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Which Windows operating system is the most hated in history?

Which operating system made by Microsoft is the most hated?  

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  1. 1. Which one did you despised the most?

    • Windows Me (Millennium Edition)
    • Windows Vista
    • Windows 8
    • Windows 10
    • Some other Windows version/s (specify which one in the comments)


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On 4/26/2017 at 8:45 PM, Dabombinable said:

Still not seeing any of the problems that Windows ME apparently had-the rig has been running for over 48 hours straight now and I'm starting to download games directly to it:

Specs of the rig:

 

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  • WD800BB (80GB 7200RPM HDD, late revision-faster+less prone to sudden failure

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Which revision is your WD800BB?  I have a 32CAA0, dated 24 SEP 2001.  It was the first hard drive I ever personally bought, at some local trade show, iirc, in the early 2000s.  Interestingly, although it wasn't sold as "used" / "refurb", when I got it, it already had some other things on it. :o

 

 

I used that drive, mostly as a data drive (maybe briefly as an OS drive as well but I forget now) until sometime before or during 2012.  (I don't feel like turning my other PC on right now to look at the most recent datestamps of the files from a partition I pulled off that drive.)


 

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Anyway, back in January this year, I plugged the drive into my PC (had to use a PCI-E to IDE/SATA card I had laying around), turned it on, and.....

https://goo.gl/photos/QFAUMHTsYJwwMQ677

 

Interestingly, though, about a month or two ago I plugged it in again, powered up .... I think it clicked once, or was about to, then it detected! :o Although, I think it showed as 00CAA0 or something like that.  This time it was on a slightly taller stack of books, and I may have had it and my WD2500JB-53EVA0 plugged in a bit differently on the controller / cable.

First thing I did was fire up Linux, and start copying the partitions with GParted to one of my 5TB HGST NAS drives I had plugged in (that I'd been copying a bunch of other things to.)  I got through the first two partitions fine (NTFS), then it hung up while copying the ext2 (iirc) partition, then both IDE drives dropped from the system.

 

On next bootup, the 80GB was clicking again.  I jostled it around a bit and got it working, but this time I started using other utilities (like TestDisk) to inspect partitions.  Although I could see stuff on the Linux partition, I was having trouble mounting it, or mounting another drive so I could restore.  Thankfully though, I didn't find anything of value in the /home/user folder (or wherever the Linux equivalent of "C:\Users" is, I forget atm.)

 

At some point I was fiddling around with partitions on the 250GB drive - IIRC, creating a partition, so I could benchmark it with CrystalDiskMark.  I'd someday like to do a comparison benchmark of general Windows/PC usage (not gaming), using various storage devices as swap drives in low-RAM systems - an IDE drive, 5400rpm SATA, 7200rpm SATA, SATA SSD, and NVMe SSD, the last of which I don't yet have, and see which is fastest (and by how much), for situations when you've already installed the max RAM your motherboard will support, and your board doesn't support Optane. :P  I'd just have only 2 or 4 GB RAM installed (or 8GB which is the size DDR3 stick I have times four) to make it easier to max out the RAM, for example with a few hundred Chrome tabs.


 

Anyway, in the course of that, booting up again, and the 80GB drive clicked again, and I haven't re-resurrected it yet.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, dangeredwolf said:

Okay, I think you're exaggerating a bit.

 

It's more like requiring a minimum of an i5-6600K and 12 GB of RAM nowadays, with at least a 980 or a 1070 to run Aero.

 

It's not like total insanity like Titan Xps in SLI, but your average joe's i3 machine would never be able to run it, your grandparents' PC wouldn't even come close. But if you were using higher end hardware, you'd probably get along perfectly fine. 

 

This was especially crippling for laptops: Fitting with the previous analysis, most laptops for example lack 1070-level performance. They don't have CPUs comparable to a 6600K. They rarely come with more than 8 GB of RAM unless you spend a ton of money.

 

Interesting.  So by "minimum", I've always understood it to mean, said software won't run at all if you're even 1 notch below that on any one part.

