So I lost the Silicon Lottery, considering a delid .. need some advice.

[mrzoltowski]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

in my 1st post I told you 99% of what to do apart from the specific thermal adhesive you should buy. I later went on to say an easier solution now that you have explained what you use the computer for would be to return it and get a 1700. How is that useless/off topic?

You expect me to return a CPU, Motherboard and Ram, wait for a AM4 Bracket from NZXT pay for return shipping just to get a Ryzen? 

I use my computer for both GAMING and my work. I chose something that fitted me best. And because I have a K processor I want to play with it also, is this too much to ask?

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I couldn't agree more!

Not really, he pretty much got an answer in the 1st couple of posts. Everyone assumed this was for gaming and then he said it wasn't. When information changed the people responding in the thread changed their advice. why perform a risky delid on a CPU that won't do the tasks you need as well as a soldered off the shelf 1700?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, mrzoltowski said:

You expect me to return a CPU, Motherboard and Ram, wait for a AM4 Bracket from NZXT pay for return shipping just to get a Ryzen? 

I use my computer for both GAMING and my work. I chose something that fitted me best. And because I have a K processor I want to play with it also, is this too much to ask?

And Ryzen might not perform better  If you use Photoshop, After Effects etc. The 7700K is way faster 

[mrzoltowski]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You were quite wrong, Ryzen even games better than Intel to be frank, the minimums are much better, 1% and 0.1% lows considered as well, it also runs much more butter smooth while allowing twice as much multi-tasking than the i7 7700k manages, oh you have no idea the size of my regret for building my PC on february and going with the i7 7700, I wish every day I had a R5 1600x for personal computer from how much more love I have for the 1800x

Again you seem quite judgemental. Sigh .... will ask for advice somwhere else, this thread has turned into an AMD vs Intel debate once more. Cheers folks.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, mrzoltowski said:

Again you seem quite judgemental. Sigh .... will ask for advice somwhere else, this thread has turned into an AMD vs Intel debate once more. Cheers folks.

A better cost-to-benefit discussion is no AMD vs Intel debate for what is worth.

 

Cheers.

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, mrzoltowski said:

Again you seem quite judgemental. Sigh .... will ask for advice somwhere else, this thread has turned into an AMD vs Intel debate once more. Cheers folks.

i wouldn't use glue and just secure it with the socket bracket 

(haven't done it myself)

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, mrzoltowski said:

You expect me to return a CPU, Motherboard and Ram, wait for a AM4 Bracket from NZXT pay for return shipping just to get a Ryzen? 

Both use DDR4 RAM so no you don't need to return that. NZXT ship the brackets for free... + they are available as standard on the new coolers so depends when you bought your kraken. Return shipping is that still a thing? I'm in the UK and have never paid return shipping.

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I use my computer for both GAMING and my work. I chose something that fitted me best.

So do I and I'm sorry but you didn't. A 7700k is by no means a workstation CPU the 1700 is a no brainer choice here, it games well and is workstation grade for productivity.

 

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And because I have a K processor I want to play with it also, is this too much to ask?

well according to intel? Yes it is..  

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-suggests-core-i7-7700k-users-stop-overclocking-to-prevent-temp-spikes

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Not really, he pretty much got an answer in the 1st couple of posts. Everyone assumed this was for gaming and then he said it wasn't. When information changed the people responding in the thread changed their advice. why perform a risky delid on a CPU that won't do the tasks you need as well as a soldered off the shelf 1700?

If I am not mistake the question he asked was:

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So I lost the Silicon Lottery, considering a delid .. need some advice.

not:

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Should I buy a 7700K or a 1700?

 

[tom_w141]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

If I am not mistake the question he asked was:

not:

 

I addressed both but changed my opinion when he said it was for work. Still pretty topical IMO

[spadz93]

I used a rockit 88 block to delid my 4790k. I definitely got some better temps, but ultimately I was nearing my voltage vs. clock speed threshold and had to pump way too many volts in to get past a 200mhz difference to the point where the noise from the fans was just getting far too annoying for the extra 100mhz (for the record, this puts me at 4.8 vs 4.9). Your mileage may vary. I also used loctite gel glue, but then again I don't plan on delidding this processor again (if and when it dies, it will be replaced)

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

So do I and I'm sorry but you didn't. A 7700k is by no means a workstation CPU the 1700 is a no brainer choice here, it games well and is workstation grade for productivity.

Yes it is a workstation CPU, it just depends on the software you use

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

well according to intel? Yes it is..  

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-suggests-core-i7-7700k-users-stop-overclocking-to-prevent-temp-spikes

No, Intel said: If you don't want your CPU to run hot, don't overclock it, because overclocking voids your warranty and makes your CPU run hot.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If I am not mistake the question he asked was:

He asked advice towards delidding the i7 7700k for a specific gain, people adviced that he would rather see much more gain by going with the 1700 over delidding... it ain't completely wrong ya know?

