being "you can't OC because not soldered"?  Remind me again what's the max OC on a Ryzen chip?

As bad as AMD GPU's. About 50MHz max. xD


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5 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

You can still get to 4.5 even with a crappy chip without needing delid.  

 

Has the game of hate-on-Intel-telephone ended up with the message being "you can't OC because not soldered"?  Remind me again what's the max OC on a Ryzen chip?

It's got nothing to do with who he manufacturer is we both know this thread would exist if it was Threadripper or Ryzen running 95 degrees. AMD got a lot of shit for running hot in the past so why shouldn't Intel?

 

4.1-4.2 but remind me the price difference on these cpus and the temps they run at?

 

Anyway the performance of Ryzen is beside the point as you are comparing mainstream Ryzen to HEDT X299. AM4 competes with LGA1151, X299 is HEDT and competes with X399.

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6 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Has the game of hate-on-Intel-telephone ended up with the message being "you can't OC because not soldered"?  Remind me again what's the max OC on a Ryzen chip?

4GHz. Even the crappiest Skylake-X CPU without a delid can overclock to 4.5Ghz with just 1.2V and with 10% or so better IPC :D


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Just now, tom_w141 said:

AMD got a lot of shit for running hot in the past so why shouldn't Intel?

FX ran hot without performing well, the 7900X may run hot, but it is the best 10 core CPU on the market..... :D


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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

FX ran hot without performing well, the 7900X may run hot, but it is the best 10 core CPU on the market..... :D

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6 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

It's got nothing to do with who he manufacturer is we both know this thread would exist if it was Threadripper or Ryzen running 95 degrees. AMD got a lot of shit for running hot in the past so why shouldn't Intel?

Because AMD was selling *STOCK* clocked FX parts that were flame throwers.  That's the difference.   "Only" 4.5Ghz with an AIO is perfectly acceptable for the 7900X, especially when other reviewers got 4.6-4.8. For the big boys who delid and run custom loops, 5.0 is probably going to be within reach.

 

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Anyway the performance of Ryzen is beside the point as you are comparing mainstream Ryzen to HEDT X299. AM4 competes with LGA1151, X299 is HEDT and competes with X399.

Because TR isn't going to be any better headroom than Ryzen.  16 cores 3.9Ghz.  Spoiler alert.  EDIT: I wasn't joking last week when I said we'll probably see top clocked 7900X's beating top clocked TR parts in multithread just from the IPC and OC headroom advantage.


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4 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

It's got nothing to do with who he manufacturer is we both know this thread would exist if it was Threadripper or Ryzen running 95 degrees. AMD got a lot of shit for running hot in the past so why shouldn't Intel?

 

4.1-4.2 but remind me the price difference on these cpus and the temps they run at?

 

Anyway the performance of Ryzen is beside the point as you are comparing mainstream Ryzen to HEDT X299. AM4 competes with LGA1151, X299 is HEDT and competes with X399.

Then why did AMD compare it to Broadwell and not Skylake?


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