rumor has it both nVidia and AMD arel preparing dedicated crypto currency mining cards

[Princess Luna]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Damn

I am sure you'd buy a dedicated GPU from Intel in a heart beat

[PCGuy_5960]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I am sure you'd buy a dedicated GPU from Intel in a heart beat

Nah, I am an Nvidia fan, but I would consider buying it if it performed well and was blue

[NumLock21]

The thing with miners is, they spent a bunch on the video cards. Mine with it, so they basically get the money back. Basically they got those video cards for free and then they sell if for profit. Nvidia and amd should add some controller into their cards, so it can't be used for mining. It's annoying not being able to find a video card you want, when you're doing a build or need one cause your old one died. 

 

[tom_w141]

30 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Nvidia and amd should add some controller into their cards, so it can't be used for mining.

 

 

They are businesses not your friend. A sale is a sale, this could only hurt them, why on Earth would either of them do this?

 

EDIT: For example the 580 is the best card to buy for a quick return because its in the price tier of the 1060 with the compute performance near that of a 1070. They are all sold out, literally as fast as AMD can make them. Which from their perspective is great news and a steady stream of income.

[NumLock21]

19 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

They are businesses not your friend. A sale is a sale, this could only hurt them, why on Earth would either of them do this?

 

EDIT: For example the 580 is the best card to buy for a quick return because its in the price tier of the 1060 with the compute performance near that of a 1070. They are all sold out, literally as fast as AMD can make them. Which from their perspective is great news and a steady stream of income.

I know they are a business. They should do something about it, so those who really need a video card can have a chance to buy one. 

[tom_w141]

20 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

They should do something about it, so those who really need a video card can have a chance to buy one. 

Again why should they? They are selling their product faster than they can make them, they don't give a flying fuck who is buying it. Welcome to the world of business.

[NumLock21]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Again why should they? They are selling their product faster than they can make them, they don't give a flying fuck who is buying it. Welcome to the world of business.

So those computer shops that does custom builds aren't a business then? They need video cards too for their builds so they can sell it to their customers.

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

So those computer shops that does custom builds aren't a business then? They need video cards too for their builds so they can sell it to their customers.

*le sigh* Yes they are businesses that buy the GPU. I don't what your point is. I'm talking about AMD/Nvidia. It doesn't mean jack shit to them if you buy their gpu, a business buys their gpu or a miner buys their gpu. At the manufacturer level a sale is a sale. the manufacturers don't care if your local shop doesn't have a GPU they are selling their stock either way.

 

It filters down too. For example the computer shop you mentioned doesn't care who you are or why you want it they just want to sell you the computer because from a business perspective a sale is a sale.

[Simon771]

1 hour ago, zMeul said:

if you live in the US, sure

but EVGA is not something widely available internationally and most of the times there's a mark-up

and 2ndly, EVGA themselves have produced some shit - specifically the Pascal fiasco

I live in EU, and I had no problem with sending my GPU back and getting new one.

Yes I know there was problem with Pascal ACX 3.0 coolers, and VRM overheating. They offered RMA to all those cards free of charge and they fixed the problem very fast.

 

Anyway you can use Pascal "gaming" GPUs for mining and then just selling them as used hardware without any problems. At least those are my experiences.

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

*le sigh* Yes they are businesses that buy the GPU. I don't what your point is. I'm talking about AMD/Nvidia. It doesn't mean jack shit to them if you buy their gpu, a business buys their gpu or a miner buys their gpu. At the manufacturer level a sale is a sale. the manufacturers don't care if your local shop doesn't have a GPU they are selling their stock either way.

 

It filters down too. For example the computer shop you mentioned doesn't care who you are or why you want it they just want to sell you the computer because from a business perspective a sale is a sale.

Well then from a business perspective, can't make any damn sales on their systems, cause a bunch of miners who can't look for some fucking real jobs, gobble up all the video cards that's out there.

This happened a while back during the R9-200 days and it was annoying as hell, not only for computer businesses, but also for individuals that really need a video card.

