tvs Why TVs are bad for PC gaming but ok when it comes to console gaming.

[Shammikit]

so im not a expert when it comes to displays, i have seen at lots of places in the internet that says tvs are bad for pc gaming because of the input lag in TV. i myself experienced this once when i connected my pc to our home TV and i felt that the sound was being played like a second earlier before it actually shows up in the TV. But when it comes to console gaming i have never experienced this. i have played xbox 360s and PS4s at different places in different types of TVs and they work well. is this because consoles are less powerful than PCs and cannot push frames past 60 fps. And if someday they get 60fps or more will TVs be not suitable for console gaming as well?

[Aytex]

Mostly cause of how large it is, if you are using it on a desk, Latency also comes in play, and people dont like the "fake" refresh rate and motion blur that is added onto a TV.

[Oshino Shinobu]

The input delay will still be there, but you typically feel it more on PC, partly due to your (often) closer proximity to the monitor and the fact that keyboard and mouse are more accurate and immediate control methods than a controller, so the delay is more pronounced. 

 

A monitor will pretty much always be better than a TV on both consoles and PC as they don't have the post processing that most TVs do and they are (most of them) designed to respond to inputs quickly as they're expected to be used with a mouse. Even on normal usage, a delay in moving the mouse and the cursor moving can be off putting. 

[MrMcMuffinJr]

consoles are optimized for a tv

 

[Enderman]

Consoles run at 30fps and most console gamers are used to lower quality and higher latency.

 

Modern tvs actually have very little input lag and have a PC/game mode to disable fake refresh rates so you can definitely use a tv for PC gaming if you want.

The majority of people still don't know this, they still think all TVs have high input lag and suck for gaming.

[Shammikit]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Consoles run at 30fps and most console gamers are used to lower quality and higher latency.

 

Modern tvs actually have very little input lag and have a PC/game mode to disable fake refresh rates so you can definitely use a tv for PC gaming if you want.

The majority of people still don't know this, they still think all TVs have high input lag and suck for gaming.

what is this fake refresh rates?

[Enderman]

7 minutes ago, Shammikit said:

what is this fake refresh rates?

TVs advertise 120hz, 240hz, 480hz, 960hz

This is just backlight strobing and some other image post processing, not actually 960hz going from your GPU to the screen.

It gives a "soap opera" look and makes games and anything coming from a PC look bad, and also adds latency.

 

If you want to use a tv with a PC it should have a PC/game option to disable this.

[YedZed]

19 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Consoles run at 30fps and most console gamers are used to lower quality and higher latency.

 

Modern tvs actually have very little input lag and have a PC/game mode to disable fake refresh rates so you can definitely use a tv for PC gaming if you want.

The majority of people still don't know this, they still think all TVs have high input lag and suck for gaming.

According to Linus, TV refresh rate is still subpar for gaming, and "game modes" are often useless.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, YedZed said:

According to Linus, TV refresh rate is still subpar for gaming, and "game modes" are often useless.

1) The only TV linus has tried for gaming is his shitty OLED with bad input lag. Do not use an OLED for gaming.

 

2) TV refresh rate is 60Hz, which is the exact same as 99% of monitors in the world and perfectly fine for gaming as long as you're not trying to go pro.

 

3) How good the game mode is depends on the TV.

You need to do research, not just buy any random tv and hope it works well.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

The ones around 20ms or less are excellent and will let you play competitive fps games like on a regular monitor.

[Techicolors]

4 hours ago, Enderman said:

Consoles run at 30fps and most console gamers are used to lower quality and higher latency.

 

Modern tvs actually have very little input lag and have a PC/game mode to disable fake refresh rates so you can definitely use a tv for PC gaming if you want.

The majority of people still don't know this, they still think all TVs have high input lag and suck for gaming.

you do have to rely on detailed reviews that go into how much input lag the panel handles. rtings and hdtvtest do this pretty well 

 

another bit to consider too is 4:4:4, and how much input lag 4:4:4 and HDR adds. 

 

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

1) The only TV linus has tried for gaming is his shitty OLED with bad input lag. Do not use an OLED for gaming.

not necessarily true. the more recent LG OLEDs are pretty good at handling gaming. OLED HDR isn't a thing on PC though so it's fairly limited to console gaming. plus LG OLEDs can handle near instantaneous response times, making it good for gaming.

 

the only issue is ABL and off-to-on pixel transitions. 

