G.Skill Trident Z RGB compatible with Ryzen?

[Mortis Angelus]

Hello,

 

there seem to be a lot of fuzz on the interweb regarding compatibility issues with the new Ryzen chips. So far it seems like one should buy G.Skill Flare X memory for proper compatibility. But has anyone tested if Ryzen works with Trident Z and Trident Z RGB memory? Someone wrote that the Trident Z use the same samsung memory as the flare x, and should thus be compatible.

 

Also, is it so that Ryzen rejects 3000 mhz memory? That it should be either 2933 or 3200, but nothing inbetween? Or have I misunderstood something?

[crzyces]

4 minutes ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Hello,

 

there seem to be a lot of fuzz on the interweb regarding compatibility issues with the new Ryzen chips. So far it seems like one should buy G.Skill Flare X memory for proper compatibility. But has anyone tested if Ryzen works with Trident Z and Trident Z RGB memory? Someone wrote that the Trident Z use the same samsung memory as the flare x, and should thus be compatible.

 

Also, is it so that Ryzen rejects 3000 mhz memory? That it should be either 2933 or 3200, but nothing inbetween? Or have I misunderstood something?

Most of the 2933 and up are OC'd. Ryzen works very well withRAM based on the Samsung di. Trident Z is one of those. Hope that helps a bit.

[DrMikeNZ]

G.Skill themselves recommended their 3200MHz 2x8GB kits of RGB RAM on their forums to users wanting RGB RAM in Ryzen Builds.

Since then, several people have had their RGB RAM die due to the motherboards overwriting the RAM's SPD information, and G.Skill has refused warranty claims as the RAM SPD had been modified. As the RGB RAM requires the use of unstable beta software that uses write access to the memory modules, they are at your own risk.

 

Currently, the RGB RAM modules have only been qualified on Z170 and Z270 boards, although recent beta versions of the software added "support" for X99 and X370 chipsets. Although "support" is not something that I would associate with G.Skill.

 

The RAM should use the same memory dies as the Trident-Z, so 'should' be compatible.

[Ticas]

Hey,

 

Has the new software (v1.00.16 BETA) resolved this issue ?

 

Is there any way to turn off the LED from BIOS and not to light up when i power on the system ?

[Mortis Angelus]

19 minutes ago, Ticas said:

Hey,

 

Has the new software (v1.00.16 BETA) resolved this issue ?

 

Is there any way to turn off the LED from BIOS and not to light up when i power on the system ?

Pardon my stupid question, but why would you want to disable leds after you have paid extra to get leds in the first place?

[suits]

Mine works. 3200 MHz

[crzyces]

1 minute ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Pardon my stupid question, but why would you want to disable leds after you have paid extra to get leds in the first place?

The leds were screwing with clock speeds, blowing out in general. Just causing various issues.

[jjohnthedon1]

Does all ddr4 ram not work with ryzen

im looking at a x370 krait mobo and corsair vengeance 3200mhz kit 

 

does it have to specify ryzen because the board says it supports 3200mhz ram 

[suits]

3 hours ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Does all ddr4 ram not work with ryzen

im looking at a x370 krait mobo and corsair vengeance 3200mhz kit 

 

does it have to specify ryzen because the board says it supports 3200mhz ram 

In theory it should, in practice no. But Corsair Vengeance is on the list of supported RAM for most boards. It's actually the RAM AMD sent to reviewers.

[Ticas]

13 hours ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Pardon my stupid question, but why would you want to disable leds after you have paid extra to get leds in the first place?

Well until the Bios/Software problem is resolved,after that of course i will turn them on ! :))

[Ticas]

13 hours ago, suits said:

Mine works. 3200 MHz

What mobo do you have ? is it a mobo with LEDs and do you have a software to control them ? Because i understood this is causing troubles with the memories, it overwrites something on the Dimms and they don't work after that.

 

[Mortis Angelus]

10 hours ago, suits said:

In theory it should, in practice no. But Corsair Vengeance is on the list of supported RAM for most boards. It's actually the RAM AMD sent to reviewers.

But the problem has not been compatibility between mobo and RAM, but between CPU and RAM?

[suits]

31 minutes ago, Ticas said:

What mobo do you have ? is it a mobo with LEDs and do you have a software to control them ? Because i understood this is causing troubles with the memories, it overwrites something on the Dimms and they don't work after that.

 

Crosshair Hero. I use aura sync. No problems yet at least. RGB galore 

[suits]

2 minutes ago, Mortis Angelus said:

But the problem has not been compatibility between mobo and RAM, but between CPU and RAM?

Yeah but the bios and microcode add support for more memory. That's why you can find the supported ram in the motherboard information. 

[Mortis Angelus]

4 minutes ago, suits said:

Crosshair Hero. I use aura sync. No problems yet at least. RGB galore 

That is nice to hear, because that is the combo I am aiming for as well... 

 

Can I buy the 3000 mhz modules and OC them to 3200? Or should I buy 3200 modules from the get go? I ask, because there is a significant price difference between 3000 and 3200 Trident Z RGB (and there are no slower options for the 4-module 32 gb pack).

