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Windows S can run anything from the Windows store......Except Linux

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I am a bit sad I didn't thought of this myself but someone eventually did of course: The Windows S edition was supposed to run anything on the windows store and only on the windows store (citation needed) however once someone figured out Linux distros would be on the Windows store and that'd would basically greatly increase the functionality of the OS by proxy, when Microsoft of course walked that shit back and say it won't really run anything on the Windows Store:

 

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“Just because an 'app' comes from the Windows Store does NOT automatically mean that it’s safe & suitable for running in Windows 10 S,” writes Rich Turner of Microsoft. “There are some apps that are not allowed to run on Windows 10 S, including all command-line apps, shells, and Consoles.”

 

Which is a shame because it goes to show that just because Microsoft includes a seemingly benign feature towards Linux doesn't really mean that they're willing to actually be fair to Linux and let people realize "Wait, this OS is hard to learn, limited in scope, etc. But it is actually free and lets me do a hell of a lot more than this Windows S thing (for the time being anyway)

 

Source: http://www.techspot.com/news/69391-windows-10-s-not-capable-running-linux-distros.html

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Ah thats almost as big of a joke as the Samsung Note 7 battery engineers.

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1 minute ago, another random person said:

Ah thats almost as big of a joke as the Samsung Note 7 battery engineers.

I feel like Windows 10 S is just going to blow Microsofts stocks up

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Just now, ComputerFrenzy said:

I feel like Windows 10 S is just going to blow Microsofts stocks up

It may burn it down....

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Bloody hell, so basically its useless for computing students now is it? Once the work around to get full windows is gone, it is literally useless for anyone doing computing. Ohh want to run a Unix shell? Screw you!

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9 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

Bloody hell, so basically its useless for computing students now is it? Once the work around to get full windows is gone, it is literally useless for anyone doing computing. Ohh want to run a Unix shell? Screw you!

Genuine question,  why would you buy a laptop with S on it if you were doing computing or similar anyway? Wouldn't you be looking for a more suitable OS?

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I want to know how much sizzurp Microsoft's officials are drinking to cause them to make a dumber version of their operating system. 

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hang on isn't S meant to be for education? that is exactly the sort of thing education needs :/

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Hold on, have reasoning for this. Windows 10 S is supposed to be the simple and secure version of windows 10 (S does not stand for School) it just happens to be that simple and secure are very important for education. A developer feature like WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) feels like a bit of a "Pro" feature, doesn't it? If you do more intense workloads like using Visual Studio or WSL, then Microsoft is clearly saying that you are a 'pro' and should use Windows 10 Pro.

 

With that being said, Windows 10 S should run anything from the Windows Store.

 

Windows 10 S should be seen as a balance between Chromebook, which is a browser, and Windows 10 Pro, which is a power user's OS

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I think a lot of people are failing to see what the real intention with Windows 10 S is. 

 

At the moment, Microsoft offer Azure alongside Office 365 to serve as IaaS (infrastructure as a service). Through this, most business & enterprise environments are catered to: Office 365 oversees user management through Azure Active Directory, mail through Exchange Online, file through SharePoint Online & OneDrive for Business and so on. Specialist requirements can be met through Azure deployments which include Linux OS support - they've even gone as far as to offer an MCSA for Linux on Azure. (An MCSA is the equivalent of a Cisco CCNP). Microsoft's IaaS platform also caters to communication through Skype for Business (formerly Lync), covering both your conventional video/audio calls & broadcasts (think Cisco WebEx) but also the role as a virtual PBX - Skype for Business is essentially a complete VoIP system for businesses. They also offer complete device management through InTune.

 

However, where they are let down at the moment is the integration of applications on devices. Through InTune, it's very difficult to deploy applications that aren't native to the Windows Store and thus can only really be deployed by an on premise domain controller via group policy. If you've got 99% of your environment in the cloud, you don't really want to keep a DC on prem purely to publish apps to devices. Sure, if it's a brand new device you could use SCCM & image the device but if it's already deployed, it's a pain.

 

By creating Windows 10 S and launching it with the Surface brand backing, Microsoft are no doubt aiming to have a large number of devices in the marketplace using Windows 10 S - and if Windows 10 S can only use devices form the app store, developers will develop for that platform. Think of it like the boom of iOS & the app store a few years back - if you didn't have an app, for the most part, you didn't matter and your product wouldn't succeed with the masses. From where I see it and to those I've spoken to who hold similar views, Microsoft are hoping to create this pool of users to force developers onboard UWP. 