[Enderman]

1 hour ago, Technicolors said:

not necessarily true. the more recent LG OLEDs are pretty good at handling gaming. OLED HDR isn't a thing on PC though so it's fairly limited to console gaming. plus LG OLEDs can handle near instantaneous response times, making it good for gaming.

 

the only issue is ABL and off-to-on pixel transitions. 

No.

The OLED panel response time may be instant, but all the processing that the TV does beforehand increases the input lag.

Response time is not what matters, input lag is.

If you look at any reviews or tests of those OLED tvs you will notice that their input lag is far above 20ms.

 

Using an OLED screen with a PC is also a horrible idea because burn in is still a thing.

Unless you use it exclusively for playing games and have it off any other time, then you will get burn in.

There's a reason there are no consumer OLED monitors.

[Techicolors]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

No.

The OLED panel response time may be instant, but all the processing that the TV does beforehand increases the input lag.

Response time is not what matters, input lag is.

If you look at any reviews or tests of those OLED tvs you will notice that their input lag is far above 20ms.

 

Using an OLED screen with a PC is also a horrible idea because burn in is still a thing.

Unless you use it exclusively for playing games and have it off any other time, then you will get burn in.

There's a reason there are no consumer OLED monitors.

the LG B6 has 28.5ms input lag with 4k 60hz with HDR mode http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6#comparison_91

tho 4k 60hz with 4:4:4 has 70ms of lag, slightly less at 1080p 

 

in comparison the B6 has 44ms lag in game mode, and 55-71ms in game mode with HDR mode http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55b6v-201611044381.htm

 

the E6 has a little over 30ms of lag with 4k 60hz with HDR http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c6#comparison_200

4:4:4 is slightly lower, but rtings did claim that their set was a little inconsistent 

 

in comparison the E6 yields 34ms of lag http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm

 

the C6 has roughly 34ms of lag http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c6#comparison_91

 

LG's newest set the C7 has roughly 21ms of lag http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7#comparison_91

 

so not as fast as gaming monitors go, but it's pretty good for casual gaming. and honestly i would take OLED than anything for the sheer image quality and high contrast ratio

 

I have heard several user cases that burn-in, at least for OLED TVs, aren't a big issue. there's a setting in the OSD one can use to eliminate IR. though i'll admit it is something LG is trying to clear themselves of. just look at the avsforums 

 

well, there is one OLED monitor. the Dell UP3017Q. to be fair it's very new, first rumored to be canned, and costs more than $3k. however i can link you to this thread, where 3 people have the monitor http://www.overclock.net/t/1627849/oled-4k-30-60-hz-dell-up3017q

 

 

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, Technicolors said:

the LG B6 has 28.5ms input lag with 4k 60hz with HDR mode http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6#comparison_91

tho 4k 60hz with 4:4:4 has 70ms of lag, slightly less at 1080p 

 

in comparison the B6 has 44ms lag in game mode, and 55-71ms in game mode with HDR mode http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55b6v-201611044381.htm

 

the E6 has a little over 30ms of lag with 4k 60hz with HDR http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c6#comparison_200

4:4:4 is slightly lower, but rtings did claim that their set was a little inconsistent 

 

in comparison the E6 yields 34ms of lag http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm

 

the C6 has roughly 34ms of lag http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c6#comparison_91

 

LG's newest set the C7 has roughly 21ms of lag http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7#comparison_91

 

so not as fast as gaming monitors go, but it's pretty good for casual gaming. and honestly i would take OLED than anything for the sheer image quality and high contrast ratio

 

I have heard several user cases that burn-in, at least for OLED TVs, aren't a big issue. there's a setting in the OSD one can use to eliminate IR. though i'll admit it is something LG is trying to clear themselves of. just look at the avsforums 

 

well, there is one OLED monitor. the Dell UP3017Q. to be fair it's very new, first rumored to be canned, and costs more than $3k. however i can link you to this thread, where 3 people have the monitor http://www.overclock.net/t/1627849/oled-4k-30-60-hz-dell-up3017q

 

 

Huh it's not as bad as I thought.

Still not as good as the 15-20ms of certain vizio/samsung tvs.

[Techicolors]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Huh it's not as bad as I thought.

Still not as good as the 15-20ms of certain vizio/samsung tvs.

the KS8000 is probably one of the fastest TVs i've seen. roughly 21ms across the board http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000#comparison_91 

also pretty surprising that it maintains low input lag with HDR mode on. most TVs flunk with input lag with HDR, so they just turn it off when game mode is enabled. i know some Vizio TVs that do this

 

the LG C7 isn't even that far. though to be fair, it's more expensive than last year's sets