ryzen Ryzen 1700 or 1700X for overclocking

[Dimitri0706]

So I am about to upgrade and wondering whether I should pick up the 1700 or 1700X. It will be paired with a Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 and and 16 gigs of 3000 MHz (which I will OC to 3200 MHz which is the mobos limt).

I plan to overclock it on air at first (Hyper 212X) then when the time comes cool it with an AIO. Someplaces I read that the 1700 is better for OC others say the opposite, I've yet to find consensus on the topic which led me here.

There is about a 10% price difference between them where I live (not that much honestly) so the 1700X would be worth the extra for me if it turns out to be a bit better overclocker (I know i have to win the silicon lottery too :/)

Thanks for the responses!

[App4that]

100% lottery. Just like your plans to overclock your RAM. Best advice I can give you is go with the ASUS Crosshair 6 Hero rather than the Gigabyte, slightly better chances with overclocking the memory because of the beta bios. 

[tom_w141]

I have a crosshair and a 1700 @ 4Ghz love the asus BIOS. Thanks to getting regular beta BIOS releases I have had 4GHz and stable RAM OC for months when some cheaper boards still don't have stability.

[Bananasplit_00]

they will OC the same, its the same chip. there is no binning so that the higher number chip is a better dye or whatever. they are just clocked difrently and all seem to basically hit a wall at 4.1GHz. if you can reach that or not is up to the lottery entirely. for the motherboard id get either the crosshair 6 or the ASRock Taichi seeing as they have beta BIOSes that could yeald you slightly improved memory OCs

[tom_w141]

Oh and don't waste your money on a hyper 212, the stock wraith spire cooler with the 1700 is as good as budget air cooler like the 212 + dat RGB

[DocSwag]

Get a 1700 and don't get the 212 evo as it isn't much better than stock. Use the money saved to get a Crosshair Vi Hero or Taichi. Or K7, as they are more premium.

[knightslugger]

buy the 1700.

 

the X will only enable XFR (an extra 100 MHz) if high end cooling (not stock) is detected. If you overclock, XFR is disabled.

[Evanair]

On the plus side, the 1700 will report the correct temp to your system. That 20c offset is really stupid on the X series. I thought the "thermal margin" was bad enough AMD wouldn't do that again.

[Dimitri0706]

Guess that explains why opinions are so dividing. As for the mobos you suggested,prices are quite ridiculous around here, some high end boards could cost significantly more than mid-high tier boards, I'll have to do some market hunting, but I am curious how the Gaming 5 compares to one of the mentioned boards in terms of CPU OC?

 

Oh and I already have a 212X, broke my previous cooler's heatpipe 

[App4that]

10 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

they will OC the same, its the same chip. there is no binning so that the higher number chip is a better dye or whatever. they are just clocked difrently and all seem to basically hit a wall at 4.1GHz. if you can reach that or not is up to the lottery entirely. for the motherboard id get either the crosshair 6 or the ASRock Taichi seeing as they have beta BIOSes that could yeald you slightly improved memory OCs

That's, not entirely accurate. 

 

The 1700X is binned, they are not the same CPU. If the 1700 and 1700X were the same CPU, the 1700 would have a tempurature offset like the 1700X.

 

But the binning and differences make little difference in performance once overclocked. 

[stealth80]

15 minutes ago, App4that said:

100% lottery. Just like your plans to overclock your RAM. Best advice I can give you is go with the ASUS Crosshair 6 Hero rather than the Gigabyte, slightly better chances with overclocking the memory because of the beta bios. 

Gigabyte 5 has the same Agesa 1006 beta bios, I'm using it right now, theres also no real need for BLCK o/c now ( I was a previous advocator of this and the Taichi)

 

10 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I have a crosshair and a 1700 @ 4Ghz love the asus BIOS. Thanks to getting regular beta BIOS releases I have had 4GHz and stable RAM OC for months when some cheaper boards still don't have stability.

As already said that's a lottery, I can run mine 4.025ghz (haven't tried more) but I don't like running more than 1.375v

 

4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Get a 1700 and don't get the 212 evo as it isn't much better than stock. Use the money saved to get a Crosshair Vi Hero or Taichi. Or K7, as they are more premium.

BCLK aint really required anymore, I agree they are slightly more premium, but the difference between those and the gaming 5 isn't much

 

21 minutes ago, Dimitri0706 said:

So I am about to upgrade and wondering whether I should pick up the 1700 or 1700X. It will be paired with a Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 and and 16 gigs of 3000 MHz (which I will OC to 3200 MHz which is the mobos limt).

I plan to overclock it on air at first (Hyper 212X) then when the time comes cool it with an AIO. Someplaces I read that the 1700 is better for OC others say the opposite, I've yet to find consensus on the topic which led me here.

