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Legit I haven't been involved in the new generation of processors. But I am talking about midrange processors not top dogs. So low end i7, i5, Xeon e3. 

1. Is there any advantages to one or other 

2. Cost efficient? 

3. Thanks in advanced! 

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i7 7700k, i5 7600k, I don't know about xeons (this is all kaby lake!)

 

1. i7 still has multi threading and 4 cores on desktop, and k sku provides unlocked multiplier. 

i5 doesn't have multi threading and is 4 cores on desktop, stock speeds are slower than the i7. k sku provides unlocked multipliers. Also has less cache than the i7 (4mb opposed to 8mb)

i3 has multi threading but is only 2 cores and has less cache (2-4mb IIRC)

An Xeon is usually just a i7 without a iGPU and doesn't have overclocking features at all. 

 

for gaming, a kaby lake CPU is the best CPU you can buy. It has the best IPC and it overclocks the highest. But, there's only 4 cores. 

 

for or anyone else that does stuff that is multi threaded, go for zen. Much more cost effective. Has more cores, but the top chips can only overclock to 4/4.1ghz. It is also around 5% less ipc than Intel 

 

zen for content creation or heavy multithreaded wokrloads

i7 for gaming

i5 for budget gaming 

i3 for $500 builds 

Xeon if you want to save a bit of money but no overclocking. 

 

 

Also, zen is pretty good for gaming; don't get me wrong. It just won't be the best. It's like getting a 1080 as opposed to getting a 1080 that is binned for overclocking 

 

edit; am talking about top of the line CPUs. Talking about a 1800x. 


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3 minutes ago, themctipers said:

Also, zen is pretty good for gaming; don't get me wrong. It just won't be the best. It's like getting a 1080 as opposed to getting a 1080 that is binned for overclocking 

Ryzen does get better frame times though. So while it gets less FPS, it's 1% lows and 0.1% lows are less than Intel Chips

 

TL:DR: Strictly gaming and not an ounce of anything else; Intel

 

Anything other task in addition to gaming (ESPECIALLY if you're looking at i5's) Ryzen


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4 minutes ago, themctipers said:

i7 7700k, i5 7600k, I don't know about xeons (this is all kaby lake!)

 

1. i7 still has multi threading and 4 cores on desktop, and k sku provides unlocked multiplier. 

i5 doesn't have multi threading and is 4 cores on desktop, stock speeds are slower than the i7. k sku provides unlocked multipliers. Also has less cache than the i7 (4mb opposed to 8mb)

i3 has multi threading but is only 2 cores and has less cache (2-4mb IIRC)

An Xeon is usually just a i7 without a iGPU and doesn't have overclocking features at all. 

 

for gaming, a kaby lake CPU is the best CPU you can buy. It has the best IPC and it overclocks the highest. But, there's only 4 cores. 

 

for or anyone else that does stuff that is multi threaded, go for zen. Much more cost effective. Has more cores, but the top chips can only overclock to 4/4.1ghz. It is also around 5% less ipc than Intel 

 

zen for content creation or heavy multithreaded wokrloads

i7 for gaming

i5 for budget gaming 

i3 for $500 builds 

Xeon if you want to save a bit of money but no overclocking. 

 

 

Also, zen is pretty good for gaming; don't get me wrong. It just won't be the best. It's like getting a 1080 as opposed to getting a 1080 that is binned for overclocking 

Why the i5 for budget gaming?

ryzen 5 performs the same if not better for the same price plus having the advantages of SMT or 6 cores if it's the 1600

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1 minute ago, Spenser1337 said:

Why the i5 for budget gaming?

ryzen 5 performs the same if not better for the same price plus having the advantages of SMT or 6 cores if it's the 1600

I haven't kept up with the CPU game since ryzen 7 was available for preorder soo


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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

I haven't kept up with the CPU game since ryzen 7 was available for preorder soo

So why are you answering a question you don't know the answer to? Very misleading 

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10 minutes ago, themctipers said:

i7 7700k, i5 7600k, I don't know about xeons (this is all kaby lake!)

