Cassini probe shows that Enceladus is able to support life!!!

[vorticalbox]

On ‎14‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 10:46 PM, MoonSpot said:

Whats more is water and the ice-shell themselves make for fairly decent protection against radiation, coupled with the sheer size/strength of the magnetospheres of Saturn & Jupiter and we quickly start running out of the big reasons why life couldn't be there.  There are plenty of reasons why life might not be there obviously, but planetary-wide stable systems are a really big deal if life is to have a shot in hell at taking hold, IMO.

there are a few theories out there backed with meteorite evidence that seems to suggest that life on earth originated on mars. 

 

 

[MoonSpot]

29 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

there are a few theories out there backed with meteorite evidence that seems to suggest that life on earth originated on mars.

If you're referring to meteorite ALH 84001, then that is an abuse of the term "evidence".

[AresKrieger]

On 4/14/2017 at 4:29 PM, Master Disaster said:

Holy shit, this is pretty big news!!! If they find life on Enceladus it massively increases the chances of there being intelligent life out there somewhere and would prove that life in space is actually fairly common.

Intelligent life =/= to single cell life, we have no idea what the criteria for life on a planet is the solar system itself has a large role in the variables present so this would essentially tell us very little about the odds of intelligent life in the universe on any given planet, the only thing we can say for certain that this is intriguing and more research is needed.

[kelvinhall05]

On 4/14/2017 at 5:10 PM, Prysin said:

looking at all the stupid on earth, i dont think we will find intelligent life... we will find life, but not intelligent.

Funny you should say that, with Trump as your account picture.

[AresKrieger]

1 hour ago, vorticalbox said:

there are a few theories out there backed with meteorite evidence that seems to suggest that life on earth originated on mars. 

 

 

There is no such evidence merely a hypothesis which is unprovable either way and thus not worth discussing, now the discussion of life possibly being transported in general via cataclysmic events such as a planet being hit by another planet  is worth looking into.

[Prysin]

24 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Funny you should say that, with Trump as your account picture.

Said the guy wearing a black hoodie....

[HelplmChoking]

On 4/15/2017 at 9:51 AM, ARikozuM said:

And other buildings in the world. The White House is only 200 years old. There are buildings in New Jersey like the Nathaniel Bonnell and Sip Manor that pre-date the WH by decades and centuries.

 

Or when you have family in England living in converted churches over 500 years old, down the road from an older church that's around 1000 years old. The US is a very young country.

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, AresKrieger said:

Intelligent life =/= to single cell life, we have no idea what the criteria for life on a planet is the solar system itself has a large role in the variables present so this would essentially tell us very little about the odds of intelligent life in the universe on any given planet, the only thing we can say for certain that this is intriguing and more research is needed.

I know hence why I specifically didn't say intelligent life. The simple fact is this, if we can prove that life exists in two different worlds in a single solar system then it tells us that life out beyond our solar system is likely to be quite common, even if it is mostly simple or even fairly complex but not intelligent (what we would call animal life).

 

Even finding bacteria living outside of earth would be a huge deal for us right now.

[DarkBlade2117]

Doubt I will be alive for such a discovery though I would be extremely fascinated in finding another intelligent life form such as humans and how theyve come go be. Such as are they still in a similar form of the native Americans, or are they extremely more advanced than us, languages or other various random things.

[Energycore]

On 4/14/2017 at 4:10 PM, Prysin said:

looking at all the stupid on earth, i dont think we will find intelligent life... we will find life, but not intelligent.

What makes you think life elsewhere will be as bad? We don't have info to make that judgment or even have a suspicion. Imho.

[ARikozuM]

12 minutes ago, Energycore said:

What makes you think life elsewhere will be as bad? We don't have info to make that judgment or even have a suspicion. Imho.

He's just being pessimistic...

[Energycore]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

He's just being pessimistic...

I suppose

[vorticalbox]

9 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

If you're referring to meteorite ALH 84001, then that is an abuse of the term "evidence".

maybe evidence was the wrong term

9 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

There is no such evidence merely a hypothesis which is unprovable either way and thus not worth discussing, now the discussion of life possibly being transported in general via cataclysmic events such as a planet being hit by another planet  is worth looking into.

I problem I see it that stuff hitting stuff heat which life doesn't really do well in and life doesn't really like cold. 

 

I assume its the massive gravity of Jupiter pulling the moon that is creating the heat needed for the hot tube thingys and water? 

