For those who wanted to build G4560 System, here's the solution.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

If you want to go straight to the topic

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtRjQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtRjQV/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.99 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($61.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.33 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card  ($122.76 @ Jet) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Lite 3 (Windowless) MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($44.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $428.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 10:45 EDT-0400

 

"Response from builder about the "Potential Incompatibilities"

Hi, thanks! And yes, that warning is something you should keep in mind. For the G4560 to work in the H110 motherboard, the right BIOS is needed. If you'll be buying the board in a real shop and can check the serial number on the box, see my post for a trick to tell if the right BIOS is already installed. If you are ordering online, that's probably OK too, since new boards should now come with the right BIOS. But, if your board doesn't (if you somehow get older stock, for instance) then you'll need to update the BIOS yourself. There are a few ways to do this. All involve some hassle and expense. If you hit that problem when you eventually do your build, I'd be happy to help, but my guess is you won't and it'll all go smoothly."

 

I hope this helps you! Yes, you low budget PC Master Race!

 

 

[Bananasplit_00]

id stick a RX 570 in there but other then that its pretty good tbh, good PSU even

[Guest]

Or there is an easier way, that is if your mobo is high end

 

[79wjd]

Or for just $10 more you can get a B250 board and not have to worry about the bios version. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KWjWGX/asrock-b250m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-hdv

[flibberdipper]

12 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Or for just $10 more you can get a B250 board and not have to worry about the bios version. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KWjWGX/asrock-b250m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-hdv

BUT MEH STARBUCKS

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

BUT MEH STARBUCKS

I would never pay more than $10 for a starbucks

[FakeNSA]

5 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

I would never pay more than $10 for a starbucks

But a starbucks a day makes your pc budget go away!

 

For me, at least.

[Zusafek]

1 hour ago, Aelar_Nailo said:

But a starbucks a day makes your pc budget go away!

 

For me, at least.

Starbucks? I can't even go on there and feel good about myself. I'll stick to either simple black coffee or Cuban coffee. Either way it's cheaper and I don't have to sound like a douche when I order. 

[WkdPaul]

The thread was moved to the New Builds & Planning section

[Ordinarily_Greater]

1 minute ago, wkdpaul said:

The thread was moved to the New Builds & Planning section

this isn't my build so I thought it can be as general discussion. But thank you for your correction!

[WkdPaul]

Just now, Ordinarily_Greater said:

this isn't my build so I thought it can be as general discussion. But thank you for your correction!

I know, but build suggestions should go in this section, that's why I moved it

 

Thanks for the work BTW.

[GrayTech]

2 hours ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($59.99 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: Asus - H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($50.99 @ Newegg) 

Don't pair a G4560 with a H110 board. This board will not support this GPU out of the box. And some H110 boards maybe don't even support it at all, even after a bios update! Replace the board with a B250 one.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

1 minute ago, GrayTech said:

Don't pair a G4560 with a H110 board. This board will not support this GPU out of the box. And some H110 boards maybe don't even support it at all, even after a bios update! Replace the board with a B250 one.

That's his original build (Sensible_Systems) on PCPP, but I still gave him a shoutout for his build

[flibberdipper]

2 hours ago, Aelar_Nailo said:

But a starbucks a day makes your pc budget go away!

 

For me, at least.

PC budget? Might as well take out a damn loan just to get that month's worth of starbucks...

[sensys gaming]

Thanks for highlighting this build!

 

Good points came up in the comments. Just a quick note about the price issue.

 

The H110 vs B250 price difference depends on where you're shopping. In Australia - home sweet home for me - it is at least $20 and often more.

 

If the extra cost is no big deal for someone, of course, they should get a B250 and be done with it.

 

But for the budget-conscious, it's a question of what worth having that extra buys you: the answer, I think, is 'not much'.

 

This is especially true if that money could instead buy something you need/want: a wireless card, a DVD drive, even just a new game on Steam sale!

 

The budget build is all about spending limited funds well. 

 

As for the "won't support the GPU [sic] out of the box" comment, come on man, please read the thing you're commenting on. 

 

Thanks again for the shout-out, and I'm glad if the build guide helps some folks.

[79wjd]

11 hours ago, sensys gaming said:

Thanks for highlighting this build!

 

Good points came up in the comments. Just a quick note about the price issue.

 

The H110 vs B250 price difference depends on where you're shopping. In Australia - home sweet home for me - it is at least $20 and often more.

 

If the extra cost is no big deal for someone, of course, they should get a B250 and be done with it.

 

But for the budget-conscious, it's a question of what worth having that extra buys you: the answer, I think, is 'not much'.

 

This is especially true if that money could instead buy something you need/want: a wireless card, a DVD drive, even just a new game on Steam sale!

 

The budget build is all about spending limited funds well. 

 

As for the "won't support the GPU [sic] out of the box" comment, come on man, please read the thing you're commenting on. 

 

Thanks again for the shout-out, and I'm glad if the build guide helps some folks.

