Upgrade CPU?

[Slazyel]

Hi guys,

 

I have a i5 7500 paired with a GTX 1070 and playing in a 1080P monitor at 144HZ (going for 1440p at 144hz soon). The games i play the most are MMORPGS, like Guild Wars 2/Black Desert/WOW/etc.

Playing those games i see a near or constant 100% cpu usage. So, i'm thinking, do i need to upgrade to a better CPU? Like a unlocked i5 (have to upgrade the mobo too) or a locked i7 6700/7700?

[Spenser1337]

If you can resell your CPU a locked i7 isn't a bad idea

ryzen 5 always good too

 

either way your gains won't be great

[tom_w141]

@Slazyel Throwing in my 2 cents here:

 

Of the games you mentioned the only 1 I play is WoW.

 

With my R7 1700 4GHz and 1070 I get a consistent 100 fps at 3400x1440 (1440p Ultrawide), however my monitor is 100Hz and has g sync so my fps wont go over 100 anyway, I've never tried turning it off.

 

EDIT: (you'd see exact same performance with an R5 1600 @ 4GHz as my 1700 due to WoW not utilising many threads)

 

 

[Jurrunio]

There is surely a CPU bottleneck, but do you really need more FPS?

[tom_w141]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

There is surely a CPU bottleneck, but do you really need more FPS?

If you have experienced 100+ yes you do

 

Many were satisfied by 30-40 on consoles and 60 on PC but since I've been at 100 I can see 60 and it looks shitty to me  its definitely a luxury and is a self inflicted issue.

 

tldr: We think 60 looks good until we see better

 

EDIT: Same logic as people thinking tv was great then after HD we think anything non HD is garbage and now we have 4k so it continues endlessly. Until we reach the point where our eyes can't tell a difference. Then we remove and upgrade our eyes due to a biological bottleneck  

[Slazyel]

Well, if i have a 144 hz monitor would be nice to maintain at least 100+ FPS. Maybe when i upgrade to the 1440p monitor this bottleneck would disappear? Because resolution is more gpu intensive, right?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

If you have experienced 100+ yes you do

 

Many were satisfied by 30-40 on consoles and 60 on PC but since I've been at 100 I can see 60 and it looks shitty to me  its definitely a luxury and is a self inflicted issue.

 

tldr: We think 60 looks good until we see better

LOL then I'd better not get a monitor with refresh rates higher than 60.

IMO sell your mobo and i5 for Ryzen 7 1700x and B350 board or i7 7700k with Z270 board.

[tom_w141]

21 minutes ago, Slazyel said:

Well, if i have a 144 hz monitor would be nice to maintain at least 100+ FPS. Maybe when i upgrade to the 1440p monitor this bottleneck would disappear? Because resolution is more gpu intensive, right?

Moving to 1440p moves the bottleneck to the GPU.

 

EDIT: I should clarify that is for most games. Highly CPU bound games like WoW may still have the cpu bottleneck.

 

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

LOL then I'd better not get a monitor with refresh rates higher than 60.

IMO sell your mobo and i5 for Ryzen 7 1700x and B350 board or i7 7700k with Z270 board.

For straight up gaming I suggest the 1600 non X (X is basically a factory overclock, its more cost effective to do the OC yourself. Its not a requirement for overclocking like an intel K cpu)

[Jurrunio]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Moving to 1440p moves the bottleneck to the GPU.

 

For straight up gaming I suggest the 1600 non X (X is basically a factory overclock, its more cost effective to do the OC yourself. Its not a requirement for overclocking like an intel K cpu)

X means XFR, extended frequency range function. Basically more overclock. A 1600 isn't that much better to justify an upgrade.

[tom_w141]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

X means XFR, extended frequency range function. Basically more overclock. A 1600 isn't that much better to justify an upgrade.

X does not mean XFR. Even the non X models have some XFR (extended frequency range) but less than an X model.

 

Also XFR is only single core boost and if you OC XFR is disabled entirely.

 

Source: 1700 clocked at 4GHz owner here and at stock I have 50Mhz XFR instead of the 100MHz on the 1700X and 1800X.

 

EDIT: There is absolutely no need for an X model unless you want a pre-baked factory OC

[Jurrunio]

For the OP, better make your decision fast. New CPU like this bleed value quick.

[tom_w141]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For the OP, better make your decision fast. New CPU like this bleed value quick.

