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Report: Google allegedly planning native ad-blocker in Chrome

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Just now, Sniperfox47 said:

Yeah. I love how one of the big selling points Microsoft pushed with edge was that it had a reading mode that removes clutter and brings the article to the forefront so you can focus on it, something that at that point every other major browser had except IE and Safari...

 

Safari had one didn't it? It definitely had one when I used Macs before 2014.


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2 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

Safari had one didn't it? It definitely had one when I used Macs before 2014.

Maybe, I'm not super familiar with Safari. My bad.

 

Just kinda assumed since in my experience they always seem late on the bus to pick up advanced web tech.

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1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

So, Youtube and Google services will have ads. What about other sites? Will Google now control what can or cannot be on other sites?

That's a massive lawsuit waiting to happen.

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I would appreciate an "acceptable Ad-placement" model for browsers.  The reason so many of us actually use Ad-blockers (and I have since at least the very early 2000s) really just comes down to the fact you have to trust the webpage you're going to. There's little reason to, frankly.  If it's "free" and not being done because someone is doing the job of their own spare time, your views are Value.  It's instinctive to monetize that.

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That's cute of Google

 

Take MoaAB list into:

Windows - HostsMan

Raspberry/Linux - Pi-hole

Android (no root) - DNS66

Android (rooted) - AdAway

Router - PIxelserv

 

???

Profit


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2 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Yeah. I love how one of the big selling points Microsoft pushed with edge was that it had a reading mode that removes clutter and brings the article to the forefront so you can focus on it, something that at that point every other major browser had except IE and Safari...

They originally had it built into Windows 8 with the news metro app. It brought articles from different news sources, had a few images and made it into a sidescrolling article with no ads or clutter.

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If they implement this feature and proceed to remove adblockers from the "web store" (or whatever it's called), it will be a nice way to push experienced users away from their browser. They are already notorious for removing useful features.


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Some more info I found on Reddit, but not in this thread.

 

The built-in adblocker will whitelist ads that are deemed "acceptable". What is and isn't acceptable is based on "The Coalition for Better Ads"'s standards.

They can be found here: The Initial Better Ads Standards

 

Or you can look at what is not acceptable here (there are more details on the site).

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Seems like fairly conservative rules but this will probably be good enough for most people. I'll still use uBlock and whitelist things myself, but this is definitely a move in the right direction if you ask me.

 

5 hours ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Think of the anti-trust against MS for bundling IE with Windows.

Well, there is more to the IE story than just "oh your browser has gotten too popular!".

 

Among other things, Microsoft went around and threatened PC makers to revoke their Windows licensing deals if they installed Netscape on the computers they sold. That played a big role in the lawsuit against IE.

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5 hours ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

 

 

If this comes to fruition, I imagine it will follow a similar practice of some ad-blockers that whitelist acceptable ad types though without having to pay to be whitelisted. 

 

Sauce: https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-ad-blocking-feature-in-popular-chrome-browser-1492643233

 

You mean like opera has built in unlimited vpn and ad blocker? 

 

if Google only wants acceptable ads then they need to change their ad model not block things. 


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Ad blocked that doesn't work on YouTube and blocks the ability to install your own ad blocker :P


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good , but id imagine that adblock will still Show adsence ads


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4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I don't use Chrome on desktop so I don't care but on mobile this will be godsend.

On mobile use AdAway. Or DNS66 if its not rooted.

They offer system-wide protection through the hosts file or VPN function that is already on the phone, thus takes very little resources to run. They also cannot be manipulated by corporations/outside entities. You control what is blocked or whitelisted, and can include curated lists that stop not only ads, but also known malicious domains and web elements. All attempts to resolve blocked domains will return 127.0.0.1


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This makes an incredible amount of sense, this will keep people from installing other adblockers and google will still show ads from google adsense.

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7 hours ago, Orangeator said:

They are not forcing anyone to use their products, we by free will choose to use their products. You don't have to use Chrome, it's their product and they have every right to do what they want with it. It is no the governments place to intervene because it is a possible web browser.

free will is a myth, stop presenting it as a fact to justify your political alignment.

