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How much equity should investor and how much founder should get?

warzkaz

Yesterday while at work I met a guy and we were talking  and I told him a business idea that I had for a while, he liked it so much that he offered to start up a company with me, he will provide capital (approximately 250k) and I will provide the idea and I will do 80-90% of the work required. I am doing a feasibility study and business plan, I'll meet him again in 2 weeks to discuss it and reach an agreement on equity. How much should I take? I am thinking 50% of the company minus the the initial investment, so if the company grows into 5 million in total assets I will get 50% of it minus 250k inflation adjusted. 

P.S I know this this is not the best place to post topic but my idea has some tech elements and I hoping there are few people who started their own company here or they have some business knowledge

 

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Right, so what's the idea? No average joe just drops 250K on some guy he just met unless he knows he will make profit. Personally if he is only providing funding and you are doing 90% of the work he does not deserve 50%.

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I have no business experience but I would think this needs to be a negotiation with your investor.  I would never go first and offer 50% of your company.  You need to see what similar products/services are worth to gauge what your company could be worth.  Then think compare his 250K offer to the potential amount of money and figure a percentage based off of that.  For example if your potential company is worth 1 Million dollars, to me 250K is 25% of that.  Maybe I am wrong, but in any negotiation the person with the idea/product should ask what the person is looking for in return for their investment, and counter based off of that. At 50% you effectively rely on that person for all decisions to be made, I.E. you would not control your company. You need to do your homework before going into something like this, 50% is a lot of percentage (control) for just being effectively a silent partner based off what you said. 

 

  

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You also have to consider if you are going to need more funding to get your Idea off the ground, If you give 50% to start with and need further funding from another party and have to offer them a percentage you will lose more control, and dilute your previous investors.

 

You also need to think about patenting your idea/product to protect your idea and your Intellectual Property.  If you have a good idea never share it with anyone until you have protection against them taking your idea.  

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I have no idea with this sort of stuff, but it sounds like exciting times are ahead, good luck! 

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13 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Right, so what's the idea? No average joe just drops 250K on some guy he just met unless he knows he will make profit. Personally if he is only providing funding and you are doing 90% of the work he does not deserve 50%.

I can't tell what is the idea but is a great one, believe me :D I will  do most of the work but he has a huge following on social media (approximately 1.5 million) so he will be very valuable to company

He is an old  friend of "friend" from work

11 minutes ago, Ramaddil said:

I have no business experience but I would think this needs to be a negotiation with your investor.  I would never go first and offer 50% of your company.  You need to see what similar products/services are worth to gauge what your company could be worth.  Then think compare his 250K offer to the potential amount of money and figure a percentage based off of that.  For example if your potential company is worth 1 Million dollars, to me 250K is 25% of that.  Maybe I am wrong, but in any negotiation the person with the idea/product should ask what the person is looking for in return for their investment, and counter based off of that. At 50% you effectively rely on that person for all decisions to be made, I.E. you would not control your company. You need to do your homework before going into something like this, 50% is a lot of percentage (control) for just being effectively a silent partner based off what you said. 

 

  

You are a right but this would apply to me only if my circumstances were perfect but they are not I am University drop out who has less than 2 months working a job that pays a bit above minimum wage(1200 $)  in a third world shit hole, no bank loan me and investor we give me some time to present him my idea

I don't want to be taken advantage of, I also don't want to blow this opportunity 

7 minutes ago, Ramaddil said:

You also have to consider if you are going to need more funding to get your Idea off the ground, If you give 50% to start with and need further funding from another party and have to offer them a percentage you will lose more control, and dilute your previous investors.

 

You also need to think about patenting your idea/product to protect your idea and your Intellectual Property.  If you have a good idea never share it with anyone until you have protection against them taking your idea.  

He has 5-7 million so I will ask him to provide extra funding, up to a million, without taking extra equity, later on if  the business needs  extra funding we will bring investors and we both will get diluted 

3 minutes ago, Nup said:

I have no idea with this sort of stuff, but it sounds like exciting times are ahead, good luck! 

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3 minutes ago, warzkaz said:

I can't tell what is the idea but is a great one, believe me :D I will  do most of the work but he has a huge following on social media (approximately 1.5 million) so he will be very valuable to company

He is an old  friend of "friend" from work

 

Well you didn't mention his social media status. It does change it quite a bit then. Honestly just gage the person. Starting at 50/50 will avoid later legal battles if they start to want more. Still seems a bit much if it was your idea and work. Maybe 40%. Any hint on what it is? Game, app, website?

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14 minutes ago, warzkaz said:

I can't tell what is the idea but is a great one, believe me :D I will  do most of the work but he has a huge following on social media (approximately 1.5 million) so he will be very valuable to company

He is an old  friend of "friend" from work

You are a right but this would apply to me only if my circumstances were perfect but they are not I am University drop out who has less than 2 months working a job that pays a bit above minimum wage(1200 $)  in a third world shit hole, no bank loan me and investor we give me some time to present him my idea

I don't want to be taken advantage of, I also don't want to blow this opportunity 

He has 5-7 million so I will ask him to provide extra funding, up to a million, without taking extra equity, later on if  the business needs  extra funding we will bring investors and we both will get diluted 

Thanks :)

I get what your saying and by no means should you blow the opportunity, you just have to be careful.  I am not ancient by any means but I have a lot of real world experience, and I am not trusting by nature, people are greedy and will take advantage of those who they know are in a desperate situation.  

 

Its the same principle of survival of the fittest, animals go after weak prey because it is easier than taking on the strongest.  I am not saying he is taking advantage or wont take advantage you just need to consider all factors when jumping to an agreement with someone. Your position holds a higher value than his money, his investment is not worth what ever this idea is worth.  People don't drop $250,000 on nothing, but like I said I would do your due diligence to find out what other companies like yours are worth now to get a starting point, I would also suggest talking with other bushiness owners who have taken investments to get their idea started as far as calculating your valuation.

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