workstation build. My first workstation build need help

[ENG0009]

hi 

i am an architecture engineer, and i want to build a new workstation for work, the programs the i will use on regular bases are 

LUMION 7, 3dmax 2017 , revit, Autocad, and Autodesk robot structure analysis.

 

and for the budget lets start with 4000 USD  

 

i  have very little experience in PC builds, so any advise will be appreciated, thank you all in advance.

[Le Sulfur]

Right at your budget. Gives you plenty of power and good looks. Included 2 4k monitors (wasn't sure if you needed those or not).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($455.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($107.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($152.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($294.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($199.94 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Other: BitFenix ALCHEMY 2.0 PSU CABLE KIT for EVGA SuperNOVA  T2/P2/G2 Power Supply, EVG-SERIES - Black/White (BFX-ALC-EVGKW-RP)  ($68.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3928.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-12 01:09 EDT-0400

[Guest]

Just now, Le Sulfur said:

Right at your budget. Gives you plenty of power and good looks. Included 2 4k monitors (wasn't sure if you needed those or not).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor  ($455.49 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($107.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($152.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($294.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($199.94 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Other: BitFenix ALCHEMY 2.0 PSU CABLE KIT for EVGA SuperNOVA  T2/P2/G2 Power Supply, EVG-SERIES - Black/White (BFX-ALC-EVGKW-RP)  ($68.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3928.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-12 01:09 EDT-0400

Why a 1800X? You do know it is not really needed.

Not even an NVME drive?

You don't need 1000w, ever.

Cablemod kits are better in quality, much better

H115i would be better

I would wait for threadripper and/or skylake/kabylake -x

[Le Sulfur]

8 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Why a 1800X? You do know it is not really needed.

Not even an NVME drive?

You don't need 1000w, ever.

Cablemod kits are better in quality, much better

H115i would be better

I would wait for threadripper and/or skylake/kabylake -x

I mean you could always go cheaper. Of course waiting for threadripper would give him the best performance, but if 1800x isn't necessary is threadripper? lol But I guess jump from 1700 to 1800x really doesn't give you too much. Nvme isn't really needed, either.

Something like this would work, too

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.44 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H115i 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($139.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($152.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($294.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($249.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB FTW3 GAMING iCX Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($778.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($94.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.89 @ OutletPC) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($347.00 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Other: EVGA 100-CW-1300-B9 Power Supply Cable Set  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $3790.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-12 01:19 EDT-0400

[Moress]

1 minute ago, Le Sulfur said:

I mean you could always go cheaper. Of course waiting for threadripper would give him the best performance, but if 1800x isn't necessary is threadripper? lol But I guess jump from 1700 to 1800x really doesn't give you too much. Nvme isn't really needed, either.

 

If you spent a few minutes looking at the software he is using you would know that Threadripper would in fact be a want for this kind of workstation. Especially since Revit can use up to 16 cores. 

[Thelonious]

27 minutes ago, ENG0009 said:

hi 

i am an architecture engineer, and i want to build a new workstation for work, the programs the i will use on regular bases are 

LUMION 7, 3dmax 2017 , revit, Autocad, and Autodesk robot structure analysis.

 

and for the budget lets start with 4000 USD  

 

i  have very little experience in PC builds, so any advise will be appreciated, thank you all in advance.

okay, here's what I've got:

X2 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235128&ignorebbr=1 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125880&ignorebbr=1

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139204&ignorebbr=1

 

X2 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232391&ignorebbr=1 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132901&ignorebbr=1

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117647&ignorebbr=1

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181103&ignorebbr=1

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W05800631&ignorebbr=1

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139060&ignorebbr=1

 

For a total of $3816.07 at the time of posting. This will be more than enough for what you need, and you'll be able to upgrade the heck out of it in the future if you need. Keep in mind this will be MORE THAN ENOUGH. If you don't WANT to spend four grand, ask me and we can tone it down a bit. Also if you live in the SF Bay area I'm happy to help you build it. 

 

[Le Sulfur]

1 minute ago, Moress said:

If you spent a few minutes looking at the software he is using you would know that Threadripper would in fact be a want for this kind of workstation. Especially since Revit can use up to 16 cores. 

Fair point, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give him a build suggestion if he wants to buy now.

[Number Muncher]

When do you need the system? We're on the cusp of a new generation of CPUs, and if you can hold off buying for a while, you might be able to get a significantly better system for your needs.

