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64Gbs of RAM OCing?

BuckGup
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How difficult would it be to OC 64Gbs of RAM? The kits I have are 3200Mhz but due to it being 4X16Gbs kits I am only getting 3000Mhz stable. I also can't turn on XMP otherwise it won't boot. Everything is the right speed in terms of JDEC and what not except one stick which is weird. I have tried 1.5v and it is only stable at 1.35v.

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Well, if you ask @MageTank he'll probably tell you it's not worth pushing the frequency so high since you're more than likely trashing your timings and quad channel memory is already fast enough. 

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1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Well, if you ask @MageTank he'll probably tell you it's not worth pushing the frequency so high since you're more than likely trashing your timings and quad channel memory is already fast enough. 

Alright this is what I thought. It seems plenty fast but the OCer in me wants more. 

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1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

How difficult would it be to OC 64Gbs of RAM? The kits I have are 3200Mhz but due to it being 4X16Gbs kits I am only getting 3000Mhz stable. I also can't turn on XMP otherwise it won't boot. Everything is the right speed in terms of JDEC and what not except one stick which is weird. I have tried 1.5v and it is only stable at 1.35v.

Difficult? Depends on your definition of difficult. It will be tedious, as you will have to deal with 2DPC tertiary timings and IMC lotteries, but very possible. The hard part, is determining whether or not it's even practical to go any higher. You are already running quad channel, which means you have copious amount of bandwidth at your disposal. The #1 issue you have at the moment, is latency. If it were me, I'd worry about getting latency down as much as possible, and worry less about raw frequency.

 

If you still want to try, let me know, and I'll walk you through it when I get some time off. If you want 3200 to work, focus on _DD and _DR timings (since you are using 16GB DIMM's, you are dealing with multi-rank kits after all).

 

Also, the color of your PC specs in your signature makes it extremely difficult to read. Might be better to isolate each component with it's own color, so you get the same colorful effect while still presenting a readable text.

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Difficult? Depends on your definition of difficult. It will be tedious, as you will have to deal with 2DPC tertiary timings and IMC lotteries, but very possible. The hard part, is determining whether or not it's even practical to go any higher. You are already running quad channel, which means you have copious amount of bandwidth at your disposal. The #1 issue you have at the moment, is latency. If it were me, I'd worry about getting latency down as much as possible, and worry less about raw frequency.

 

If you still want to try, let me know, and I'll walk you through it when I get some time off. If you want 3200 to work, focus on _DD and _DR timings (since you are using 16GB DIMM's, you are dealing with multi-rank kits after all).

 

Also, the color of your PC specs in your signature makes it extremely difficult to read. Might be better to isolate each component with it's own color, so you get the same colorful effect while still presenting a readable text.

Well I think it boils down to how much performance would I actually see? None? 

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Well I think it boils down to how much performance would I actually see? None? 

Depends. With latency, you'd see a much more drastic difference in performance (especially if you plan to use multi-GPU in the future). With frequency, it wouldn't matter much at all. Granted, it wouldn't stop me from trying to get both, but those 16GB DIMMS are going to be brutal. Take it from a man that likely has the fastest 16GB DIMM's at the moment (3600 C14-14-14-28-2). 

 

I say we focus on making 3200 work (that way, you at least get what you pay for) then throw all effort towards latency. If it were me, I'd focus on tertiary timings, specifically tRDWR_DR and tRDWR_DD. Loosening this won't impact bandwidth much, but will drastically lower AVX temperatures, and improve ram stability in general. Try to get tRFC as tight as you can, to get significant gains in the latency department, and pump up tREFI as high as you can get it. Since your board is no pushover, putting tREFI at 65535 should be perfectly fine for 24/7 use, and will also help latency by quite a bit.

 

Try to get tRFC down to around 270 if possible, and feel free to try for lower if you can do so while remaining stable. If you are still having issues with making 3200 work, make sure to tweak VCCIO and VCCSA a little, but don't go overboard. I do not recommend letting these exceed 1.25v each for 24/7. 

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Depends. With latency, you'd see a much more drastic difference in performance (especially if you plan to use multi-GPU in the future). With frequency, it wouldn't matter much at all. Granted, it wouldn't stop me from trying to get both, but those 16GB DIMMS are going to be brutal. Take it from a man that likely has the fastest 16GB DIMM's at the moment (3600 C14-14-14-28-2). 