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Right at the minimum, it would run, but the experience would be terrible.  (For example, playing a game at 256x144, with such low graphics settings that even if you're knifing someone as a spy in TF2, you can't even tell if they're a heavy or a scout - like some heavily compressed youtube videos or low bitrate twitch streams for example, AND peaking at like 5fps with your face in a wall, average being more like 2-3fps, battles dipping to <0.09 fps.)

Or is it possible that's what it used to mean?  Cause I've fairly recently heard of people benchmarking games on a bit less than the "minimum", and still getting 30fps at 720p low/medium settings (which would still be like "ultra high" compared to my previous example, for example seeing clearly to snipe/headshot someone across the yard on well or dustbowl without using the scope as sniper).

 

 

I almost wonder how well my dad's Dell D830 (Core 2 Duo T7250, 2x1GB DDR2-667, WD5000BPKT, Intel GMA GPU IIRC) would run Windows 10, or 7.  He still has XP on it, it'd be nice to get him off it, and he doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to replace the laptop.  I'm not so sure it'd be worth putting an SSD in it, considering its age, nor upgrading the RAM to 4GB.  (maybe 8GB, but support seems iffy at best from what I read online.)

 

My laptop (that I'm using right now) has a 6700K (started with i3-6100 then got the i7 last Black Friday for $260), 40GB RAM (started with 8, then bought 2x16 last October and within a week the price shot up), and a 250GB Crucial MX200 + 2TB Seagate/Samsung M9T, but only a 970M and no apparent upgrade path beyond a 980M, to like a 1060 or 1070 even though it uses an MXM slot.  Even so it does fine running WIndows 10 Pro, except maybe when I have too many tabs open & run up against the 40GB RAM ceiling. :P

 

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And that's before running all the VMs I'd like to run, AND I didn't have video editing software open at the time. :o I hope I can add all that workload on my next system (maybe when DDR5/PCI-E 4.0 comes out), without having to use swap or get a HEDT/server board. :/

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1 hour ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

 

Which revision is your WD800BB?  I have a 32CAA0, dated 24 SEP 2001.  It was the first hard drive I ever personally bought, at some local trade show, iirc, in the early 2000s.  Interestingly, although it wasn't sold as "used" / "refurb", when I got it, it already had some other things on it. :o

 

 

I used that drive, mostly as a data drive (maybe briefly as an OS drive as well but I forget now) until sometime before or during 2012.  (I don't feel like turning my other PC on right now to look at the most recent datestamps of the files from a partition I pulled off that drive.)


 

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Anyway, back in January this year, I plugged the drive into my PC (had to use a PCI-E to IDE/SATA card I had laying around), turned it on, and.....

https://goo.gl/photos/QFAUMHTsYJwwMQ677

 

Interestingly, though, about a month or two ago I plugged it in again, powered up .... I think it clicked once, or was about to, then it detected! :o Although, I think it showed as 00CAA0 or something like that.  This time it was on a slightly taller stack of books, and I may have had it and my WD2500JB-53EVA0 plugged in a bit differently on the controller / cable.

First thing I did was fire up Linux, and start copying the partitions with GParted to one of my 5TB HGST NAS drives I had plugged in (that I'd been copying a bunch of other things to.)  I got through the first two partitions fine (NTFS), then it hung up while copying the ext2 (iirc) partition, then both IDE drives dropped from the system.

 

On next bootup, the 80GB was clicking again.  I jostled it around a bit and got it working, but this time I started using other utilities (like TestDisk) to inspect partitions.  Although I could see stuff on the Linux partition, I was having trouble mounting it, or mounting another drive so I could restore.  Thankfully though, I didn't find anything of value in the /home/user folder (or wherever the Linux equivalent of "C:\Users" is, I forget atm.)

