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Is it worth it to upgrade from a Radeon R9 390X to a GTX 1080 Ti?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

As the title suggests, I currently own an R9 390X and I'm wondering if it's worth it to upgrade to a GTX 1080 Ti.  Also, does anyone know if the GTX 1080 Ti is currently the best high-end graphics card?  If not, then what it?  I'm doing a big upgrade soon and I wanna get the best of the best.  Thanks!

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Depends what Res and such. But yes it is much more powerful.


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You might want to wait for Vega and Volta?


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For gaming the GTX 1080Ti is the best.

 

According to Nvidia the new Titan Xp is a "deep learning" card and not meant for gaming.

 

I would personally think it worth it if you are playing above 1080p. If you are only playing at 1080p, then the 1080ti is useless. 


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Just now, GamerTheGr8 said:

Is there an ETA for the release?

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1 minute ago, GamerTheGr8 said:

Is there an ETA for the release?

Vega is supposed to be this month or next. Volta, probably a year out.


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Probably, you can either wait for the Vega or buy it now, with benchmarking specs you'll see a 60-120 fps improvement in 1080p games.  Tho you probably want to hit us up with some specs of your current pc to see if anything will get bottlenecked cause if you're pc can't handle it you'll just waste your money.

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3 minutes ago, rcald2000 said:

Yes, I would make that upgrade.  Would you mind listing your full specs, including your power supply's manufacturer and model number?

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7 minutes ago, GamerTheGr8 said:

Well here's the specs I'm going to have after the upgrade:

CPU: Ryzen 7 1800x

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MoBo: ASUS Prime X370-Pro

Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower 1500W 80 Plus Gold (I know it's a bit overkill, deal with it)

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Not sure if this is a full list tbh, just now getting back into the system building scene and I feel like I'm missing something.  Please notify me if I am.

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Well here's the specs I'm going to have after the upgrade:

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Not sure if this is a full list tbh, just now getting back into the system building scene and I feel like I'm missing something.  Please notify me if I am.

Get an SSD. And I know you said "deal with it," but please, get a different PSU. Something reasonably like the Corsair RM850X or whatever is good on the PSU tier list


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23 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

For gaming the GTX 1080Ti is the best.

 

According to Nvidia the new Titan Xp is a "deep learning" card and not meant for gaming.

 

I would personally think it worth it if you are playing above 1080p. If you are only playing at 1080p, then the 1080ti is useless. 

Not really, it's just a 1080 ti with more ram, higher memory bandwidth, more cores, more rope, and more TMUs. That's it. Teslas are the deep learning GPUs. Titans have always been more like prosumer cards, with their main appeal over GeForce cards being more ram (at least it's been that way since Maxwell, in Kepler they also had more FP64).


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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Not really, it's just a 1080 ti with more ram, higher memory bandwidth, more cores, more rope, and more TMUs. That's it. Teslas are the deep learning GPUs. Titans have always been more like prosumer cards, with their main appeal over GeForce cards being more ram (at least it's been that way since Maxwell, in Kepler they also had more FP64).

So then why did Nvidia tell that directly to Jayztwocents when he asked for the new titan cards when they launched for Terry Crews? They told him NO because they were not gaming cards, but deep learning.... Straight from the horses mouth...


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2 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

So then why did Nvidia tell that directly to Jayztwocents when he asked for the new titan cards when they launched for Terry Crews? They told him NO because they were not gaming cards, but deep learning.... Straight from the horses mouth...

Don't ask me... it really doesn't make that much sense to me. Though deep learning is more fp16 heavy so a Titan Xp might make sense if you want the extra CUDA cores, but in the case of the Titan X Pascal originally it doesn't make any sense to use it over a 1080 ti except maybe for vram.

 

The P100 was the one that's meant for deep learning. I think they marketed the dgx1s for deep learning so...


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1 minute ago, legacy99 said:

So then why did Nvidia tell that directly to Jayztwocents when he asked for the new titan cards when they launched for Terry Crews? They told him NO because they were not gaming cards, but deep learning.... Straight from the horses mouth...

CuDNN (Nvidia's Deep Neural Network Solution that is based off of CUDA) just uses floating point calculations for precision calculation when you have multiple hidden layers within a single network. That's why the Titan is marketed as a Deep Learning Card, because it has the abilities of single cycle FP16, FP32, and FP64 calculations. Other than that, it's really no different that the GTX1080. I've used both for Neural Networks and Gaming, and while the Titan X is amazingly better at running multi-layer networks, they are the same in gaming. 


