Intel’s Plan to Thunderbolt 3 All of the Things

[WolRamAlpha12]

Wired Article

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NEARLY TWO YEARS ago, Intel gave a major boost to Thunderbolt, its zippy hardware interface, by embracing USB-C, the do-it-all port that will eventually eat the world. Now, the company’s attempting another kickstart, this time focusing on making Thunderbolt available to anyone who wants it.

Intel Editorial

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In addition to Intel’s Thunderbolt silicon, next year Intel plans to make the Thunderbolt protocol specification available to the industry under a nonexclusive, royalty-free license. Releasing the Thunderbolt protocol specification in this manner is expected to greatly increase Thunderbolt adoption by encouraging third-party chip makers to build Thunderbolt-compatible chips. We expect industry chip development to accelerate a wide range of new devices and user experiences.

 

So hyped, this should help proliferation of both Type-C and Thunderbolt 3. Looking forward to a uniform port on basically all laptops. RIP type A.

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[MrMcMuffinJr]

I hope they dont. people still use type A regularly, and I dont think they are ready to switch

[Silentprototipe]

Ohh my, this could be nice. What about the people like me holding on to 6 year old systems? Hell all I got is USB 2.0. Also does that royalty free license allow AMD to use it then? Because up until hopefully now Thunderbolt is a Intel thing only 

[Technomancer__]

2 minutes ago, Name Taken said:

Everywhere except places with AMD.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=thunderbolt card&Submit=ENE

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, WolRamAlpha12 said:

RIP type A.

TYPE A WILL NEVER DIE OVER MY DEAD BODY!

[NumLock21]

Finally, my usb c flash drive can be put to good use.

Yay!

[WolRamAlpha12]

3 minutes ago, Name Taken said:

Everywhere except places with AMD.

Sorry if I'm being slow but 

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available to the industry under a nonexclusive, royalty-free license. Releasing the Thunderbolt protocol specification in this manner is expected to greatly increase Thunderbolt adoption by encouraging third-party chip makers to build Thunderbolt-compatible chips

 

[Mr.Humble]

8 minutes ago, WolRamAlpha12 said:

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@WolRamAlpha12 could you please make the post night-theme-user friendly?

[Valentyn]

5 minutes ago, Ethocreeper said:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=thunderbolt card&Submit=ENE

 

That still needs a thunderbolt header on the motherboard to work. The only way it'l work on an AMD system is if a mobo maker licenses and buys the support for it.

 

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If motherboard has ACI thunderbolt header good BUT that does not mean it supports Thunderbolt 3. It needs a PCI Express 3.0 x4 slot On x99 motherboards, Most come with (but not all) a pci express 2.0 x4 which supports Thunderbolt 2. The Z170 and Z270 have a PCI Express 3.0 x4 slot which should support Thunderbolt 3. I think most of these card are Only supported on PCH PCIe lanes along with the bios of the motherboard

 

[WolRamAlpha12]

5 minutes ago, vojta.pokorny said:

@WolRamAlpha12 could you please make the post night-theme-user friendly?

Do you mean just click remove format button or is there something else? Sorry, I don't visit often.

[Mr.Humble]

1 minute ago, WolRamAlpha12 said:

Do you mean just click remove format button or is there something else? Sorry, I don't visit often.

yeah that should do it. Don't forget to highlight the quoted text tho.

[WolRamAlpha12]

3 minutes ago, vojta.pokorny said:

yeah that should do it. Don't forget to highlight the quoted text tho.

Is it fixed now?

[Sniperfox47]

Yay! This means in 2020ish we should be able to look forward to Thunderbolt for AMD and Thunderbolt for Qualcomm! EGPU for my Android/Fuschia tablet? ^.^

[Princess Luna]

USB Type A because everything I use has it, Display Port and HDMI are fine enough for video.

[captain cactus]

This is exactly why USB-C should just die off right now with no parade or farewell. Just kill it already before you have even more non-compatible standards on the same bloody port creating even more customer confusion on what does and doesn't work with the same port.

"Oh, you want to plug in your shiny Thunderbolt external drive to this MacBook? Well screw you, I ain't doing diddly jack even though my connector fits just fine."

 

Come up with the stuff you're putting into a port before you release the port to the public and then decide to add shit later on.

[Sniperfox47]

13 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

"Oh, you want to plug in your shiny Thunderbolt external drive to this MacBook? Well screw you, I ain't doing diddly jack even though my connector fits just fine."

...that had absolutely nothing to do with Thunderbolt 3 and everything to do with apple being asshats and blacklisting certain thunderbolt 3 controllers in their OS. If you went through and removed their blacklist they functioned fine.

 

Likewise thunderbolt 3 is completely compatible with USB type-C. PCI-E is not.

 

Every single device I've seen on the market so far with a thunderbolt 3 port, other than the MacBook Pro 2017, has had the port clearly labelled as a thunderbolt port. Likewise every non-phone port I've seen that supports DisplayPort alt-mode has had that clearly labelled with the DisplayPort logo as well. The only reason phones get a pass is because they are physically too small to fit the logo clearly next to the port.

 

Every USB-C accessory will work with every USB-C port.

 

DisplayPort accessories will only work with DisplayPort ports (ports with the DisplayPort logo next to them).

 

Thunderbolt 3 accessories (that is to say, accessories that use PCIe) will only work with Thunderbolt 3 ports (ports with the Thunderbolt logo next to them).