 

At some point I was fiddling around with partitions on the 250GB drive - IIRC, creating a partition, so I could benchmark it with CrystalDiskMark.  I'd someday like to do a comparison benchmark of general Windows/PC usage (not gaming), using various storage devices as swap drives in low-RAM systems - an IDE drive, 5400rpm SATA, 7200rpm SATA, SATA SSD, and NVMe SSD, the last of which I don't yet have, and see which is fastest (and by how much), for situations when you've already installed the max RAM your motherboard will support, and your board doesn't support Optane. :P  I'd just have only 2 or 4 GB RAM installed (or 8GB which is the size DDR3 stick I have times four) to make it easier to max out the RAM, for example with a few hundred Chrome tabs.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in the course of that, booting up again, and the 80GB drive clicked again, and I haven't re-resurrected it yet.

 

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I'm not sure. Its the model with the standard black chassis, but a bare aluminium lid. Unlike the older all black models (which my Mum had in her old Celeron D desktop, and that WD800BB only lasted 14 months)


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55 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I'm not sure. Its the model with the standard black chassis, but a bare aluminium lid. Unlike the older all black models (which my Mum had in her old Celeron D desktop, and that WD800BB only lasted 14 months)

Ah. Do you know if it looks at all like this one (on the left)?

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47 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Ah. Do you know if it looks at all like this one (on the left)?

yvIogGsK0JshuUb8_55Yp536p0RMpKXyBkcxJpAFZx0vyZG5vTWUVSO7n3a70xVNXNCP_9AzsH2QDFVvV8zSvzLlNFfdTy16KxSQz9deEosD8wdr-SN-dJIeI4GE3JGu8jqabsgdzh-N6RtyWEZa4DsIfLrNbnxZXOK73dUiDmSHaY4-9ph1kswu1R3_HtxC1fzflrAs0Bl1hynWXd4ndhgvBFrsDa9XG8TddFtGDdeo_vOlFGRDrLVAiwHj1dluohavcJcgwXsmRP06NYiL9yMdr5m4jpmbMjJ9lLZOI8sd5S_CTPel7MVqQespJCicEbUQj_HvDR320ks4R9vkkKGWbuocPowU1NPES2XhP5C8gcYELwmckkWrjHTCJ6IldW-Y7AcaDK4joQ8P8yFTUnof2-SLz-T2DarvG35eQgrzVswmSnZx3q1gMJXbkshPytQ9pFy3J9QHGvOau8qSD56jYDJ4wo2od4KoqOmo8bUPbrFxoYOFWSwBYoNiaL-8Etm0k9Eis7Wge96mrX1PrCSEwtQRZb6cz_Sft3gSANWGKqum2lZ562bcmQOz0f1JjhVri0M5JGZxZS6VGcnR3ACXncRFrDU9TiPEuSU3dNp11-ExBSlT8WfN5ld_goL60BDxQRQG6Hf7SvCoeV_YWcK-fNOCcPPx8MFYirayKw=w960-h640-no

I had a similar hard drive back in 2004 with the same capacity but it's Seagate. 

  • Single core Intel Pentium 4 
  • 512 MB memory 
  • Intel D865PERL motherboard 
  • ATI Radeon graphics (can't remember the number) 
  • 80 GB Seagate hard drive 
  • It has a CD-ROM and a CD-R/RW/DVD-ROM drives 
  • Dual boot Windows XP and Windows 2000 

I don't think dual booting Windows is still possible thanks to that pesky UEFI secure & trusted boot and also Microsoft being a dick by refusing drivers for newer hardware. 


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1 hour ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Ah. Do you know if it looks at all like this one (on the left)?

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Neither-there seems to be a lot of different models:

The one I have: 

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The one from my Mum's old desktop:
 

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Edit: Looking at what reviewers were using at the time, I need to do my own HDD benchmarks with my Abit VP6+2x Pentium III 1000. Though this is what I got with my PCIe IDE/SATA RAID card in this desktop
 

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I've voted Vista, but only because there was no Windows95 option! Does nobody remember what it was like upgrading to that fucker? I lost weeks of my life trying to get Windows 95 installed and working on all kinds of machines... Vista was absolutely terrible, some might argue completely unnecessary, but I never again lost so much time... perhaps I just learned my lesson?