There is about a 10% price difference between them where I live (not that much honestly) so the 1700X would be worth the extra for me if it turns out to be a bit better overclocker (I know i have to win the silicon lottery too :/)

Thanks for the responses!

With the answers above I would stick with the gaming 5 (unless you can get the Taichi or CH 6 absurdly cheap) and grab the 1700, use the money saved to get faster ram, that's what Ryzen really needs, the difference between 4.1ghz and 3000mhz ram and 3.9ghz and 3600mhz ram ..... take the ram

[jjohnthedon1]

31 minutes ago, App4that said:

100% lottery. Just like your plans to overclock your RAM. Best advice I can give you is go with the ASUS Crosshair 6 Hero rather than the Gigabyte, slightly better chances with overclocking the memory because of the beta bios. 

Yup agreed!! 

App has the 1700x I have the 1700 and managed and extra 100mgz oc on mine 

 

ch6 is an amazing board and allows for pstate oc which 

@tom_w141 

has an amazing guide for 

[PCGuy_5960]

51 minutes ago, App4that said:

100% lottery. 

I think G.Skill said that the X parts can usually get higher RAM speeds. But it mostly depends on the lottery TBH

[jjohnthedon1]

25 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I think G.Skill said that the X parts can usually get higher RAM speeds. But it mostly depends on the lottery TBH

No correlation between x parts hitting higher ram speeds unfortunately 

[PCGuy_5960]

30 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

No correlation between x parts hitting higher ram speeds unfortunately 

I didn't say that there is, but according to G.Skill, X CPUs are usually able to work better with higher speed memory

[Dimitri0706]

1 hour ago, stealth80 said:

With the answers above I would stick with the gaming 5 (unless you can get the Taichi or CH 6 absurdly cheap) and grab the 1700, use the money saved to get faster ram, that's what Ryzen really needs, the difference between 4.1ghz and 3000mhz ram and 3.9ghz and 3600mhz ram ..... take the ram

Does the Gaming 5 support memory clocks higher than 3200mhz though? Their site says it tops out with 3200mhz or was that disproved? For example the 3600mhz 16gig vengeance lp kit wasnt on the memory support list either.

[stealth80]

12 minutes ago, Dimitri0706 said:

Does the Gaming 5 support memory clocks higher than 3200mhz though? Their site says it tops out with 3200mhz or was that disproved? For example the 3600mhz 16gig vengeance lp kit wasnt on the memory support list either.

All I know is that dividers go up to 4000mhz on the new beta bios based on Agesa 1006, previously they were 3200mhz, so I guess officially until the bios is non beta it's still 3200.

 

http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/886/am4-beta-bios-thread

[Dimitri0706]

22 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

All I know is that dividers go up to 4000mhz on the new beta bios based on Agesa 1006, previously they were 3200mhz, so I guess officially until the bios is non beta it's still 3200.

 

http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/886/am4-beta-bios-thread

Oh right I forgot about BIOS updates and only checked their main site where the specs are. My bad  Will look for 3200mhz memory then to play it safe for now (plus 3600mhz is very rare and disgustingly expensive here)

Thank you for the help, really should spend more time here definitely isn't toxic this place like reddit

[knightslugger]

18 minutes ago, Dimitri0706 said:

definitely isn't toxic this place like reddit

... hold my beer.

[jjohnthedon1]

3 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I didn't say that there is, but according to G.Skill, X CPUs are usually able to work better with higher speed memory

I highly doubt there will be a difference but il check the video out

iv not heard of anyone hitting higher ram speeds on different chips just different bioses allowin higher speeds

[Dimitri0706]

3 hours ago, knightslugger said:

... hold my beer.

Mb I should have said isn't AS toxic? ?

[Max_Settings]

Get the 1700, the X isn't worth the price increase. Just note that Ryzen isn't known for overclocking, not saying that all of them don't OC well, but it seems to be much more inconsistent than Intel chips from what I've been seeing

[jjohnthedon1]

2 hours ago, Max_Settings said:

Get the 1700, the X isn't worth the price increase. Just note that Ryzen isn't known for overclocking, not saying that all of them don't OC well, but it seems to be much more inconsistent than Intel chips from what I've been seeing

It's pretty consistent 3.8/4.0 on every chip lol 

it just doesn't clock as high as Intell

[Dimitri0706]

So I went with the Gaming 5 along with the 1700 and 3000mhz Vengeance memory (remind me to hate import taxes and laws with a passion) also threw in a Define S for sweet cable management and looks. I'll update this thread with my lottery winnings once I get the parts and a chance to mess about with them. Thank you all for your help/info

[Goildzy]

Cant wait to hear results from you, i would have picked (and will depending on the next months) for the Asus hero 6 tho. Comes pricey tho i agree!

 

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