Need Ryzen 5 1500X Overclocking Advice

[Mike Soda]

I just finished watching Paul's video on how to OC Ryzen 5's the easy way but I'm still left with questions so am hoping someone here knows. While awaiting replies I'm gonna review my BIOS again & take some pics for reference just in case.

 

1: Will OC'ing in the manner mentioned here, implement the new frequencies on boot or only while stress testing?

 

2: My board doesn't have a separate Clear CMOS or BIOS button, it's just done by bridging 2 connectors, how can I test these OC's without risk of getting hard locked?

 

3: How much do I increase or decrease voltage increments by when instability is encountered?

 

4: How much do I increase Core Clocks increments by for the same thing?

 

5: Should I just pump 1.4v in if the auto setting doesn't let me go higher than 3.7Ghz & if not should I just do an offset if my MSI B350M allows?

 

Specs:

Ryzen 5 1500x

MSI B350M Gaming Pro

16GB G.Skill DDR4 3200 (running at 2133 for now)

EVGA G2 550W

MasterCase Pro 3

Wraith Spire Cooler

Samsung 850 EVO

Edited May 22, 2017 by Mike Soda
forgot to embed link

[Jumper118]

you are going to need about 1.375-1.425v on the cpu, ~1.1v for the soc and 1.35-1.45v for the ram volatge. you should be able to run the ram at 3200mhz or 2933 and get the cpu to 3.8-4.1ghz

[Mike Soda]

9 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

you are going to need about 1.375-1.425v on the cpu, ~1.1v for the soc and 1.35-1.45v for the ram volatge. you should be able to run the ram at 3200mhz or 2933 and get the cpu to 3.8-4.1ghz

Thank you but I'm sorry I'm really new to Overclocking, what does SOC mean? Also do I just put it there from the stock 1.208V immediately or slowly in small increments such as .025?

 

Here's my current CPU & RAM settings in BIOS, which do I leave alone & which do I change & to what?

 

CPU Frequency: Auto

Core Perofmrance Boost: Auto

Downcore control: Auto

A-XMP: Profile 1

DDR4 2933MHz 14-14-14-32

DRAM Frequency: DDR4-3200

Adjusted DRAM Frequency: 2133MHz

Memory Try It !: Disabled

Memory Retry Count: 5

CPU Core Voltage: 1.208V Auto

CPU NB Voltage: 1.056V Auto

DRAM Voltage: 1.360V Auto

[Jumper118]

14 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

Thank you but I'm sorry I'm really new to Overclocking, what does SOC mean? Also do I just put it there from the stock 1.208V immediately or slowly in small increments such as .025?

 

Here's my current CPU & RAM settings in BIOS, which do I leave alone & which do I change & to what?

 

CPU Frequency: Auto

Core Perofmrance Boost: Auto

Downcore control: Auto

A-XMP: Profile 1

DDR4 2933MHz 14-14-14-32

DRAM Frequency: DDR4-3200

Adjusted DRAM Frequency: 2133MHz

Memory Try It !: Disabled

Memory Retry Count: 5

CPU Core Voltage: 1.208V Auto

CPU NB Voltage: 1.056V Auto

DRAM Voltage: 1.360V Auto

ok, what cooler do you have?

i would start at

cpu frequency: 37 or 3.7 or 3700? whatever gets 3.7ghz  

adjusted dram frequency: 2933

cpu core voltage: 1.35v

CPU NB voltage 1.1V

Dram voltage 1.4V

 

then set that and if it boots ok go into windows and run a quick stress test for a couple of mins. also keep a monitoring program open like hwinfo64 so you can see temps. 

 

[Mike Soda]

1 minute ago, Jumper118 said:

ok, what cooler do you have?

i would start at

cpu frequency: 37 or 3.7 or 3700? whatever gets 3.7ghz  

adjusted dram frequency: 2933

cpu core voltage: 1.35v

CPU NB voltage 1.1V

Dram voltage 1.4V

 

then set that and if it boots ok go into windows and run a quick stress test for a couple of mins.

 

I have the Wraith Spire stock cooler; I think I already have it's fan speed set to max but I'll double check when I try your listed recommendations, be right back...I hope lol.

[Jumper118]

17 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

I have the Wraith Spire stock cooler; I think I already have it's fan speed set to max but I'll double check when I try your listed recommendations, be right back...I hope lol.

ok, that should be fine as the quad core doesnt run hot. 

[Mike Soda]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

ok, that should be fine as the quad core doesnt run hot. 

It booted but 2 things, for one my Cinebench score went way down from a 783 stock to 286. Also which Aida64 Extreme test do I run: CPU Queen, CPU PhotoWorxx CPU ZLib, CPU AES or CPU Hash?

[Jumper118]

6 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

It booted but 2 things, for one my Cinebench score went way down from a 783 stock to 286. Also which Aida64 Extreme test do I run: CPU Queen, CPU PhotoWorxx CPU ZLib, CPU AES or CPU Hash?

286? wtf thats like a core 2 duo? are you on the latest bios btw? 

[Mike Soda]

1 minute ago, Jumper118 said:

286? wtf thats like a core 2 duo? are you on the latest bios btw? 

CPUZ says version 2.60 which I got from here. The latest one released on 2017-05-02 listed as 7A39v26.

[Jumper118]

1 minute ago, Mike Soda said:

CPUZ says version 2.60 which I got from here. The latest one released on 2017-05-02 listed as 7A39v26.

ok. you sure cinebnech ran correctly? didnt have a windex update running in background?

[Mike Soda]

5 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

ok. you sure cinebnech ran correctly? didnt have a windex update running in background?

