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AMD trims pricing of the Ryzen 7 1700 and 1700X: 1700 for $319, 1700X for $349.

1 hour ago, cj09beira said:

but if as i believe R3 is the same die as the apu's they probably have the ability to have 2 channel memory, in the ryzen 7 die it only has one memory channel per ccx, but it might be different in the apus, and probably will as apus need lots of bandwidth

The leaked spec sheets that included the Ryzen 3s seem to point to them still being from the 2 CCX packages, but it's very possible we won't see those in the Consumer channels.  Those might end up being OEM only, given the complete lack of information for a while now.

 

It would make more sense to sell Consumer APUs from $79 to $149.  Though there's a funny little detail that there are, already, AM4-based APUs.  We've just not seen them in the non-OEM space. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-am4-socket-bristol-ridge-apu,32645.html  I came across that when I was checking something else out a few weeks back and found it rather funny.  Anyway, I think it's probably safe to assume that the space below the current Ryzen 5 1400 will probably be filled by the APU models, whether iGPU disabled or not.

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5 hours ago, Drak3 said:

No it wouldn't. You can completely disable the cores of the CCX, and leave an IMC and cache intact, though the second point is moot, the R3 lineup is supposedly equipped with only 8MB of cache.

I'm not sure the IMC can be active without a working CCX though, I'm not sure what would happen if all the cores are disabled. What kind of dependency there is on a core actually being there to do something etc.

 

I'm no CPU designer or fabrication expert but it sure looks like there is a dependency on the CCX for the IMC and that's why I wasn't surprised when AMD said they wouldn't do 4+0.

 

6 hours ago, Drak3 said:

An R3 can fit any role that a stock/slightly OC'd Haswell i5 can.

It can but I don't think it's going to be marketed at that or used in OEM product lines against i5's, plus I was more meaning a 4+0 variant with half the cache but at that time I wasn't even aware R3 was going to be half the L3 cache anyway so that whole point is useless :P.

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2 hours ago, leadeater said:

I'm not sure the IMC can be active without a working CCX though, I'm not sure what would happen if all the cores are disabled. What kind of dependency there is on a core actually being there to do something etc.

The IMC can operate independantly of the cores. 4+0 would leave the twin set of IMCs alone, and I believe the L3 cache is also left alone if you configure a board that supports the 4+0 downcore option to do 4+0.

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8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The IMC can operate independantly of the cores. 4+0 would leave the twin set of IMCs alone, and I believe the L3 cache is also left alone if you configure a board that supports the 4+0 downcore option to do 4+0.

How do you know that it can? Ryzen is dual CCX and dual channel memory, TR is quad CCX and quad channel memory, Naples is 8 CCX and 8 channel memory. Once you disable all cores in a CCX is the associated components still fully functional?

 

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None of this information says anything about cross CCX communication and what happens if all cores are disabled, is the L3 cache still usable? Can you actually access the IMC with an inactive CCX? There isn't anything saying yes or no but there is a clear indication of dependency and co-operation of the CCX and it's IMC.

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On 6/1/2017 at 0:44 PM, potoooooooo said:

There are plenty of reasons for a price cut.

 

First wave of sales dried up, it's down from release hype to standard stuff. They just want to drum up sales

They refined the production a bit. Maybe they're getting more for cheaper, might as well pass on some savings

They don't need the extra margin, now that they've had a ton of sales they cut back the price to keep them moving.

 

AMD is extremely poor right now, they can't afford to pass savings or take lower margins if they can avoid it.  Their margins are already somewhere around half of what Intel's are %-wise, so there's serious doubts they'll be able to invest enough in R&D to be competitive beyond the next year.

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14 hours ago, leadeater said:

Would have to be a very low end SKU to go with disabling a CCX though, would mean half the L3 cache and single channel memory. Not that there wouldn't be uses for such a CPU: Low end NAS's, Thin Clients, Embeded system controllers etc. Can think of a lot of uses for such a CPU but probably not much more than a high end tablet or an actually usable netbook.

