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Apple Updates its Mac lineup: External GPU support, Kaby lake and a new iMac Pro

Just now, TechGod said:

I'm sorry. Did you just say that pros don't care about ECC?

Depends on the profession at what capacity their operations are operating at.

Pixar will care significantly about ECC memory. The small groups of animators being published by Mondo Media, not so much.

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Just now, Drak3 said:

Depends on the profession at what capacity their operations are operating at.

Pixar will care significantly about ECC memory. The small groups of animators being published by Mondo Media, not so much.

Apple traditionally sells to Hollywood, don't they? At least their pro machines. That and ECC memory is useful for scientific analysis and computing. 

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5 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Depends on the profession at what capacity their operations are operating at.

Pixar will care significantly about ECC memory. The small groups of animators being published by Mondo Media, not so much.

yup, my point also don't think Pixar is buying shitty i Macs that overheat doing a basic task. 

8 minutes ago, TechGod said:

I'm sorry. Did you just say that pros don't care about ECC?

 

LMAO!!!! Holy shit I'm dying over here

yes i did, for the most part, most consumers also don't care. 

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Just now, TechGod said:

Apple traditionally sells to Hollywood, don't they? At least their pro machines. That and ECC memory is useful for scientific analysis and computing. 

yup, those Windows and linux based render farms are all sold by apple. 

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1 minute ago, TechGod said:

Apple traditionally sells to Hollywood, don't they? At least their pro machines. That and ECC memory is useful for scientific analysis and computing. 

Apple happens to own Pixar, which haven't had a commercial flop since they acquired them, so it's no wonder that Pixar is a group of Apple loyalists in the professional setting. And since they've not had a flop, other high profile studios are likely to try to replicate that by replicating as many things Pixar does.

As for scientific computing, ECC is seen as a must have, but OSX is not. I believe Linux is prevalent there, and they typically spec out machines to fit their exact needs very closely.

3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

up, my point also don't think pixer is buying shitty i macs that overheat doing a basic task. 

Pixar uses iMacs as part of their productivity stack. They'd also use iPad Pros of it wasn't for the fact that that they cap out at just under 13", and there is no sufficient way to connect them to their render farms. So long as their render farms have the hardware for 99% of their work flow, they could use EA's servers potatoes for the clients.

 

Pixar's client systems are either exclusively Apple, or damn near.

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7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Apple happens to own Pixar,

i forgot about that

edit- pixer is owned by Disney now. 

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Makes me wonder what they're cooking up for the modular Mac Pro.

 

I'll stick to Hackintosh'ing because I don't need the stability and requirements a pro needs but this stuff is interesting to say to least. The space grey enclosure is really beautiful too. 

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2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Apple happens to own Pixar, which haven't had a commercial flop since they acquired them, so it's no wonder that Pixar is a group of Apple loyalists in the professional setting. And since they've not had a flop, other high profile studios are likely to try to replicate that by replicating as many things Pixar does.

As for scientific computing, ECC is seen as a must have, but OSX is not. I believe Linux is prevalent there, and they typically spec out machines to fit their exact needs very closely.

Pixar uses iMacs as part of their productivity stack. They'd also use iPad Pros of it wasn't for the fact that that they cap out at just under 13", and there is no sufficient way to connect them to their render farms. So long as their render farms have the hardware for 99% of their work flow, they could use EA's servers potatoes for the clients.

 

Pixar's client systems are either exclusively Apple, or damn near.

My point wasn't whether or not macOS was needed but rather that someone said that pros don't use ECC which is WRONG

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Just now, TechGod said:

My point wasn't whether or not macOS was needed but rather that someone said that pros don't use ECC which is WRONG

I don't think any blanket statement for or against ECC can be made. Some use it and some don't. It's both naive and just flat out wrong to say that "pros use ECC" or that "pros don't use ECC". 