Ummmm an H110 board has a decent chance to NOT support a G4560 without a bios update -- and in order to update the bios you need a Skylake CPU. 

[sensys gaming]

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1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

Ummmm an H110 board has a decent chance to NOT support a G4560 without a bios update -- and in order to update the bios you need a Skylake CPU. 

Please read the first post. 

[79wjd]

2 hours ago, sensys gaming said:

Please read the first post. 

I did, and I stand by my comment.

[sensys gaming]

6 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

I did, and I stand by my comment.

In that case, I'm confused.

I explained the BIOS issue. I described a neat trick to check if the ASUS H110M-A/m.2 board is compatible right out of the box. And I said that if the board doesn't have a recent-enough BIOS version (post-September 2016) then it'll need to be updated to work with the G4560.

So I'm not seeing what your comment adds to the discussion.

You did say updating the BIOS would require a Skylake CPU. That's not true. It's one way to do it. There are others. Another is to replace the BIOS chip. That's cheaper, if a bit more work.

 

(I wouldn't actually recommend that method. I'm just being pedantic 'cause I'm mildly annoyed!)

To be clear: if someone grabs a random H110 board then yes, it makes sense to say that it "has a decent chance to NOT support a G4560", but that's not the case here. 

[79wjd]

3 hours ago, sensys gaming said:

In that case, I'm confused.

I explained the BIOS issue. I described a neat trick to check if the ASUS H110M-A/m.2 board is compatible right out of the box. And I said that if the board doesn't have a recent-enough BIOS version (post-September 2016) then it'll need to be updated to work with the G4560.

So I'm not seeing what your comment adds to the discussion.

You did say updating the BIOS would require a Skylake CPU. That's not true. It's one way to do it. There are others. Another is to replace the BIOS chip. That's cheaper, if a bit more work.

 

(I wouldn't actually recommend that method. I'm just being pedantic 'cause I'm mildly annoyed!)

To be clear: if someone grabs a random H110 board then yes, it makes sense to say that it "has a decent chance to NOT support a G4560", but that's not the case here. 

Yes if you have access to the actual box then you can look for the revision number (if applicable) or look up the serial number (what about fit a non Asus board? Maybe that board is $20 more than an MSI h110 board), but most people buy online and calling customer support is a gamble considering the mental capacity of most customer support employees. So you're suggesting a build which could potentially cause the majority of buyers a big headache and return shipping costs. You just don't save enough to warrant not getting a chipset that is guaranteed to work.

 

You could also choose your own bios while you're at it..... But clearly that's a stupid comment.

[sensys gaming]

16 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

Yes if you have access to the actual box then you can look for the revision number (if applicable) or look up the serial number (what about fit a non Asus board? Maybe that board is $20 more than an MSI h110 board), but most people buy online and calling customer support is a gamble considering the mental capacity of most customer support employees. So you're suggesting a build which could potentially cause the majority of buyers a big headache and return shipping costs. You just don't save enough to warrant not getting a chipset that is guaranteed to work.

 

You could also choose your own bios while you're at it..... But clearly that's a stupid comment.

Yes, that is a method that works if you have access to the actual box. As I said in the original post. Which you say you read but which it really seems you didn't, or at least not closely enough to be contributing usefully here.

Another thing I've already said is that the savings depend on where and when you are buying your parts. If the saving really is minimal, either in absolute terms or relative ones (meaning, that amount of money, whatever it is, just doesn't matter to you), then, again as I've already said, just get a B250.

C'mon man, I don't even know why we're arguing here. I think you think I'm suggesting something I'm not, namely, going and blindly buying a H110 board in the hope it'll just work. But that's not what I'm doing at all.

The ASUS board in the build was a carefully considered choice. It was one of the H110 boards that did get a Kaby Lake compatibility BIOS update (not all did). It is a nicely-featured H110 board in its own right, in particular because of the m.2 slot (a relative rarity in this part of the market, and one that runs at PCIe Gen 2.0 x4 is even nicer still.) So yes, this build and my advice work for that specific model, but that's *all* it was ever meant to do!

I should add: even if you cannot check the serial number on the box, or if you are buying some other brand for which my trick doesn't work, you can look up the dates that the relevant BIOS updates were released and get some idea of how old a board would have to be to *not* have a Kaby Lake-compatible BIOS. In the H110M-A/m.2 case, the BIOS update came out in September last year, so going on nine months ago, meaning you'd have to get stock older than that to get stuck with an incompatible board out of the box. Maybe you would get unlucky, but very probably not if you're buying from a high-turnover seller (e.g. Amazon). If you did get unlucky, then as I said:

 

On 24/05/2017 at 0:48 AM, Ordinarily_Greater said:

then you'll need to update the BIOS yourself. There are a few ways to do this. All involve some hassle and expense.

 

So right from the start I was giving the warning you seem to think folks now need.

 

[Guest]

Build seems good but, i'd recommend an ssd instead of a mechanical hard drive