 

Back to the concept of IaaS & the Microsoft world, if UWP now has a huge number of applications that you can deploy, there is no need for a business to have on-premise equipment. Their core infrastructure needs (user management, email, file & communication) are all handled by Microsoft's subscription services and device management is all done via InTune - you can have a staff member take a brand new device out of the box, select that it belongs to a company and that you want to sign into the domain with your Azure Active Directory credentials. From there Azure AD takes over, installing InTune onto the device which then loads the profile and pulls the appropriate apps out of the UWP store. - This entire process happens without the need for the IT department to get their hands on the device. Furthermore, if a businesses IT needs are all met through this service, there is no need for on-premise equipment, instead forcing the business into a per seat per month billing arrangement with Microsoft - one that is very difficult to migrate out of.

 

This is very much evident through the huge push from Microsoft at their technical events, constantly putting the emphasis on the UWP integration with InTune & Azure to the point where there are several certifications for this process now offered by MS.

 

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1 hour ago, vorticalbox said:

hang on isn't S meant to be for education? that is exactly the sort of thing education needs :/

It's not meant to actually educate people, especially not educate people against competing products.

The entire purpose of Window S is to make people use the store. Microsoft has seen how much money you can make if you become the "gatekeeper" of what software people install on their devices. Instead of letting anyone download software, Microsoft want to position themselves as the middle-man and take a cut whenever someone installs and/or runs a program.

 

That's why it is so important for us consumers that Windows S fails. Because if it succeeds then I bet that Microsoft will start phasing out the real Windows. I am 100% sure that is their long-term goal. To turn Windows into iOS. Everything they have done since Windows 8 has been in order to prepare for this shift.

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42 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

It's not meant to actually educate people, especially not educate people against competing products.

The entire purpose of Window S is to make people use the store. Microsoft has seen how much money you can make if you become the "gatekeeper" of what software people install on their devices. Instead of letting anyone download software, Microsoft want to position themselves as the middle-man and take a cut whenever someone installs and/or runs a program.

 

That's why it is so important for us consumers that Windows S fails. Because if it succeeds then I bet that Microsoft will start phasing out the real Windows. I am 100% sure that is their long-term goal. To turn Windows into iOS. Everything they have done since Windows 8 has been in order to prepare for this shift.

Yes it is important but I wouldn't worry: This example is pathetic. It's a locked down version of an OS that still costs and comes on an already overpriced product for the market it aims at.

 

Now once they actually do something smart like making a version 100% free no strings attached and are more subtle about the push for the store (i.e. you can install other apps but only if they are converted to the store format i.e. used as external packages to the package manager) then we could legit worry they could get some more traction but for now? It's no more of a treat than windows phone was ever to ios and android.

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6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Now once they actually do something smart like making a version 100% free no strings attached and are more subtle about the push for the store (i.e. you can install other apps but only if they are converted to the store format i.e. used as external packages to the package manager) 

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38 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

By creating Windows 10 S and launching it with the Surface brand backing, Microsoft are no doubt aiming to have a large number of devices in the marketplace using Windows 10 S - and if Windows 10 S can only use devices form the app store, developers will develop for that platform. Think of it like the boom of iOS & the app store a few years back - if you didn't have an app, for the most part, you didn't matter and your product wouldn't succeed with the masses. From where I see it and to those I've spoken to who hold similar views, Microsoft are hoping to create this pool of users to force developers onboard UWP. 

 

So, this would be another step in the attempt to "mobilize" PCs (i.e., bring the iOS/andorid business model(s) to the PC)? A sort of "android for business"? (I know android is "free", but so is Linux, yet in the business environment there are non-free distros and associated services).

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23 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

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Google takes more telemetry than anyone, far from "no strings attached". 

 

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So, this would be another step in the attempt to "mobilize" PCs (i.e., bring the iOS/andorid business model(s) to the PC)? A sort of "android for business"? (I know android is "free", but so is Linux, yet in the business environment there are non-free distros and associated services).

the free part isn't really the point the point was if you have lots of devices running a single os, be it android, Ios,Windows or Linux then there are users and where there are users developers can make money. 

 

 

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Just now, vorticalbox said:

Google takes more telemetry than anyone, far from "no strings attached". 

google doesn't hide and isn't afraid of letting you see what they gathered and let you manage it, also Android can be used without google's services on

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11 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

google doesn't hide and isn't afraid of letting you see what they gathered and let you manage it

Not really. For example, according to Google, they have zero data gathered on me (which is of course BS).

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5 hours ago, Castdeath97 said:

Bloody hell, so basically its useless for computing students now is it? Once the work around to get full windows is gone, it is literally useless for anyone doing computing. Ohh want to run a Unix shell? Screw you!

At least we can just install linux natively, after all windows 10 s just gave up the only reason anyone uses windows to begin with (the monstrous software availability).

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21 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Not really. For example, according to Google, they have zero data gathered on me (which is of course BS).

did you go to myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols ?

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7 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

did you go to myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols ?

It doesn't give you full control over what Google collects, and it's more than what they say.

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It doesn't give you full control over what Google collects, and it's more than what they say.

you can see what they collect and manage it, call me when MS will even give a glimpse of what they're getting out of you

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