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34 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

For gaming the GTX 1080Ti is the best.

 

According to Nvidia the new Titan Xp is a "deep learning" card and not meant for gaming.

 

I would personally think it worth it if you are playing above 1080p. If you are only playing at 1080p, then the 1080ti is useless. 

hows the titan xp not for gaming? I have a Titan X the only difference is the GDDR5 & GDDR5X they both have 12gb and it works great for 4k resolutions. but yeah honestly man id go with the 1080 mostly because titan is over priced.

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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Don't ask me... it really doesn't make that much sense to me. Though deep learning is more fp16 heavy so a Titan Xp might make sense if you want the extra CUDA cores, but in the case of the Titan X Pascal originally it doesn't make any sense to use it over a 1080 ti except maybe for vram.

 

The P100 was the one that's meant for deep learning. I think they marketed the dgx1s for deep learning so...

The P100 is multiple Tesla Cards (I believe it's 9 cards) running together. The reason for multiple CUDA cores making a network faster is because of the parallization of a DNN (deep neural network). As stated above, FP16 calculations make a poorly optimized network run much faster, but those types of calculations do pretty much nothing for a proper Neural Network (with the exception of networks that need precision, of course.)


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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Don't ask me... it really doesn't make that much sense to me. Though deep learning is more fp16 heavy so a Titan Xp might make sense if you want the extra CUDA cores, but in the case of the Titan X Pascal originally it doesn't make any sense to use it over a 1080 ti except maybe for vram.

 

The P100 was the one that's meant for deep learning. I think they marketed the dgx1s for deep learning so...

p100s claim to fame is fp64. if deep learning means fp16 to you then the p100 is not that. not that it cant but the Titan is deep learning because it doesnt require you to invest as much to get that fp16. 

 

The first titan x pascal was available months ahead of the 1080 ti so saying originally it doesnt make sense to use it doesnt make sense. 

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1 minute ago, HUSKER222 said:

hows the titan xp not for gaming? I have a Titan X the only difference is the GDDR5 & GDDR5X they both have 12gb and it works great for 4k resolutions. but yeah honestly man id go with the 1080 mostly because titan is over priced.

The Titan XP is not explicitly marketed towards Gaming, its marketed towards Deep Learning, as that is the way Nvidia is looking towards for the future. The reason the Titan is so overpriced is because of the development costs associated with delivering such a compute heavy card that can run at very high precision. 


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1 minute ago, TonyKramer said:

The Titan XP is not explicitly marketed towards Gaming, its marketed towards Deep Learning, as that is the way Nvidia is looking towards for the future. The reason the Titan is so overpriced is because of the development costs associated with delivering such a compute heavy card that can run at very high precision. 

Sorry to interrupt but can you guys take this argument somewhere else?  I'm expecting replies with helpful advice and just keep getting you guys.

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Just now, GamerTheGr8 said:

Sorry to interrupt but can you guys take this argument somewhere else?  I'm expecting replies with helpful advice and just keep getting you guys.

Sorry dude, if you're gaming at 1080, stay with the 390. If you're gaming at anything more, get the GTX1080. :)


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memory: That motherboard supports dual channel, but not quad.  Therefore I'd suggest opting for (16 GB x 2) instead of (8 GB x 4).  That would give you the option to upgrade RAM in the future.

 

power supply: TP-1500M has four +12V rails.  I'd prefer a PSU that had all power available on a single rail.  Another source says that it has two +12V rails.  Since it's a $300 PSU, I'd probably instead opt for a 850 or 1,000 watt unit with platinum or titanium efficiency.  For example, until just recently I had two 980 Ti's reference cards in SLI powered by a EVGA P2 850 and my kill-a-watt meter would measure 515 watts consumed at the duplex (wall socket).  Another thing that bothers me is that the 24 pin cable appears to be non-modular from the picture on their website.  The specs page shows the word "peak" wattage twice, which is a red flag in my mind.  I cannot find mention of the warranty length.

 

HDD: I'd opt for HGST, instead of Seagate.  Hitachi (HGST) has the highest HDD reliability on the market.

 

SSD: It would be a great addition.  Either a Samsung 850 EVO or 960 EVO.  Whichever one, you might as well opt for the M.2 form factor.

 

Question: What are your full specs before the upgrade?

 

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I moved from a 390 to a 1080ti, and it's great. But then again I'm playing at 4K and need a good gpu to stream/record. So if you have the money to spend and are playing above either 60Hz or above 1080p then i would definitely say to go with a 1080ti


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