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Hey even if they only allow google approved ads, I am all in.

 

The reason I will and always will have an adblocker is 90% of malware comes from these adsites that dont regulate or even check the ads. Good for google!

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HA! Opera has had this over a year now


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2 hours ago, tlink said:

free will is a myth, stop presenting it as a fact to justify your political alignment.

Um, no... Free will is a very real thing. Right now in this moment I can decide to slap my face. Nobody told me to do that, nobody or thing can stop me from doing that, it is by complete free will that I can slap my face right now. "Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action."

Just like I can right now decide to use Firefox instead of Chrome, that is by my own free will. Free will is not a myth, no idea wtf you are talking about.


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1 hour ago, SamStrecker said:

HA! Opera has had this over a year now

Well Opera collects all your data and sends it to China, so there's that.

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Monopoly tactics.

 - Chrome is the most used web browser by considerable margins. Reaching almost 60%!

 - Google will only allow its own advertisement.

 - Most users don't know what ad blockers are, let alone extensions.

 - Websites will have to switch to Google advertisement platform else, have no ad revenue.

 - Google ad platform fully tracks viewers (ignoring Chrome)

 

This will kill websites, and push for aggressive embedded ads, like fake news that acts as sponsors without a trace that it is paid content. Providing false information to readers. When every sites will do stuff like this, there is no "alternative choice".

 

Sites can't even block Chrome users, as viewers will go somewhere else, and not switch to better alternatives.

 

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5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Well, there is more to the IE story than just "oh your browser has gotten too popular!".

 

Among other things, Microsoft went around and threatened PC makers to revoke their Windows licensing deals if they installed Netscape on the computers they sold. That played a big role in the lawsuit against IE.

 

I'm aware of the details, it was more of an example of a software anti-trust case than anything since he thought that it was a completely free market.

 


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10 hours ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

 

 

If this comes to fruition, I imagine it will follow a similar practice of some ad-blockers that whitelist acceptable ad types though without having to pay to be whitelisted. 

 

Sauce: https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-plans-ad-blocking-feature-in-popular-chrome-browser-1492643233

 

 I think the fact that third part adblockers such as Adblock Plus are causing a loss in revenue to google is why they might be implementing their own native adblocker, it allows people to browse ad-free without costing google a loss in revenue. So I agree with your reasoning as to what their practice will be if they make a native adblocker.

 

Additionally I for one don't mind text ads in my google searches, they're not distracting or ruthlessly malicious so there is no harm done, if Google does go through with this (and gets it right) then kudos to them, this means I can just install Chrome and not have to install an adblocker in order to avoid ads constantly trying to force me into downloading their software and browser extensions.


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6 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Monopoly tactics.

 - Chrome is the most used web browser by considerable margins. Reaching almost 60%!

 - Google will only allow its own advertisement.

 - Most users don't know what ad blockers are, let alone extensions.

 - Websites will have to switch to Google advertisement platform else, have no ad revenue.

 - Google ad platform fully tracks viewers (ignoring Chrome)

 

This will kill websites, and push for aggressive embedded ads, like fake news that acts as sponsors without a trace that it is paid content. Providing false information to readers. When every sites will do stuff like this, there is no "alternative choice".

 

Sites can't even block Chrome users, as viewers will go somewhere else, and not switch to better alternatives.

 

 
 

According to US law, having a monopoly is not illegal. The part that is illegal is gaining that monopoly through unfair means. You're also assuming Google will use this to assert a further monopoly which is a valid thought, but they usually are pretty fair in these types of scenarios.

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Section 2 of the Sherman Act makes it unlawful for a company to "monopolize, or attempt to monopolize," trade or commerce. As that law has been interpreted, it is not illegal for a company to have a monopoly, to charge "high prices," or to try to achieve a monopoly position by what might be viewed by some as particularly aggressive methods. The law is violated only if the company tries to maintain or acquire a monopoly through unreasonable methods. For the courts, a key factor in determining what is unreasonable is whether the practice has a legitimate business justification.

 
 

 

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct


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