Single-channel RAM immediately makes me think of a replacement for the AM1 platform ;) 

8 hours ago, Drak3 said:

 though the second point is moot, the R3 lineup is supposedly equipped with only 8MB of cache.

So does the 1400, but it's still 2 CCX apparently.

 

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

How do you know that it can? -snip- Once you disable all cores in a CCX is the associated components still fully functional?

Because the minimum and average framerates in the TechPowerup report of quad core simulation are the same, or the single CCX enabled chip pulled slightly ahead. That wouldn't happen if the 4+0 was limited to only 1 IMC. Technically speaking, disabling a CCX is just disabling cores.

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

So does the 1400, but it's still 2 CCX apparently.

Technically speaking, it has to have 2 CCX modules because the entire Ryzen CPU lineup is all based off of a single die. But it doesn't strictly have to be 2+2 or 4+0, just so long as there are 4 cores. I understand maintaining consistancy amongst product lines, but that doesn't mean that there can't be a product line that is just 4+0 chips, especially if there's a significant number of chips with defunct cores on one CCX, and the other is perfectly operational.

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@Drak3

Never mind seems some of the die layouts are labeled incorrectly.

 

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Two CCXes come together to create an eight-core Ryzen 7 die (image below), and they communicate via AMD’s Infinity Fabric interconnect. The CCXes also share the same memory controller.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,5014-2.html

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Because the minimum and average framerates in the TechPowerup report of quad core simulation are the same, or the single CCX enabled chip pulled slightly ahead. That wouldn't happen if the 4+0 was limited to only 1 IMC. Technically speaking, disabling a CCX is just disabling cores.

Problem with that is it's a simulation not using the real chip, if you on purpose disable all the cores on only 1 CCX you'll get that result. They are only demonstrating a point not a product, a point that is true however no question about that.

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Every time I see one of these threads I go "Huh? But its been ~$30 less than that for months...." because I forget other people don't basically live at microcenter every day :P

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27 minutes ago, Rune said:

Every time I see one of these threads I go "Huh? But its been ~$30 less than that for months...." because I forget other people don't basically live at microcenter every day :P

I wish MC would do online ordering.  I'd love that.  

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Bill Roberson/Digital Trends

AMD’s angle when promoting its new Ryzen desktop processors involves showing customers how much performance customers will see for the price. The company talked for months about how its fastest, eight-core chip barely outperformed a similar chip produced by Intel, but for half the cost. Now just over three months after Ryzen’s arrival, that performance/price ratio just got better thanks to a price reduction of the three high-end Ryzen 7 desktop processors from AMD.

Here they are via Newegg:

  Ryzen 7 1800X Ryzen 7 1700X Ryzen 7 1700
New price: $450 $350 $315
Previous price: $500 $400 $330
Architecture: Zen Zen Zen
Cores: 8 8 8
Threads: 16 16 16
Total L1 cache: 768KB 768KB 768KB
Total L2 cache: 4MB 4MB 4MB
Total L3 cache: 16MB 16MB 16MB
Base speed: 3.6GHz 3.4GHz 3.0GHz
Boost speed: 4.0GHz 3.8GHz 3.7GHz
Power usage: 95 watts 95 watts 65 watts


Or thats what they say but i found one at newegg around 300,-  : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113428&Tpk=19-113-428

This is awesome marketing! 
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1 hour ago, Goildzy said:

Bill Roberson/Digital Trends

AMD’s angle when promoting its new Ryzen desktop processors involves showing customers how much performance customers will see for the price. The company talked for months about how its fastest, eight-core chip barely outperformed a similar chip produced by Intel, but for half the cost. Now just over three months after Ryzen’s arrival, that performance/price ratio just got better thanks to a price reduction of the three high-end Ryzen 7 desktop processors from AMD.