This applies to tech in general... 6 months later there is always new stuff. I don't see the point of your comment  This applies to GPUs and CPUs

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

This applies to tech in general... 6 months later there is always new stuff. I don't see the point of your comment  This applies to GPUs and CPUs

Just a reminder. The more he/she waits the more money is lost

[jpfeif]

I would recommended the Ryzen 7 or 5 a 1700x or a 1600x not because I am an AMD fan boy I am actuality a Intel loyalist but you get more price to pref with Ryzen 7 or 5 because it has 8 or 6 cores and that is better then 4. 

[Simon771]

42 minutes ago, Slazyel said:

Well, if i have a 144 hz monitor would be nice to maintain at least 100+ FPS. Maybe when i upgrade to the 1440p monitor this bottleneck would disappear? Because resolution is more gpu intensive, right?

 

48 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

@Slazyel Throwing in my 2 cents here:

 

Of the games you mentioned the only 1 I play is WoW.

 

With my R7 1700 4GHz and 1070 I get a consistent 100 fps at 3400x1440 (1440p Ultrawide), however my monitor is 100Hz and has g sync so my fps wont go over 100 anyway, I've never tried turning it off.

 

EDIT: (you'd see exact same performance with an R5 1600 @ 4GHz as my 1700 due to WoW not utilising many threads)

 

 

 

As much as I love playing MMORPG games, I must say that optimisation is shit. The guy saying that he gets 100fps in WoW ... yeah sure when you are playing alone of with few other players. But as soon as you enter crowded area your FPS will drop even if you have 20 CPU cores. and 4 GPUs in SLI.

You might be thinking now ... well maybe i7 7700k is better choise. Not exactly. I'm playing BDO, and I had the same FPS with i7 4790k at 4,7GHz as I did with same CPU clocked at 3,0GHz. I downclocked my CPU, just to see if higher IPC will yield me any more performance ... it didn't.

It probbably doesn't matter which CPU you will buy, since FPS will be limited by game engine and it's opimisation. In some cases even by API from the game, but that goes mostly for a bit older games.

[tom_w141]

14 minutes ago, jpfeif said:

I would recommended the Ryzen 7 or 5 a 1700x or a 1600x not because I am an AMD fan boy I am actuality a Intel loyalist but you get more price to pref with Ryzen 7 or 5 because it has 8 or 6 cores and that is better then 4. 

I agree, though no need for a factory overclock on the X model when you can just do it yourself  spend the saving on faster ram or better components elsewhere. Also non X models get the wraith spire cooler which is pretty damn good for a stock cooler!  

 

13 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

 

 

As much as I love playing MMORPG games, I must say that optimisation is shit. The guy saying that he gets 100fps in WoW ... yeah sure when you are playing alone of with few other players.

I do consistently get this unless i'm in a raid. Therefore my statement was not false as most of the time I get 100 when levelling/dungeons, but in general yeah WoW is showing its age in a bad way. If I look at my unused cores for WoW its pretty bad  

[Simon771]

17 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

I do consistently get this unless i'm in a raid. Therefore my statement was not false as most of the time I get 100 when levelling/dungeons, but in general yeah WoW is showing its age in a bad way. If I look at my unused cores for WoW its pretty bad  

Sadly not just WoW ... every single MMORPG out there have that problem. Those games just can't utilise more hardware power. That's why I'm waiting for some developer to release MMORPG with DX12/Vulkan support, and hopefully some decent game engine like Overwatch has it.

In other word ... nearly impossible right now. And sadly it seems that MMORPG genre is kinda slowly dying and I'm not sure any game developers are going to invest time and money in making new game based on latest and greatest technology out there.

[Slazyel]

Where i live the prices are as follows:

Intel:

i5 7400: $220
I5 7500: $240

i5 7600: $285

I5 7600K: $335

I7 7700: $415
I7 7700K: $445

 

AMD:

RYZEN 5 1400: $220

RYZEN 5 1600: $305

RYZEN 7 1700: $435

RYZEN 7 1700X: $520

RYZEN 7 1800X: $675

 

With that in mind, what do you guys consider to be the best? Maintain the i5 7500 or upgrade?

 

[Jurrunio]

Before giving up your CPU, try overclocking with the reference/base clock method. See if you can squeeze enough performance out with that.

 

Some do say that the base clock always resets itself after booting to Windows, but it's still worth a try