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Which revision is your WD800BB?  I have a 32CAA0, dated 24 SEP 2001.  It was the first hard drive I ever personally bought, at some local trade show, iirc, in the early 2000s.  Interestingly, although it wasn't sold as "used" / "refurb", when I got it, it already had some other things on it. :o

 

 

I used that drive, mostly as a data drive (maybe briefly as an OS drive as well but I forget now) until sometime before or during 2012.  (I don't feel like turning my other PC on right now to look at the most recent datestamps of the files from a partition I pulled off that drive.)


 

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Anyway, back in January this year, I plugged the drive into my PC (had to use a PCI-E to IDE/SATA card I had laying around), turned it on, and.....

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Interestingly, though, about a month or two ago I plugged it in again, powered up .... I think it clicked once, or was about to, then it detected! :o Although, I think it showed as 00CAA0 or something like that.  This time it was on a slightly taller stack of books, and I may have had it and my WD2500JB-53EVA0 plugged in a bit differently on the controller / cable.

First thing I did was fire up Linux, and start copying the partitions with GParted to one of my 5TB HGST NAS drives I had plugged in (that I'd been copying a bunch of other things to.)  I got through the first two partitions fine (NTFS), then it hung up while copying the ext2 (iirc) partition, then both IDE drives dropped from the system.

 

On next bootup, the 80GB was clicking again.  I jostled it around a bit and got it working, but this time I started using other utilities (like TestDisk) to inspect partitions.  Although I could see stuff on the Linux partition, I was having trouble mounting it, or mounting another drive so I could restore.  Thankfully though, I didn't find anything of value in the /home/user folder (or wherever the Linux equivalent of "C:\Users" is, I forget atm.)

 

At some point I was fiddling around with partitions on the 250GB drive - IIRC, creating a partition, so I could benchmark it with CrystalDiskMark.  I'd someday like to do a comparison benchmark of general Windows/PC usage (not gaming), using various storage devices as swap drives in low-RAM systems - an IDE drive, 5400rpm SATA, 7200rpm SATA, SATA SSD, and NVMe SSD, the last of which I don't yet have, and see which is fastest (and by how much), for situations when you've already installed the max RAM your motherboard will support, and your board doesn't support Optane. :P  I'd just have only 2 or 4 GB RAM installed (or 8GB which is the size DDR3 stick I have times four) to make it easier to max out the RAM, for example with a few hundred Chrome tabs.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in the course of that, booting up again, and the 80GB drive clicked again, and I haven't re-resurrected it yet.

 

 

 

 

Interesting.  So by "minimum", I've always understood it to mean, said software won't run at all if you're even 1 notch below that on any one part.

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Right at the minimum, it would run, but the experience would be terrible.  (For example, playing a game at 256x144, with such low graphics settings that even if you're knifing someone as a spy in TF2, you can't even tell if they're a heavy or a scout - like some heavily compressed youtube videos or low bitrate twitch streams for example, AND peaking at like 5fps with your face in a wall, average being more like 2-3fps, battles dipping to <0.09 fps.)

Or is it possible that's what it used to mean?  Cause I've fairly recently heard of people benchmarking games on a bit less than the "minimum", and still getting 30fps at 720p low/medium settings (which would still be like "ultra high" compared to my previous example, for example seeing clearly to snipe/headshot someone across the yard on well or dustbowl without using the scope as sniper).

 

 

I almost wonder how well my dad's Dell D830 (Core 2 Duo T7250, 2x1GB DDR2-667, WD5000BPKT, Intel GMA GPU IIRC) would run Windows 10, or 7.  He still has XP on it, it'd be nice to get him off it, and he doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to replace the laptop.  I'm not so sure it'd be worth putting an SSD in it, considering its age, nor upgrading the RAM to 4GB.  (maybe 8GB, but support seems iffy at best from what I read online.)

