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US regulator wants to reverse net neutrality

Dzzope
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Bad news but I'm sure folks saw it coming with Pai's appointment.

 

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FCC Chairman Ajit Pai was named by President Donald Trump in January.

 

The Obama-era measures prohibit broadband providers from giving or selling access to certain internet services over others.

Those who fought to get the rules passed said his proposal would set off a fierce political battle.

Mr Pai announced the plan to roll back net neutrality measures in Washington.

"Do we want the government to control the internet? Or do we want to embrace the light-touch approach" in place from 1996 until 2015, he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39727363

 

 

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When the BBC says "giving or selling access to certain services over others" it mean they get paid by say Netfliks to prioritize their traffic over say HBO...

or they charge a premium to customers for the use of streaming services or other high bandwidth uses..

This is not privacy..

I don'T PreSS caPs.. I juST Hit THe keYboARd so HarD iT CriTs :P

 

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They sell our search history anyways and net neutrality really didn't do anything. 

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It's about prioritizing traffic rather than "selling your search history".

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It seems to me that asshattery among politicians in relation to internet and web regulation is non partisan. I don't really fear to see net neutrality go as much as I fear what might replace it.

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As was discussed to no end in this forum in other threads last year, Net neutrality is a joke in gains for consumers. It was a move to give the FCC more power without Congressional approval.

I am all for a proper net neutrality as long as it has gains for the consumer.

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Wasn't net neutrality about ISPs not inhibiting speeds based on preferred websites?  I thought selling customer info was a different issue.

 

Yes 2 different issues.

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5 minutes ago, xentropa said:

Wasn't net neutrality about ISPs not inhibiting speeds based on preferred websites?  I thought selling customer info was a different issue.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Dzzope said:

It's about prioritizing traffic rather than "selling your search history".

 

I don'T PreSS caPs.. I juST Hit THe keYboARd so HarD iT CriTs :P

 

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It's about prioritizing traffic rather than "selling your search history".

Even then ISPs blamed peering or changed their small print. Besides if you were to challenge an ISP in court you would loose

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22 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

As was discussed to no end in this forum in other threads last year, Net neutrality is a joke in gains for consumers. It was a move to give the FCC more power without Congressional approval.

I am all for a proper net neutrality as long as it has gains for the consumer.

There you go. I was throttled before net neutrality and was throttled afterwards. 

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Even then ISPs blamed peering or changed their small print. Besides if you were to challenge an ISP in court you would loose

Agreed.. it would take a massive class-action suit to take them on and would require data that there would be no legitimate way to obtain to prove.

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5 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

There you go. I was throttled before net neutrality and was throttled afterwards. 

Yeah that was one of the "promises" that was made was to disband throttling, data caps and few other things.

That went well didn't it? /s

 

Real net neutrality; No restrictions on internet access. If the provider has gigabit lines going in your neighbor hood you should have gigabit access, no throttling allowed. Also this making internet a utility was such a sham.

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15 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

Yeah that was one of the "promises" that was made was to disband throttling, data caps and few other things.

That went well didn't it? /s

 

Real net neutrality; No restrictions on internet access. If the provider has gigabit lines going in your neighbor hood you should have gigabit access, no throttling allowed. Also this making internet a utility was such a sham.

It's actually much worse now after they passed it. I used to be throttled about 80% on sites like youtube and netflix now it's over 95% in the hundred kilobyte range. Thankfully VPNs solve this and I get 100% of the speed they sell me. 

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

It's actually much worse now after they passed it. I used to be throttled about 80% on sites like youtube and netflix now it's over 95% in the hundred kilobyte range. Thankfully VPNs solve this and I get 100% of the speed they sell me. 

Century Link always throttled me at about 50-60% of 40/5 and even with a vpn it didnt help, the line I had was garbage as I think ther node near me was not capable of giving me the speed i bought.

I have Mediacom Cable now and I get most of the 100/20 I bought.

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22 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

Real net neutrality; No restrictions on internet access. If the provider has gigabit lines going in your neighbor hood you should have gigabit access, no throttling allowed. Also this making internet a utility was such a sham.

Not sure If I'd totally agree with 0 throttling in package type and just leave it to your line speed (from a business POV) but that would actually help relieve network congestion in some ways.

 

I do however think that if you pay for x speed and your line can provide it, that the ISP should not be allowed to then throttle selected services / content / port or packet type on that line.

 

Same goes for usage caps... While I have an unlimited plan (Fair use applies at 300GB which I have often exceeded but never been charged for) I don't think you can simply unlock the door as bandwidth has a cost between providers. That said, the costs in the US / Canada for bandwidth to end customers are ridonculous.. Though they have much larger area's to deal with (and provide coverage for) than here, it doesn't justify the price difference. Especially as we have higher tax rates to boot.

 

Currently my ISP is my mobile phone provider.. Pre-pay, €20 top up = unlimited data for the month along with packaged same network calls and weekend stuff before I touch my cash balance.

As I say, I don't think that it should be a free for all but reasonable rates and limitations for speed / use with NO further restrictions on content type beyond package limitations...

If it was a total free-for-all then we would run into major bandwidth issues in a very short amount of time.

 

 

There is no other service in the world which works like that, it would be unrealistic to expect the internet to do so.

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9 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

It's actually much worse now after they passed it. I used to be throttled about 80% on sites like youtube and netflix now it's over 95% in the hundred kilobyte range. Thankfully VPNs solve this and I get 100% of the speed they sell me. 

This is what I'm very against, although I have noticed that youtube itself has issues serving me content at full speed as with some video's I'll struggle to get 240p without buffering and while testing my connection and there being no difference others will come through no prob at 720p +, so I'm uncertain how you would prove it's your ISP, their service or the routing from whichever data centre the video's are held in / your vpn tunnel takes.

 

 

6 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

Century Link always throttled me at about 50-60% of 40/5 and even with a vpn it didnt help, the line I had was garbage as I think ther node near me was not capable of giving me the speed i bought.

I have Mediacom Cable now and I get most of the 100/20 I bought.

Line quality is line quality... I wish ISP's were obliged to test your line and sell you a package based off real numbers, with penalties for not getting within 90% of the speeds agreed upon unless they can show that it was the inbound traffics fault and not theirs...

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39 minutes ago, xentropa said:

Both are shitty situations anyways.

Very much so, along with how much carriers charge for data packages. (Especially in US / Canada)

 

Cost of a fixed line here would triple my internet costs at least from €20 per month for my current package (with unlimited data on LTE) to at least €60 per month for between 20/5 and 100/20 depending on ISP.

 

Mobile carriers being the worst usually, considering when they upgrade equipment they don't have to replace lines in the ground / on poles in order to provide it to their customers

 

 

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This is bad, but hopefully if this whole thing does indeed go to sh*t it's a very good example for the rest of the world why net neutrality matters and it's worth fighting for to keep it neutral.

 

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4 hours ago, Dzzope said:

Very much so, along with how much carriers charge for data packages. (Especially in US / Canada

You can add Germany to that list. Especially mobile internet is very expensive compared to other EU countries.

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9 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Century Link always throttled me at about 50-60% of 40/5 and even with a vpn it didnt help, the line I had was garbage as I think ther node near me was not capable of giving me the speed i bought.

I have Mediacom Cable now and I get most of the 100/20 I bought.

Well I currently have Century Link what do you know. There lowest speed they sell is 10Mb/s yet someone I get 3Mb/s and pay $129 a month for it

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