 

I say we focus on making 3200 work (that way, you at least get what you pay for) then throw all effort towards latency. If it were me, I'd focus on tertiary timings, specifically tRDWR_DR and tRDWR_DD. Loosening this won't impact bandwidth much, but will drastically lower AVX temperatures, and improve ram stability in general. Try to get tRFC as tight as you can, to get significant gains in the latency department, and pump up tREFI as high as you can get it. Since your board is no pushover, putting tREFI at 65535 should be perfectly fine for 24/7 use, and will also help latency by quite a bit.

 

Try to get tRFC down to around 270 if possible, and feel free to try for lower if you can do so while remaining stable. If you are still having issues with making 3200 work, make sure to tweak VCCIO and VCCSA a little, but don't go overboard. I do not recommend letting these exceed 1.25v each for 24/7. 

It seems like you know what you are doing. Outside of the normal timings printed on the box I don't really know much. I am happy to learn though. Maybe if you organized the info a bit and put some warnings on what not to go over then I would happily dive in. Also anymore info the better.

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8 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Depends. With latency, you'd see a much more drastic difference in performance (especially if you plan to use multi-GPU in the future). With frequency, it wouldn't matter much at all. Granted, it wouldn't stop me from trying to get both, but those 16GB DIMMS are going to be brutal. Take it from a man that likely has the fastest 16GB DIMM's at the moment (3600 C14-14-14-28-2). 

 

I say we focus on making 3200 work (that way, you at least get what you pay for) then throw all effort towards latency. If it were me, I'd focus on tertiary timings, specifically tRDWR_DR and tRDWR_DD. Loosening this won't impact bandwidth much, but will drastically lower AVX temperatures, and improve ram stability in general. Try to get tRFC as tight as you can, to get significant gains in the latency department, and pump up tREFI as high as you can get it. Since your board is no pushover, putting tREFI at 65535 should be perfectly fine for 24/7 use, and will also help latency by quite a bit.

 

Try to get tRFC down to around 270 if possible, and feel free to try for lower if you can do so while remaining stable. If you are still having issues with making 3200 work, make sure to tweak VCCIO and VCCSA a little, but don't go overboard. I do not recommend letting these exceed 1.25v each for 24/7. 

Also BTW when I said 4X16gbs I meant 4 16Gb kits of 2 8Gbs sticks. So it's 8X8gbs. I think that might make it a bit harder.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Also BTW when I said 4X16gbs I meant 4 16Gb kits of 2 8Gbs sticks. So it's 8X8gbs. I think that might make it a bit harder.

Actually, it will be roughly the same. You still have to deal with multi-DPC timings, but at the very least, you don't have to worry about one of the 16 IC's on a single chip holding you back from reaching a specific clock, lol. 

 

3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

It seems like you know what you are doing. Outside of the normal timings printed on the box I don't really know much. I am happy to learn though. Maybe if you organized the info a bit and put some warnings on what not to go over then I would happily dive in. Also anymore info the better.

I will try to modify the guide in my signature to include this kind of info later on, but it's difficult to do so as different architectures exhibit different behaviors when it comes to "absolute max" thresholds. This is true not only for voltages, but even frequencies, as X99 has a far more difficult time reaching the high speeds that Z170 and Z270 do with ease. Still, I'll do what I can when I get the free time. Right now, I am working on a comprehensive explanation of "memory bandwidth efficiency" so people can better understand why slower frequency is sometimes better in the grand scheme of things.

My (incomplete) memory overclocking guide: 

 

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Actually, it will be roughly the same. You still have to deal with multi-DPC timings, but at the very least, you don't have to worry about one of the 16 IC's on a single chip holding you back from reaching a specific clock, lol. 

 

I will try to modify the guide in my signature to include this kind of info later on, but it's difficult to do so as different architectures exhibit different behaviors when it comes to "absolute max" thresholds. This is true not only for voltages, but even frequencies, as X99 has a far more difficult time reaching the high speeds that Z170 and Z270 do with ease. Still, I'll do what I can when I get the free time. Right now, I am working on a comprehensive explanation of "memory bandwidth efficiency" so people can better understand why slower frequency is sometimes better in the grand scheme of things.

Sounds great.

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