I guess it ran correctly did the CPU test same as last time & just re-did it now for a 3rd. Scored a 297, manually checked for Windows updates prior & it found none. Here's some screenshots of what CPU-Z & HWMonitor are saying at idle right now.

[Jumper118]

8 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

I guess it ran correctly did the CPU test same as last time & just re-did it now for a 3rd. Scored a 297, manually checked for Windows updates prior & it found none. Here's some screenshots of what CPU-Z & HWMonitor are saying at idle right now.

why is it running at 1.55ghz lol. 

[Mike Soda]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

why is it running at 1.55ghz lol. 

I have no idea & I'm glad you noticed that, I'll go back into BIOS now & take some notes as to what's being displayed. What's odd though is what Windows Task Manager says here.

[Jumper118]

Just now, Mike Soda said:

I have no idea & I'm glad you noticed that, I'll go back into BIOS now & take some notes as to what's being displayed. What's odd though is what Windows Task Manager says here.

 

cpuz is right 99.9999999999999999999999% of the time. task manager is always wroung unless cpu is stock and even then its sometimes wrong  

[Mike Soda]

15 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

cpuz is right 99.9999999999999999999999% of the time. task manager is always wroung unless cpu is stock and even then its sometimes wrong  

Okay so here's what BIOS claims, should I clear CMOS? Is there a different way to reset to defaults? Should I try overclocking the CPU with Ryzen Master instead? Is my motherboard defective or just so poorly made I'd best just leave CPU stock?

 

CPU Frequency: 3700

Core Performance Boost: [Auto]

Downcore control [Auto]

A-XMP: [Disabled]

DRAM Frequency: [DDR4-2933]

Memory Try It !: [Disabled]

Memory Retry Count: 5

CPU Core Voltage: 1.352V 1.3500 V

CPU NB Voltage: 1.104V 1.1000 V

DRAM Voltage: 1.408V 1.400 V

 

There is a setting for DigitALL Power but I haven't messed with that at all.

Edited May 22, 2017 by Mike Soda

[Jumper118]

Just now, Mike Soda said:

Okay so here's what BIOS claims, should I clear CMOS? Is there a different way to reset to defaults? Should I try overclocking the CPU with Ryzen Master instead? Is my motherboard defective or just so poorly made I'd best just leave CPU stock?

 

CPU Frequency: 3700

Core Performance Boost: [Auto]

Downcore control [Auto]

A-XMP: [Disabled]

DRAM Frequency: [DDR4-2933]

Memory Try It !: [Disabled]

Memory Retry Count: 5

CPU Core Voltage: 1.352V 1.3500 V

CPU NB Voltage: 1.104V 1.1000 V

DRAM Voltage: 1.408V 1.400 V

no ryzen master sucks. maybe diasble core performance boost. and also downcore control. 

[Mike Soda]

2 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

no ryzen master sucks. maybe diasble core performance boost. and also downcore control. 

I'll try that right now but in Paul's video he has them on although his BIOS game boost is turned on too, mines off.

[Jumper118]

Just now, Mike Soda said:

I'll try that right now but in Paul's video he has them on although his BIOS game boost is turned on too, mines off.

he may have used an older bios with different settings. 

[Mike Soda]

11 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

he may have used an older bios with different settings. 

I disabled core performance boost but can't disable downcore control. The only options for that are Auto, TWO (1 + 1) & TWO (2 + 0). I have no clue what any of that means but my Cinebench scores are once again the same. I haven't noticed a real use performance decline though, however I'm coming from an Athlon X2 260 so still adjusting. I'm not 100% certain but I think my MSI themed CPU-Z reported the Mhz as that same number even before OCing. Then again Cinebench says I'm running at 3.7GHz so I'm completely confused.

[Jumper118]

1 minute ago, Mike Soda said:

I disabled core performance boost but can't disable downcore control. The only options for that are Auto, TWO (1 + 1) & TWO (2 + 0). I have no clue what any of that means but my Cinebench scores are once again the same. I haven't noticed a real use performance decline though, however I'm coming from an Athlon X2 260 so still adjusting. I'm not 100% certain but I think my MSI themed CPU-Z reported the Mhz as that same number even before OCing. Then again Cinebench says I'm running at 3.7GHz so I'm completely confused.

ok. downcore control disables cores so you dont want to do that. what speed is the ram running at in cpuz? 

 

 

[Mike Soda]

2 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

ok. downcore control disables cores so you dont want to do that. what speed is the ram running at in cpuz? 

 

 

This, I remember someone saying that the way CPU-Z reports RAM frequencies you gotta multiply whatever it says by 2 I think.

[Jumper118]

11 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

This, I remember someone saying that the way CPU-Z reports RAM frequencies you gotta multiply whatever it says by 2 I think.

 

yes that is correct. so its just the core clock is wrong.  try boot at max turbo frequency. 

[Mike Soda]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

yes that is correct. so its just the core clock is wrong

So it's a CPU-Z issue & if so why's my OC's Cinebench score so bad when pre-eoc it was pretty good? Should I undo what I did in the 1st OC? I wrote everything down so I'd think I could just reset values without clearing CMOS? Should I reinstall Cinebench?

[Jumper118]

2 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

So it's a CPU-Z issue & if so why's my OC's Cinebench score so bad when pre-eoc it was pretty good? Should I undo what I did in the 1st OC? I wrote everything down so I'd think I could just reset values without clearing CMOS? Should I reinstall Cinebench?

idk try the cpuz from the cpuz website instead

 

[Mike Soda]

5 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

idk try the cpuz from the cpuz website instead

 

Just did, it's showing the same thing as MSI themed variant.