 

1. i7 still has multi threading and 4 cores on desktop, and k sku provides unlocked multiplier. 

i5 doesn't have multi threading and is 4 cores on desktop, stock speeds are slower than the i7. k sku provides unlocked multipliers. Also has less cache than the i7 (4mb opposed to 8mb)

i3 has multi threading but is only 2 cores and has less cache (2-4mb IIRC)

An Xeon is usually just a i7 without a iGPU and doesn't have overclocking features at all. 

 

for gaming, a kaby lake CPU is the best CPU you can buy. It has the best IPC and it overclocks the highest. But, there's only 4 cores. 

 

for or anyone else that does stuff that is multi threaded, go for zen. Much more cost effective. Has more cores, but the top chips can only overclock to 4/4.1ghz. It is also around 5% less ipc than Intel 

 

zen for content creation or heavy multithreaded wokrloads

i7 for gaming

i5 for budget gaming 

i3 for $500 builds 

Xeon if you want to save a bit of money but no overclocking. 

 

 

Also, zen is pretty good for gaming; don't get me wrong. It just won't be the best. It's like getting a 1080 as opposed to getting a 1080 that is binned for overclocking 

R5 > i5 for budget gaming. The 1600 is cheaper than the 7600k yet has two more physical cores, triple the threads, better minimums and frametimes, can multi task or stream and has room to grow in the future. Vs the i5 which can't stream without frame drop and is already maxed out in current games at 95-100% usage, therefore has no room to grow and 4 threads will soon become obsolete. The R5 makes the i5 a bad buy in 2017 and Intel need to overhaul what an i5 is for 2018 and onward.

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Important Kaby Lake CPUs: Pentium G4560 and the i7 7700K.

Important Ryzen CPUs: R5 1600 and the R5 1700. It's debatable with the R5 1400 and R5 1500X but the R5 1600 just presents great value for a bit more money.

 

Gaming-wise, it goes Pentium G4560 for budget builds, R5 processors for mid-high end builds and then the i7 7700K for the best gaming performance possible.

Productivity-wise, it's more or less the same but instead of the i7 7700K, it's the R7 1700.

 

The Pentium G4560 made i3s irrelevant and the R5 processors made i5s irrelevant.


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i just did a new build with with ryzen 5 1600 here is my build and some benchmarks that might help you in your decision:

 

CPU- Ryzn 5 1600

Cooler - stock wraith spire

PSU - EVGA 650w 80plus gold

MOBO - gigabyte ab350 gaming

RAM - GeIL EVO Potenza 2x4gb ddr4 2400mhz

GPU - MSI RX580 armor 4gb

SSD - Adata 120gb

HDD - WD blue 1tb

 

Build cost was 1150 CAD I am overclocked to 3.95ghz at 1.346V stable with an idle temp of around 33-35c and after 1 hour stress on p95 core temp was 70c.benchmarks are below.

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1 hour ago, TVwazhere said:

Ryzen does get better frame times though. So while it gets less FPS, it's 1% lows and 0.1% lows are less than Intel Chips

That claim needs some specific games. A statement like that cannot ever be true as a general rule, games are too different from one another. I'm sure there are some where Ryzen does better in that regard, and others where Ryzen performs poorer.

 

Also, frame time latency can't be looked at like FPS where more is objectively better all the time. Better frame latency has diminishing returns. If the Intel chips already had frame times good enough that gameplay is smooth (which I suspect is almost always the case when dealing with upper end i5's and i7's), Ryzen having the "best" frame latency doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a better experience.

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15 minutes ago, walkawalka said:

i just did a new build with with ryzen 5 1600 here is my build and some benchmarks that might help you in your decision:

 

CPU- Ryzn 5 1600

Cooler - stock wraith spire

PSU - EVGA 650w 80plus gold

MOBO - gigabyte ab350 gaming

RAM - GeIL EVO Potenza 2x4gb ddr4 2400mhz

GPU - MSI RX580 armor 4gb

SSD - Adata 120gb

HDD - WD blue 1tb

 

Build cost was 1150 CAD I am overclocked to 3.95ghz at 1.346V stable with an idle temp of around 33-35c and after 1 hour stress on p95 core temp was 70c.benchmarks are below.

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update:

the build cost included shipping and taxes for my area as well

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