 

 

[Master Disaster]

13 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

maybe evidence was the wrong term

I problem I see it that stuff hitting stuff heat which life doesn't really do well in and life doesn't really like cold. 

 

I assume its the massive gravity of Jupiter pulling the moon that is creating the heat needed for the hot tube thingys and water? 

 

 

We've found places where boiling water comes out of the ground that are teeming with life and fairly recently an expedition found microbial life in the ice at the south pole. Within the last 15 to 20 years we've really changed our understanding of life dramatically to the point that we now understand that life can survive, and even thrive anywhere.

 

And yes, its the elliptical orbit of enceladus combined with the massive gravity of Jupiter that is squeezing then releasing the moon that's creating the hot core.

[vorticalbox]

49 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

We've found places where boiling water comes out of the ground that are teeming with life and fairly recently an expedition found microbial life in the ice at the south pole. Within the last 15 to 20 years we've really changed our understanding of life dramatically to the point that we now understand that life can survive, and even thrive anywhere.

 

And yes, its the elliptical orbit of enceladus combined with the massive gravity of Jupiter that is squeezing then releasing the moon that's creating the hot core.

I really need to brush up on this stuff I've spent far to long in the programming section, you have any blogs or journals that you would recommend? 

 

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, Energycore said:

What makes you think life elsewhere will be as bad? We don't have info to make that judgment or even have a suspicion. Imho.

If they are smarter, they are being wise and keeping away. They know we have nukes, and that we are stupid enough to use them even if it means we all die.... (all those years with insane light bursts from a planet.. yes, if they knew about us, they'd know we got nukes by now).

If they are equally dumb or dumber then us, they dont know about us, and we better pray they dont have nukes or similar tech. As they will be dumb enough to use it.

[Master Disaster]

3 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

I really need to brush up on this stuff I've spent far to long in the programming section, you have any blogs or journals that you would recommend? 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_microorganism

 

Pretty much sums up the south pole findings and has source links for more in depth reading.

[TidaLWaveZ]

15 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

That might be true, but if an advanced civilization is out there, are they observing us, or simply paying no mind?

A very good question.

 

Seems like it would depend on how advanced/intelligent that they are and whether they have already communicated with us or not. For all we know they could be controlling life as we know it on earth. I personally subscribe to the idea that presidents and such take orders from people above them. I don't necessarily believe that those in charge are more advanced beings, but I don't deny the idea. If they aren't in communication with Earth, maybe they are advanced enough to determine how long it would take us to reach them/have an effect on them. They could know what are planet's resources are capable of. On the other hand they could be clueless or scared of us. Without knowledge or clear communication between us we will never know and I do believe there are people on earth that do know something.

[MadyTehWolfie]

I believe Steven Hawking once said that it is mathematically impossible that there isn't any other form of intelligent life out there.

[AresKrieger]

9 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

I problem I see it that stuff hitting stuff heat which life doesn't really do well in and life doesn't really like cold. 

I present to you the the tardigrade, also know as the water bear a microscopic organism that can survive the most extreme of conditions including space

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

[AresKrieger]

17 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Even finding bacteria living outside of earth would be a huge deal for us right now.

No doubt, genetics research is of major importance right now and this could also boost our understanding of the origins of life since we have a couple of hypothesis but none are really solid.

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

I present to you the the tardigrade, also know as the water bear a microscopic organism that can survive the most extreme of conditions including space

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

It's like a cute little pillow! With a sucker for a face!

 

Is this the organism that can apparently survive in the vacuum of space until it reaches safety?

[AresKrieger]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

It's like a cute little pillow! With a sucker for a face!

 

Is this the organism that can apparently survive in the vacuum of space until it reaches safety?

Yep it has the capability of going into a stasis like coma until conditions become livable.

[vorticalbox]

4 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Yep it has the capability of going into a stasis like coma until conditions become livable.

how long for?

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

how long for?

From Wikipedia:

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Tardigrades are one of the most resilient animals known: they can survive extreme conditions that would be rapidly fatal to nearly all other known life forms. They can withstand temperature ranges from 1 K (−458 °F; −272 °C) (close to absolute zero) to about 420 K (300 °F; 150 °C),[11] pressures about six times greater than those found in the deepest ocean trenches, ionizing radiation at doses hundreds of times higher than the lethal dose for a human, and the vacuum of outer space.[12] They can go without food or water for more than 30 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.[3][13][14][15] Tardigrades living in harsh conditions undergo an annual cycle of cyclomorphosis.

I wish I were this strong. DAMN!