[HelplmChoking]

47 minutes ago, Moress said:

If you spent a few minutes looking at the software he is using you would know that Threadripper would in fact be a want for this kind of workstation. Especially since Revit can use up to 16 cores. 

 

58 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Why a 1800X? You do know it is not really needed.

Not even an NVME drive?

You don't need 1000w, ever.

Cablemod kits are better in quality, much better

H115i would be better

I would wait for threadripper and/or skylake/kabylake -x

Soooo threadripper isn't out yet, and if this machine is for a business, it likely needs to exist fairly soon. Telling someone to wait for the next big thing isn't always the right answer.

40 minutes ago, Number Muncher said:

When do you need the system? We're on the cusp of a new generation of CPUs, and if you can hold off buying for a while, you might be able to get a significantly better system for your needs.

That's more like it. If OP can wait, then they may as well, since more power will be coming shortly. If not, just get the best thing you can find right now.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Rangaman42 said:

Telling someone to wait for the next big thing isn't always the right answer.

I was talking about personal opinion and didn't say OP has to wait

1 hour ago, Rangaman42 said:

 

Soooo threadripper isn't out yet, and if this machine is for a business, it likely needs to exist fairly soon.

Wait what? You don't rush when doing business, yoy need to take all optiona into considerations before making a judgement. 

You assumed this machine is for business (in reality if you read all of his programs and software requirements you would know he is an engineer). Why does he need to buy it right away? 

 

You don't come here asking for help with a 2000 dollar machine and the next hour you spend all of it right away. That is plain stupid. 

[IntMD]

The below would be super solid, if you can't wait for threadripper etc.

 

I haven't included the CPUs or coolers but you can go for something like dual E5 2683 V3s for 28 cores & 56 threads, and they run (at least the one I have does) pretty cool, so a reasonable air cooler would be fine for each of them and are relatively cheap on ebay. Not sure if any of those programs have cuda acceleration either, so I stuck a 1080ti in, but if they don't you could obviously get something lesser and cheaper. Anyway, with those processors and a couple of coolers you would come to about $3.1k and so you would have $900 or so for a monitor or two and some peripherals. Alternatively, you could go for a single socket board and still have 14 cores relatively cheap.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2683-V3-OEM-2-0Ghz-35MB-14-Core-120W-22nm-M0-28Threads-Processor-/272254848452?hash=item3f63a74dc4:g:s4UAAOSwiOFZN66d

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Supermicro - MBD-X10DAL-I-O ATX Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston - 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($704.36 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2237.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Guest]

1 hour ago, IntMD said:

The below would be super solid, if you can't wait for threadripper etc.

 

I haven't included the CPUs or coolers but you can go for something like dual E5 2683 V3s for 28 cores & 56 threads, and they run (at least the one I have does) pretty cool, so a reasonable air cooler would be fine for each of them and are relatively cheap on ebay. Not sure if any of those programs have cuda acceleration either, so I stuck a 1080ti in, but if they don't you could obviously get something lesser and cheaper. Anyway, with those processors and a couple of coolers you would come to about $3.1k and so you would have $900 or so for a monitor or two and some peripherals. Alternatively, you could go for a single socket board and still have 14 cores relatively cheap.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2683-V3-OEM-2-0Ghz-35MB-14-Core-120W-22nm-M0-28Threads-Processor-/272254848452?hash=item3f63a74dc4:g:s4UAAOSwiOFZN66d

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Supermicro - MBD-X10DAL-I-O ATX Dual-CPU LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($279.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Kingston - 64GB (4 x 16GB) Registered DDR4-2133 Memory  ($704.36 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2237.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-12 07:17 EDT-0400

The clock speed is way too slow on that Xeon cpu. Also the software being used might not even benefit from that many cores/threads.

[Number Muncher]

OP, some other stuff to consider:

• Since this is needed for work, would you be better off buying a pre-built system with a support contract, from Dell, HP, or the like?
• If you build it yourself, make sure that you use memory from your motherboard's Qualified Vendor List (QVL)
• You're likely going to want memory with ECC, which will increase your system cost and limit your processor selection
• Make sure you use an Uninterruptible Power Supply with power conditioning and make sure that your computer's PSU is going to work well with it (I've heard some stories about certain PSUs not liking power conditioning, but I've never seen any issues myself)
• Make sure you don't buy more system than your software licenses allow. Some of those professional applications have weird and restrictive licensing issues
• If you're going to buy a video card for CUDA acceleration, make sure you're getting the performance you need where you need it (FP16 vs FP32 vs FP64, etc)