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2 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

Not good, if true, and is just as bad as Nvidia enabling telemetry collection when people install Nvidia drivers, with Nvidia selling the data they gather from people.

 

These companies need to know where lines of appropriateness lay, and know which side of those lines they belong on. A person's personal computer is their own environment, and no company has any right to make profit off of a person's electricity, personal hardware, software licenses, system time and computational power, etc.

 

The enormous fools who have played apologist for Microsoft when they do this are going be the cause of the same thing being done by every last hardware and software developer on the planet, to the point that their PC is a data-collection and monitoring whorehouse.

 

Is it OK if I walk into your house and watch your TV when you're not using it, or take metrics on your property as long as I stay out of your way, or plug into your electricity and use it to power digital coin mining? All that is the same as what Microsoft, Nvidia, and now perhaps AMD are doing when they piggy-back on your system hardware, software, power-utilization to generate and collect telemetry data, which they sell for profit.

you think that AMD isnt collecting and selling telemetry data ? xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD 

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2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

...so what? Bethesda can't force amd to do anything... I don't mind the ads in the installer, but installing things I don't want on my system is off limits.

I dont even mind that they put a link to the web page. I just think its sketchy as hell that they put a obfuscated link to a webpage that is well known for tracking its users. And then passing on referral information. Its just bullshit that they hide it from the users.

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11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

...so what? Bethesda can't force amd to do anything... I don't mind the ads in the installer, but installing things I don't want on my system is off limits.

it's your fault for choosing express and not custom. Just like it is your fault if you give a app carte blanche permissions on your phone and finds out it is spamming shitloads of notifications and using tonns of background data.

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9 minutes ago, silberdrachi said:

I dont even mind that they put a link to the web page. I just think its sketchy as hell that they put a obfuscated link to a webpage that is well known for tracking its users. And then passing on referral information. Its just bullshit that they hide it from the users.

See my post below yours.

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46 minutes ago, Prysin said:

you think that AMD isnt collecting and selling telemetry data ? xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD xDxDxDxD 

That actually wasn't something I was argued, nor a point of my post. And if AMD is gathering and selling telemetry, it would underscore what I wrote in my post, not diminish it.

 

Additionally, since you are bringing up the subject of whether AMD gathers and sells telemetry or not, please provide a reference to show that AMD has started this practice. Nvidia began doing it only last fall, and it has received lots of public attention and has been a subject of controversy.

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Right click and delete, but I guess that is just too difficult 

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Just updated my driver and the shortcut is on my desktop. It has no program associated with it, it simply redirects to the Quake Champions closed beta registration form. I deleted it from my desktop, problem solved.

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39 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

That actually wasn't something I was argued, nor a point of my post. And if AMD is gathering and selling telemetry, it would underscore what I wrote in my post, not diminish it.

 

Additionally, since you are bringing up the subject of whether AMD gathers and sells telemetry or not, please provide a reference to show that AMD has started this practice. Nvidia began doing it only last fall, and it has received lots of public attention and has been a subject of controversy.

you do know that Nvidia and AMD has collected tellemetry through its drivers for YEARS?

This isnt something new, its just that now Nvidia is being "transparent" about it, and or decided to collect more then usual data.

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3 hours ago, Natsoup said:

They don't modify your desktop though.

Neither does AMD, if you uncheck the box for this.

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Just now, Sakkura said:

Neither does AMD, if you uncheck the box for this.

I haven't heard any mention of a box thay can be checked.

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Just now, Natsoup said:

I haven't heard any mention of a box thay can be checked.

Well, I got one.

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Jeezus is AMD that desperate for revenue?  What are they making a penny per driver installation?  Good job guys, don't go spending all that in one place now.

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Has no one mentioned that add and ad mean completely different things...?

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Thing is this only ends up on your desktop if you use the express option lol, my friend doesn't have the icon and swore people were going mad when they asked him about it

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17 minutes ago, Prysin said:

you do know that Nvidia and AMD has collected tellemetry through its drivers for YEARS?

This isnt something new, its just that now Nvidia is being "transparent" about it, and or decided to collect more then usual data.

Samy way people think win8 and win10 are now collecting their data when it's been a thing probably since xp or vista or probably before those

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Wow you guys defending AMD...

 

So microsoft pulling a textbox ad on the desktop is not ok.

 

But it's totally ok to have a picture + text ad disguised as a thumbnail on the desktop.

 

Not to mention the textbox ad goes away by itself after a while (or you click the x), while the thumbnail ad will sit there indefinitely until you manually delete it.

 

What a bright future we're heading, where one day, after a fresh OS install and installing all the programs we use, we'll have dozens of thumbnail ads on our desktop cause it's totally ok. Wonderful.

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They're collaborating with Bethesda though and said Ryzen and Vega optimizations for Quake Champions are to come so.

It's really overreacting seriously.

Though I installed the latest driver, couldn't notice this cause I've had Quake Champions installed already heh. It's really fun game btw.

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7 hours ago, JuztBe said:

Yeah, hopefully backslash is big enough for AMD(and other companies) not to try this in the future. Or else someone will have to make addblock for driver installation... 

You joke, but that's a big reason sites like ninite actually took off, since you couldn't get tricked into installing 20 ******** yahoo toolbars

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While this is a decision made in bad taste, the titles people are coming up with dance on sensationalism, it's just a shortcut people.

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4 hours ago, crystal6tak said:

Wow you guys defending AMD...

 

So microsoft pulling a textbox ad on the desktop is not ok.

 

But it's totally ok to have a picture + text ad disguised as a thumbnail on the desktop.

 

Not to mention the textbox ad goes away by itself after a while (or you click the x), while the thumbnail ad will sit there indefinitely until you manually delete it.

 

What a bright future we're heading, where one day, after a fresh OS install and installing all the programs we use, we'll have dozens of thumbnail ads on our desktop cause it's totally ok. Wonderful.

7 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

 

Both of you don't understand it from a business pov. It's the same reason some will never get why LTT uses goofy thumbnails in their video.

Every dollar earned, means employees will be getting their pay check they rightfully earned. So you think bosses pull money out of their asses to give to their employees. They need to get it from some where else first, by selling a product or service and if that won't cover it, they will try to find some other ways to earn more.

 

 

IMO most of the people that are upset aren't upset over AMD bundling an ad with their driver, Nvidia has been putting inline promo images into their drivers for as long as I can remember; people are probably getting upset because they're associating this shortcut with all those bloatware wrapper web installers (e.g. Softonic, Brothersoft, CNET, etc) and what you see here are their knee-jerk reactions.  

 

Had AMD integrated an ad into the installer like Nvidia does, with a "Sign up now" hyperlink over a Quake promo image to the same exact page, rather than placing a shortcut on the desktop, nobody would have thought twice about it.

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9 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Any of you in their seat will do the same thing.

no, no I would not. I would have recognized that the negative PR likely wasn't worth the cost. Since the shit NVIDIA is doing with email logins for drives and all that stupid shit, I would want to separate from that. Being the "moral choice" is one of the few things AMD could have going for it in the long term right now. 

An ad like they already do in the installer isn't nearly as invasive nor does it generate negative PR, but probably works no worse. 

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2 hours ago, Notional said:

 

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8 hours ago, Sauron said:

That doesn't make it any better, and it's not harmless like the thumbnails.

Yes, it is harmless.  Annoying, but harmless.  It's not like it's an installed program that will randomly pop up ads in your face, it's a shortcut.  I agree that they shouldn't have done it, but it's not going to cause your system any harm whatsoever.  At worst, you have to make a couple mouse clicks/keyboard taps to delete it.  Or just use the uninstall tool below:

 

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