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Well then from a business perspective, can't make any damn sales on their systems, cause a bunch of miners who can't look for some fucking real jobs, gobble up all the video cards that's out there.

This happened a while back during the R9-200 days and it was annoying as hell, not only for computer businesses, but also for individuals that really need a video card.

I'm not denying that its annoying for the reasons mentioned. I'm saying at the end of the day the product is still selling and it is not up to the manufacturer to care who they sell to. The best a business can hope for is for their product to fly immediately off the shelves. If you sell a product as soon as you make it then that's a nice steady income stream for AMD which I am sure they are happy about. Which is why neither Nvidia or AMD will gimp their cards to prevent mining (which was the original thing I quoted you on).

[Devin92]

3 hours ago, zMeul said:

no one in their right mind buys cards that were used for mining

Can some one explain wuts wrong with card used for mining? As far as i know, it puts shiit ton of work on it and let it run 24/7. But with a descent cooling i dont see it will wear off the hardware that much except the fan?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

To be worth it these cards need to be heavily discounted.

That's not exactly what Nvidia did with Tesla...

Special GPUs for computational purposes aren't new, although they may be specific tweaks for mining. And they've always come at a price premium...

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

That's not exactly what Nvidia did with Tesla...

Special GPUs for computational purposes aren't new, although they may be specific tweaks for mining. And they've always come at a price premium...

Yes but the point of this (if it is even true) would be to get miners off the gaming cards to free up stock. To get them off the gaming cards you need to offer something much better at mining or something much cheaper than the gaming card. Otherwise for reasons I stated on the 1st page they will just buy the gaming card for its warranty and resale value.

[tom_w141]

9 minutes ago, Devin92 said:

Can some one explain wuts wrong with card used for mining? As far as i know, it puts shiit ton of work on it and let it run 24/7. But with a descent cooling i dont see it will wear off the hardware that much except the fan?

Nothing. Some like zMeul are "special" but the reason people wouldn't knowingly buy a card previously used for mining is because it has been ran so hard for so long so they assume it has less life left in it. Also if you read some zMeul responses they apparently set fire too!

[Teddy07]

Yeah well not worth it here in Germany. 23 cents per kW/h is an absolute ripoff

[TheRandomness]

7 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

?

You'd need to code the programs to run on that as the card itself already runs a version of Linux for itself. It'd be a pain to use anyway, and wouldn't net much as it only has 57-61 cores (with quad hyperthreading), and that's a tiny amount when you compare it to say an RX 580, which has 2304.
So basically, Nvidia's going to sell 'cheap' Teslas? And is AMD going to bring back FireStream?

[sazrocks]

1 hour ago, Devin92 said:

Can some one explain wuts wrong with card used for mining? As far as i know, it puts shiit ton of work on it and let it run 24/7. But with a descent cooling i dont see it will wear off the hardware that much except the fan?

 I think it's usually the caps that go, since those do tend to degrade from use. Still, it's unlikely unless you also mine on it.

[Jito463]

Assuming they do make these lower cost cards without displays, does anyone think it's possible to use them for a Crossfire/SLI configuration?  After all, you don't need video out for the second card.  Unless they strip that functionality out of the mining cards.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 hour ago, Jito463 said:

Assuming they do make these lower cost cards without displays, does anyone think it's possible to use them for a Crossfire/SLI configuration?  After all, you don't need video out for the second card.  Unless they strip that functionality out of the mining cards.

Everything is guess work right now but I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia put in a software limitation and AMD choose not to just for the sales and good PR.

 

Look at everything AMD has been doing lately, cheap, good performance and top notch features.

[NumLock21]

100% them cards will have ugly green pcb and some el cheapo 2 prong fan on it without PWM that blast at 9000rpm. No wonder for the puny 90 day warranty.

[Dabombinable]

*sigh* Try a 90 day warranty in Australia you pricks, see how far that gets you.

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

*sigh* Try a 90 day warranty in Australia you pricks, see how far that gets you.

Don't know. how far?

[Dabombinable]

6 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Don't know. how far?

The courts.

[Taf the Ghost]

They don't have to offer them for sale in a lot of countries. Even if they'll end up there.