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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Apple happens to own Pixar, which haven't had a commercial flop since they acquired them, so it's no wonder that Pixar is a group of Apple loyalists in the professional setting. And since they've not had a flop, other high profile studios are likely to try to replicate that by replicating as many things Pixar does.

As for scientific computing, ECC is seen as a must have, but OSX is not. I believe Linux is prevalent there, and they typically spec out machines to fit their exact needs very closely.

Pixar uses iMacs as part of their productivity stack. They'd also use iPad Pros of it wasn't for the fact that that they cap out at just under 13", and there is no sufficient way to connect them to their render farms. So long as their render farms have the hardware for 99% of their work flow, they could use EA's servers potatoes for the clients.

 

Pixar's client systems are either exclusively Apple, or damn near.

That isn't true. Steve Jobs helped create it but Pixar has been owned by Disney for years now.

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6 hours ago, WMGroomAK said:

Should be interesting to see how they decide to price this...  Best guesses in USD? (Mine are below)

 

iMac Pro: >$3500

iMac 27: >$2500

iMac 21: >$2000

 

About the best thing that I can see is it appears the Pro will be one of the first systems released to the public with Vega...

Nope, the base 8 core model starts at $5000

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1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

 

it will depend on the task at hand, most pros don't use ECC.   

But why is it a bad thing that Apple included it? You people complain when Apple is underpowered then also complain if they go overkill. Make up your damn mind

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Just now, TechGod said:

But why is it a bad thing that Apple included it? You people complain when Apple is underpowered then also complain if they go overkill. Make up your damn mind

how is ECC memory overkill? the iMac will thermal throttle, what's the point of having overkill specs if you are not able to use it? 

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Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

how is ECC memory overkill? the iMac will thermal throttle, what's the point of having overkill specs if you are not able to use it? 

How are you sure it will thermal throttle?

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6 hours ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Remember, that just gets you an 8-core.

 

You can sell your arm, leg, kids and house for the 18-core. Also, that's one hell of an underclock on the Vega GPU in here if it only does 22 TFLOPs HP when the stock version AMD has themselves does 25 TFLOPs.

Gotta keep it from melting somehow lol

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3 minutes ago, TechGod said:

How are you sure it will thermal throttle?

only history and the laws of thermodynamic tell me it will. do you have any idea how much heat an 18 core Xeon can put out? also, a Vega GPU, putting such high end components in a thin body without proper cooling seems dumb to me. imac-pro-thermal-100724910-orig.gif.4d5878e2388c1587841da1c5720d6334.gif

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6 minutes ago, TechGod said:

How are you sure it will thermal throttle?

Understanding the space constraints Apple's working under, it's a given that there will either be thermal throttling, or they'll have to use a cooling system that introduces excessive noise (and maybe draw excessive amounts of power). The render of their new design helps reinforce that it will throttle, but we don't know how much yet. It'd be a shame if the Xeon octocore Apple chose ends up performing as/worse than a lower tier hexacore (or worse, quadcore) counterpart due exclusively due to thermal throttling.

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No NVIDIA GPUs for the new Macs ?

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2 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

 

it will depend on the task at hand, most pros don't use ECC.   

I wouldn't say that. It depends on the industry. But I don't think most professional users who want ECC are really going want AIOs or macOS anyway...

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1 hour ago, hey_yo_ said:

No NVIDIA GPUs for the new Macs ?

No gaming :(

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The real problem is that AMD GPUs are not optimized for modern open source scientific computing. The most popular libraries, TensorFlow and Theano take advantage of cuda and AMD has no real response. That being said, I use a Macbook Pro and eGPU for prototyping, and it works really well. 

I have a 2019 macbook pro with 64gb of ram and my gaming pc has been in the closet since 2018

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I'll be getting this Mac since I won't have to worry about viruses, it'll sync up perfectly with the rest of my Apple products, and if anything goes wrong I can go to the GeniusBar. Have I mentioned that it just works?

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