 

My laptop (that I'm using right now) has a 6700K (started with i3-6100 then got the i7 last Black Friday for $260), 40GB RAM (started with 8, then bought 2x16 last October and within a week the price shot up), and a 250GB Crucial MX200 + 2TB Seagate/Samsung M9T, but only a 970M and no apparent upgrade path beyond a 980M, to like a 1060 or 1070 even though it uses an MXM slot.  Even so it does fine running WIndows 10 Pro, except maybe when I have too many tabs open & run up against the 40GB RAM ceiling. :P

 

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And that's before running all the VMs I'd like to run, AND I didn't have video editing software open at the time. :o I hope I can add all that workload on my next system (maybe when DDR5/PCI-E 4.0 comes out), without having to use swap or get a HEDT/server board. :/

A Core 2 Duo would run Windows 7 or 10, even 64-bit, just fine. And yes, an SSD is a good idea.

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i hated vista the most. soooo laggy


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I guess the thing that makes me angry the most is knowing that Windows 10 it's really good, like man! In its current state, if you are honest, you have to see its a really good SO overall, they improved a lot of difficult areas really fast like the touch support. Which means is here to stay.... which means spying on us is gonna become reaaaaally mainstream... Personally I use o%o shutup, but with the time I'm sure it's gonna become more difficult to block their telemetry... Ugh. I so wish I could work with more alternatives rather than only Windows, I always feel a bit vulnerable only being able to work on Windows, I'd love to be able to jump between Windows, Linux and MacOS as I pleased being able to avoid the worst eras of the three of them... But I'm chained to Windows because the software unless I change my career which... not gonna happen. Damn it :/

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I guess the thing that makes me angry the most is knowing that Windows 10 it's really good, like man! In its current state, if you are honest, you have to see its a really good SO overall, they improved a lot of difficult areas really fast like the touch support. Which means is here to stay.... which means spying on us is gonna become reaaaaally mainstream... Personally I use o%o shutup, but with the time I'm sure it's gonna become more difficult to block their telemetry... Ugh. I so wish I could work with more alternatives rather than only Windows, I always feel a bit vulnerable only being able to work on Windows, I'd love to be able to jump between Windows, Linux and MacOS as I pleased being able to avoid the worst eras of the three of them... But I'm chained to Windows because the software unless I change my career which... not gonna happen. Damn it :/

They've become a lot more transparent with what they take with telemetry after the Creator's Update. 

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3190030/windows/windows-10-privacy-settings-whats-new-in-the-creators-update.html

 

You can now choose between 'Basic' and 'Full' telemetry, and they actually publish what the difference is and how much data 'Basic' takes. 


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IMO, I think the Windows 7 is the worst OS, as when the evalution period ends, the OS will change the background into black. Unlike Windows 8/8.1/10 , they just prevent the users from personalise and left a watermark


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Didn't have any problems with ME or Vista myself. Well, with ME it was the end of the 9x line anyway, and it had the 9x problems, but no worse. I was using it before making the switch to Windows 2000.

 

Vista also didn't give me any major problems. The extra background stuff didn't help, but it really wasn't much different than what we know as Win7.

 

Win8.0 gets my vote. The start screen thing. Who at MS though it was a good idea to cripple their cash cow, in the vague hopes of getting possible traction in the mobile space.

 

Win10 has its problems for sure, but it isn't as bad as 8.x. 

 

I'd ask a similar question: how many are using what OS now? Is all the hate for Win10 still real, or has there been a tangible shift since the time of its launch?


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For me it was windows 8. I had so many frustrating WTF moments when first using it. 

 

It was so bad microsoft was actually blamed for  declining pc sales after its release. 


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4 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

For me it was windows 8. I had so many frustrating WTF moments when first using it. 

 

It was so bad microsoft was actually blamed for  declining pc sales after its release. 

No. The declining PC sales is actually about laptops and pre-built systems. The enthusiast portion of the PC market is actually growing.