 

It's no more confusing than the old system, it just relies on reading logos rather than users trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Zodiark1593]

51 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

This is exactly why USB-C should just die off right now with no parade or farewell. Just kill it already before you have even more non-compatible standards on the same bloody port creating even more customer confusion on what does and doesn't work with the same port.

"Oh, you want to plug in your shiny Thunderbolt external drive to this MacBook? Well screw you, I ain't doing diddly jack even though my connector fits just fine."

 

Come up with the stuff you're putting into a port before you release the port to the public and then decide to add shit later on.

Tbh, USB-C should focus it's proliferation on mobile devices such as phones and tablets as it's greatest strengths can be fully utilized there, and it's weaknesses (non-compatible standards) can be mitigated.

[GoodBytes]

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You don't explain the news, you have to dig the quote to know, and the title is non-descriptive.

 

As a result, it has been moved out, until it is a fixed.

[RX78-2]

I want type C to take over as quickly as possible, but don't worry type A fans, the chances that it goes anywhere in the near future is negligible. It will coexist. As proof, where have VGA and DVI gone? Until very recently and even now all video cards supported them, and business laptops still have VGA.

[Drak3]

Just now, RX78-2 said:

I want type C to take over as quickly as possible,

Couldn't disagree with you more. To me, Type-C is a solution searching for a (real) problem. And it only really creates more problems, with Type-C being the connector for ThunderBolt 3, another connector for DisplayPort, and another connector for USB, it creates confusion as to which port does what (making them all do everything isn't feasible and expensive), and it's just the right size for mobile devices to get foreign materials lodged frequently. With Micro-B, the connector was too small for things like sand and lint to actually get lodged in short amounts of time, and with type-A, it was too large most things to get lodged under most circumstances.

 

I'd rather Type-C die off.

[RX78-2]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Couldn't disagree with you more. To me, Type-C is a solution searching for a (real) problem. And it only really creates more problems, with Type-C being the connector for ThunderBolt 3, another connector for DisplayPort, and another connector for USB, it creates confusion as to which port does what (making them all do everything isn't feasible and expensive), and it's just the right size for mobile devices to get foreign materials lodged frequently. With Micro-B, the connector was too small for things like sand and lint to actually get lodged in short amounts of time, and with type-A, it was too large most things to get lodged under most circumstances.

If you are truly worried about grit get covers. I've had rice clog audio ports, little stones clog A ports, etc.

 

I think confusion arises from simply being too used to the status quo. There really isn't anything to be too confused about. Much less than the confusion over what cables and ports to do things as it is now for most non-technical minded people.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, RX78-2 said:

If you are truly worried about grit get covers.

Not feasible for most people, myself included. It's also not nearly as big an issue with Micro-B or Type-A.

2 minutes ago, RX78-2 said:

I think confusion arises from simply being too used to the status quo.

The status quo is such as it is because it explicitly avoids confusion of which port does what, even with a lack of documentation provided by the manufacturer. An HDMI port carries HDMI/HDCP compliant video signal. DisplayPort carries Displayport video signal. USB carries data and power in a standard that is refined to a 't', and the only time a conventional type-A port doesn't carry data, is when its on a power brick. Every USB alternative mode, prior to Type-C, used a proprietary connector (and was used exclusively for docks), with the exception of MHL. MHL was exclusive to phones, and not a widely used feature.

 

But Type-C carries DisplayPort video. It doesn't carry DisplayPort video. It carries HDMI. It doesn't carry HDMI. It's Thunderbolt 3. It isn't Thunderbolt 3. Hell, Type-C doesn't even get a 100% consistent mate to a USB standard when it's just a USB port, it can be 2.0, 3.0, 3.1 Gen 1, or 3.1 Gen 2. Without documentation, most people cannot be sure which ports do what, and not every device gets that vital documentation (not that many people actually read it).

[RX78-2]

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Not feasible for most people, myself included. It's also not nearly as big an issue with Micro-B or Type-A.

Not feasible? They are a dime a dozen on Amazon and stuff.

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

The status quo is such as it is because it explicitly avoids confusion of which port does what, even with a lack of documentation provided by the manufacturer.

Only because you are used to it.

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

An HDMI port carries HDMI/HDCP compliant video signal.

Except when it doesn't because the HDMI version is different or the host/receiving device doesn't support the correct HDCP version.

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

DisplayPort carries Displayport video signal.

But then quite easily mistaken for HDMI for similar purpose and shape by many

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

USB carries data and power in a standard that is refined to a 't', and the only time a conventional type-A port doesn't carry data, is when its on a power brick.

Or when the hardware doesn't support the USB device due to drivers or something

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

Every USB alternative mode, prior to Type-C, used a proprietary connector (and was used exclusively for docks), with the exception of MHL. MHL was exclusive to phones, and not a widely used feature.

Proprietary is generally frowned upon too, because it adds unnecessary complexity and more expensive cables/peripherals.

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

But Type-C ... Without documentation, most people cannot be sure which ports do what, and not every device gets that vital documentation (not that many people actually read it).

Which I hope I showed that it isn't that much more or less complicated than the status quo

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On 24-5-2017 at 4:56 PM, MrMcMuffinJr said:

I hope they dont. people still use type A regularly, and I dont think they are ready to switch

fuck em. usb c to usb a docks will still be a thing and they won't be expensive either.