[Ticas]

16 minutes ago, suits said:

Crosshair Hero. I use aura sync. No problems yet at least. RGB galore 

What Bios version do you use ( 1002 or other version). Since when you have them? and did you O.C. them ?

 

I am interested in F4-3866C18D-16GTZR (Trident z ddr4 3866 cl18). I know Ryzen only supports 3600 O.C but i am hopping it will support 3866 with other iterations .

 

Do you guys think is better to go for the 3600 instead ?

[suits]

2 hours ago, Ticas said:

What Bios version do you use ( 1002 or other version). Since when you have them? and did you O.C. them ?

 

I am interested in F4-3866C18D-16GTZR (Trident z ddr4 3866 cl18). I know Ryzen only supports 3600 O.C but i am hopping it will support 3866 with other iterations .

 

Do you guys think is better to go for the 3600 instead ?

1002. I've had the ram sticks for a while since they came out. Mine are 3600 sticks. I've only ever gotten them to 3200

[aceofspasms]

Seems TridentZ 3600 Mhz is running nicely with Ryzen.

 

 

[Ticas]

It's based on silicon lottery. Some IMCs inside Ryzen CPUs can't handle those speeds and/or the bios is not yet matured. And you have to BLCK oc to get to 3600.

[ProjectOverkill]

I'm running the trident z RGB 4x8 3200mhz. They will only post at 2133. Haven't been able to get them past that with any timings. I know ryzen is having problems with using all 4 channels.

 

Im running 

Crosshair vi

R7 1800x

32gig trident z Rbg at 2133mhz

960 pro m.2

850 Evo 

Custom water loop all EK parts and block

dual RX480s 

 

EDIT: I am on the R7 machine now and just booted it at 2400mhz.

 

 

 

 

EDIT EDIT:

 

Am running at 4050mhz across all cores. Ram is at 2400mhz 16-18-18-38

Just pulled at 1756 on Cinebench. Had to crop the picture because I'm running 4k on a 32in monitor.

 

 

 

Here is CPUZ bench compared to a 6950X.

A few tweaks specially if I could get my ram to run at 3200mhz bet I could take down that 1700 dollar CPU.

 

 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, ProjectOverkill said:

Had to crop the picture because I'm running 4k on a 32in monitor.

 

The size of your monitor will not impact the size of your screen capture.  Resolution is the only thing that matters.

 

3 hours ago, ProjectOverkill said:

Here is CPUZ bench compared to a 6950X.

A few tweaks specially if I could get my ram to run at 3200mhz bet I could take down that 1700 dollar CPU.

 

You should see what happens to those 10 cores when you raise the stock clock speed of 3.0 GHz up to 4.5 GHz.  

 

 

[MageTank]

4 hours ago, ProjectOverkill said:

I'm running the trident z RGB 4x8 3200mhz. They will only post at 2133. Haven't been able to get them past that with any timings. I know ryzen is having problems with using all 4 channels.

 

Im running 

Crosshair vi

R7 1800x

32gig trident z Rbg at 2133mhz

960 pro m.2

850 Evo 

Custom water loop all EK parts and block

dual RX480s 

 

EDIT: I am on the R7 machine now and just booted it at 2400mhz.

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT EDIT:

 

Am running at 4050mhz across all cores. Ram is at 2400mhz 16-18-18-38

Just pulled at 1756 on Cinebench. Had to crop the picture because I'm running 4k on a 32in monitor.

 

 

 

 

 

Here is CPUZ bench compared to a 6950X.

A few tweaks specially if I could get my ram to run at 3200mhz bet I could take down that 1700 dollar CPU.

 

 

 

It's not an issue of using "all 4 channels" as Ryzen only has 2 channels. It's issues arise when using 2DPC (Dimms per channel). This could be fixed if you had access to specific tertiary timings (_DD suffixes) as you could alleviate the stress imposed by 2DPC. After I take care of some of my other projects, I'll invest in Ryzen simply to see if I can get that IMC to bend a little. In the mean time, you have to stick to the classic tricks. CPU straps (DRAM ratio, BCLK, etc) are key for reaching higher clocks; as well as using specifically binned IC's and boards with superior trace topology, but to mitigate the flaws Ryzen has with multi-rank kits and 2DPC, there is not much we can do, at least not yet anyways.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 hour ago, done12many2 said:

You should see what happens to those 10 cores when you raise the stock clock speed of 3.0 GHz up to 4.5 GHz.  

It's CPU-Z. If you use Cinebench the stock 6950X would be faster than a 4.1GHz 1800X

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It's CPU-Z. If you use Cinebench the stock 6950X would be faster than a 4.1GHz 1800X

 

Yeah, CPUz is garbage.  My old 6950x at 4.5 GHz scored 2344cb in Cinebench R15.  That was with 3200 memory running off the stock XMP.  I'm sure with some tweaking, that chip was going to break 2400cb with ease.  Hoping for 3000cb + with 12 core Skylake-X parts.  

[ProjectOverkill]

A 6950x also costs ~1650 where the 1800x costs ~450.