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I think it's best to look at the context of the times when Windows 8 came out before we start pointing the finger at Microsoft.

  • The PC market was highly saturated and a lot of consumers I'd wager don't upgrade for at least three-four years.
    • Since it was likely lots of people skipped Vista and Windows 7 came out at the tail end of the recession, it was likely anyone who wanted a new computer probably bought one at the latter half of 7's life once they could afford it.
  • Smartphones and tablets were starting to take off, which started to become the dominant computer of choice for consumers to do their daily activities.
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The oldest I have used was probably 95 (or one that looked like it with those grey-like tiles) when I was a wee baby-toddler. Then used XP. Didn't think of OS' at all at this point. We just played games (mostly LEGO Racers, Toy Story and eventually Half Life - where we essentially ran in circles) on them and that was it.

 

My first computer had Windows 7. I liked it. It just worked. I looked forward to how they'd innovate from here on out.

 

Then I got a Windows 8 laptop. Worst. Experience. Ever. Got malware that lasted for months (absolutely NOTHING detected it!!) - I stopped using the PC and converted to the mighty penguin. Also, that W8 sucker BSODed like MAD!!!! (I believed the malware came from a compromised ad inside a legal freeware pop-up)

 

Then Microsoft announced Windows 10 where they promised to dump or change all of the bad Windows 8 features like no start menu. This made me happy. Then they screwed us over with atrocious privacy settings and automatic reboots while you were working - even though I had PURCHASED RETAIL copies of Windows 8.1 PROFESSIONAL. I am a respectful and mature person and I understand their intentions in wanting their users to be secure from all threats - also understanding that one bad infected apple can spoil the rest. But whoever thought of implementing this idea was a dumbass.

 

1) Purchased and legal

2) Retail - more expensive

3) Professional version

 

The only way to disable this crap before Creators update was to buy the Enterprise edition which costs I assume hundreds-thousands of pounds and is only for businesses.

Reason 1 should alone be sufficient for them not to screw around with our PCs while we're using them. 2 and 3 just make it a joke. I'd reluctantly understand if it was for Insider Preview but it aint

 

So for clarification, from Windows 7, they've just gotten worse and worse.

 

But I have to use Windows 10 for gaming and work. Thankfully Creators allows us to PAUSE updates for up to 35 days!!! Though updating and not restarting should be a flippen option!

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Windows isn't a bad OS. But where it is bad (when going against its penguin and apple competition), it is BAD.

 

Windows, for example, needs a centralised software manager like in Linux where you can automatically update all software at the same time. Out of date software that doesn't have automatic updates coded in by the devs is ground 0 for simple penetration testing/hacks.

 

And other reasons...

 

There are parts of 10 I like. But it's my worst experience of a Microsoft OS. I stopped using 8 for months until 10 was released because of the malware - but that was down to 1 malware and not intentional and terrible business decisions by Microsoft. They seem to be completely out of touch with their customers.

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On 9/4/2017 at 8:41 AM, TechQuest said:

IMO, I think the Windows 7 is the worst OS, as when the evalution period ends, the OS will change the background into black. Unlike Windows 8/8.1/10 , they just prevent the users from personalise and left a watermark

I think the changing of background to black only happens if someone installs a pirated copy of Windows 7. 

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Other: Windows 8 RT

 

Oh God, I bought a second generation windows surface with RT going off to college... worst decision ever. From being slow and completely locked down, to the new experience of windows 8 for the first time (after being well adjusted to 7), I was left with a horrible impression of tablets from my experience with that second generation surface. Even to this day I still have trouble accepting tablets even though I know I just had an unusually bad experience since I was a dumb consumer that didn't know what I was buying at the time. The only good thing about that surface was the mag-safe knock-off style charger it had.


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On 11/25/2017 at 11:51 AM, hey_yo_ said:

I think the changing of background to black only happens if someone installs a pirated copy of Windows 7. 

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Nope. If its is unregistered no matter what it will do that.


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