Here they are via Newegg:

  Ryzen 7 1800X Ryzen 7 1700X Ryzen 7 1700
New price: $450 $350 $315
Previous price: $500 $400 $330
Architecture: Zen Zen Zen
Cores: 8 8 8
Threads: 16 16 16
Total L1 cache: 768KB 768KB 768KB
Total L2 cache: 4MB 4MB 4MB
Total L3 cache: 16MB 16MB 16MB
Base speed: 3.6GHz 3.4GHz 3.0GHz
Boost speed: 4.0GHz 3.8GHz 3.7GHz
Power usage: 95 watts 95 watts 65 watts


Or thats what they say but i found one at newegg around 300,-  : https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113428&Tpk=19-113-428

This is awesome marketing! 

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The claim AMD are dropping pricing has been circulating for about a day now, but I've yet to see anywhere that it is from AMD themselves. Absent that evidence, it is more likely this is simply Ryzen supply reaching or passing adequacy, and pricing wars between vendors will start to drive pricing down. 

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So the price didn't.. ryze? 

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24 minutes ago, porina said:

The claim AMD are dropping pricing has been circulating for about a day now, but I've yet to see anywhere that it is from AMD themselves. Absent that evidence, it is more likely this is simply Ryzen supply reaching or passing adequacy, and pricing wars between vendors will start to drive pricing down. 

You seem very wise, especially with your profile picture....

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32 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

im so glad im putting off my upgrade.

Yes lets both have some tea and wait for all new goodies :) Yumz threadrippers and i9's ow look vegas and voltas?! OW HECK 2017 Q3 ryzen R3's . 

Sec ill grab popcorn too!

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44 minutes ago, porina said:

The claim AMD are dropping pricing has been circulating for about a day now, but I've yet to see anywhere that it is from AMD themselves. Absent that evidence, it is more likely this is simply Ryzen supply reaching or passing adequacy, and pricing wars between vendors will start to drive pricing down. 

You are kidding right? 

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13 minutes ago, Goildzy said:

Yes lets both have some tea and wait for all new goodies :) Yumz threadrippers and i9's ow look vegas and voltas?! OW HECK 2017 Q3 ryzen R3's . 

Sec ill grab popcorn too!

:)

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Just now, domandric034 said:

:)

The only sad thing is I am mostly using PC for virtualization and gaming and I got i5 6600k (Jumped from A8-3870K) and I could wait R5 1600 or R7 1700

And even complain on that rig? :) but yes the 1700=where my eyes look at, but with the 1700x dropping i have more headroom for oc in the future (i hope), omg i love amd atm! Let the wars start, and hopefully amd can keep up. I wonder what intel will do with their prices, but then again it wouldnt matter. Most productivity goes to companies obv. But for me it matters , imagine chips like 7700k being aorund 250, I wish ?! Or the vega being just below a 1080gtx performance, at a better price rate intel is forced to lower cards like 1080(ti), if not they would be silly and ill buy whatever is price/performance comfortable.

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Just now, Goildzy said:

And even complain on that rig? :) but yes the 1700=where my eyes look at, but with the 1700x dropping i have more headroom for oc in the future (i hope), omg i love amd atm! Let the wars start, and hopefully amd can keep up. I wonder what intel will do with their prices, but then again it wouldnt matter. Most productivity goes to companies obv. But for me it matters , imagine chips like 7700k being aorund 250, I wish ?! Or the vega being just below a 1080gtx performance, at a better price rate intel is forced to lower cards like 1080(ti), if not they would be silly and ill buy whatever is price/performance comfortable.

I have complain :)

It doesnt have enough cores xD I had to get VM server so I balanced everything 

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8 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

I have complain :)

It doesnt have enough cores xD I had to get VM server so I balanced everything 

Couldnt agree more on VM based machines. You might have warranty still? These cores are insane i love it ! If you can hold a little long a threadripper might be yours one day! HA i bet you cant wait just like me

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That's pretty nice. Great prices for 8 cores.

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