 

Besides Photoshop 2017 does take advantage of fast single cores, yes, but that would require you having solely the Photoshop opened, which most content creators usually have a lot more applications open at the same time and Ryzen clearly has much superior multi-tasking.... we could be here discussing this forever, but I got work to do now so:

 

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, spadz93 said:

I used a rockit 88 block to delid my 4790k. I definitely got some better temps, but ultimately I was nearing my voltage vs. clock speed threshold and had to pump way too many volts in to get past a 200mhz difference to the point where the noise from the fans was just getting far too annoying for the extra 100mhz (for the record, this puts me at 4.8 vs 4.9). Your mileage may vary. I also used loctite gel glue, but then again I don't plan on delidding this processor again (if and when it dies, it will be replaced)

@mrzoltowski This will be your best answer so far if you are ignoring the Ryzen advice, though take note it pretty much follows exactly what @Princess Cadence said regarding gains

[Masada02]

Having not delidded anything myself, what's wrong with taking the IHS off and just not using it anymore? I assume it's just the risk of chipping the die itself like back in the days when IHS's weren't a thing, but it seems like you'd get a lot more performance running your cooler in direct contact with the die.

[DocSwag]

16 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

You were quite wrong, Ryzen even games better than Intel to be frank, the minimums are much better, 1% and 0.1% lows considered as well, it also runs much more butter smooth while allowing twice as much multi-tasking than the i7 7700k manages, oh you have no idea the size of my regret for building my PC on february and going with the i7 7700, I wish every day I had a R5 1600x for personal computer from how much more love I have for the 1800x

R7 doesn't have higher mins than 7700k, only applies to r5 vs i5

 

Calling in more experts rn @Lays @MageTank (done12many2 already was mentioned so not getting him in)

[spadz93]

1 minute ago, Masada02 said:

Having not delidded anything myself, what's wrong with taking the IHS off and just not using it anymore? I assume it's just the risk of chipping the die itself like back in the days when IHS's weren't a thing, but it seems like you'd get a lot more performance running your cooler in direct contact with the die.

You need new sockets since there would be a clearance issue (chip vs cooler), and you also run the risk of shorting out any small exposed components on the die itself

[vong]

45 minutes ago, mrzoltowski said:

Hey folks so I have had this i7700K for 3 weeks now. It has been running at stock for most of the time at around 67-69c (did a few experiments with overclocking) .. then managed to OC it to 4.8Ghz .... and boy does it get hot (high 80's-90's). At first I thought, maybe my AIO is bad at cooling the temps. So I took the CPU to a friend who has a water-cooled test bench. After a bit of testing he told me "You lost the lottery mate, de-lid that sucker".

 

So I have ordered liquid metal by Coollaboratory and the de-lidding tool. (£25 total, so not bad at all!)

After watching a lot of videos on the re-glue process and what glue to use here is my question:

 

If you have de-lided a CPU yourself;

1. Have you re-glued the IHS? Or did you just use the fact that the CPU bracket will hold it in place, combined with the pressure from a cooling block.
2. If you have glued it, what glue have you used and how long before you could pop the CPU back into the mobo for use

If you have done this, please let me know, not looking for "hear-say" advice because you watched a YouTube video

Thanks in advance!

I'll chime in with my experience seeing as the others are being unhelpful. I've delidded my 7700K and didn't bother gluing the IHS back on. Got an overclock of 5ghz at 1.28v stable and hits about 50-60 degrees in games under an X62 Kraken.

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yes it is a workstation CPU, it just depends on the software you use

No, Intel said: If you don't want your CPU to run hot, don't overclock it, because overclocking voids your warranty and makes your CPU run hot.

His primary issue was running hot. Did you read OP?

 

Also an important factor those benches don't consider is you will likely have more than 1 content creation application open as well as anything else running in the background. On a clean install with nothing else running those results might be accurate, but day to day on an average system? Not a chance.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

He asked advice towards delidding the i7 7700k for a specific gain, people adviced that he would rather see much more gain by going with the 1700 over delidding... it ain't completely wrong ya know?

Depends on the software you use

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Besides Photoshop 2017 does take advantage of fast single cores, yes, but that would require you having solely the Photoshop opened, which most content creators usually have a lot more applications open at the same time and Ryzen clearly has much superior multi-tasking.... we could be here discussing this forever, but I got work to do now so:

The 7700K doesn't suck at multitasking. When it is overclocked it gets 1100cb multicore score, which is as fast as the stock R5 1600.................

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Depends on the software you use

The 7700K doesn't suck at multitasking. When it is overclocked it gets 1100cb multicore score, which is as fast as the stock R5 1600.................

Good job so when overclocked it beats a non overclocked CPU that costs £120 less, niceeeeee

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Good job so when overclocked it beats a non overclocked CPU that costs over £100 less, niceeeeee

It beats it with 2 fewer cores and 4 fewer threads, very nice indeed

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Also an important factor those benches don't consider is you will likely have more than 1 content creation application open as well as anything else running in the background. On a clean install with nothing else running those results might be accurate, but day to day on an average system? Not a chance.

How do you know? Adobe is single core intensive, why would having more cores improve performance? 

[tom_w141]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

How do you know? Adobe is single core intensive, why would having more cores improve performance? 

It wouldn't my point was the 7700k will likely have all its cores loaded so its achieved score is not indicative of real life use case, the 1700 wouldn't be as highly utilised and therefore a whole core could do nothing but the Adobe application.

[DocSwag]

@Princess Cadence @tom_w141 @PCGuy_5960 and maybe OP idk

Actually though, if you guys want to keep arguing about 7700k vs r7 we should take it to a P.M. instead of derailing an unrelated topic.

[tom_w141]

Just now, DocSwag said:

@Princess Cadence @tom_w141 @PCGuy_5960 and maybe OP idk

Actually though, if you guys want to keep arguing about 7700k vs r7 we should take it to a P.M. instead of derailing an unrelated topic.

can't see what this is  (work PC)