NES Classic Edition Has Been Discontinued

[VagabondWraith]

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Nintendo is discontinuing the NES Classic Edition, a plug-and-play console that became popular with collectors as soon as it launched last fall.

A Nintendo representative confirmed that the last shipments of the NES Classic Editions will hit stores this month. Once that stock dries up, retailers will not receive any additional new consoles.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/13/15293030/nes-classic-edition-discontinued

 

 

I swear. Nintendo makes some of the stupidest decisions. I was wanting one for retail price and now they're discontinuing them 5 months later? WTH Nintendo. So the only way to get one is to pay $200+ dollars on eBay. I wanted one for nostalgia reasons but I guess that won't be happening as I refuse to pay scalpers prices.

[ARikozuM]

I don't think this follows proper format. 

[Kherm]

It's almost like they don't want money

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Kherm said:

It's almost like they don't want money

Nintendo doesn't need the money. They can survive for some decades without getting a profit with no issue.

[Kherm]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Nintendo doesn't need the money. They can survive for some decades without getting a profit with no issue.

Yes, I completely understand that. But, come on, what were they thinking with this one? they're shooting themselves in the foot.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Kherm said:

Yes, I completely understand that. But, come on, what were they thinking with this one? they're shooting themselves in the foot.

I mean, they only wanted to do one production run of the Classic, but fans wanted more so they did what was asked.

[MoonlightSylv]

Ahem

 

EMULATORS!!!

Pls no ban theres legitimate ways to use emulators, I'm not promoting piracy.

[Andreas Lilja]

Probably because it would hurt VC sales for the Switch.

[goodtofufriday]

21 minutes ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

Ahem

 

EMULATORS!!!

Pls no ban theres legitimate ways to use emulators, I'm not promoting piracy.

[YedZed]

Maybe they are releasing a similar product in a little while and thought this would undermine it...  idk Just shootin ideas.

[MasterChromatica]

6 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

I have had my run into the ban hammer back in the halo reach days.

[ChineseChef]

This only way this makes sense to me is if Nintendo for some reason doesn't like printing money, or they think further sales would cannibalize some future product/service.

[Andreas Lilja]

12 minutes ago, ChineseChef said:

This only way this makes sense to me is if Nintendo for some reason doesn't like printing money, or they think further sales would cannibalize some future product/service.

Virtual Console on Switch.

 

Classic Edition is roughly 2$ per game, at 30 games, 60$ MSRP.

 

Regular price on Virtual Console is 5$ for game, for NES.

[Drak3]

50 minutes ago, ShadowTechXTS said:

Ahem

 

EMULATORS!!!

Pls no ban theres legitimate ways to use emulators, I'm not promoting piracy.

Hate to be the bearer of good news. Emulation is 100% legal in most countries, otherwise, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would all be in hot water because they each have methods of emulating their older systems. PS2 and PS3 fatboy use hardware level emulation, the PS4 uses cloud based emulation. The XBOne emulates Xbox 360 to run those games, and Nintendo has the virtual console.

 

Only issue with emulation via PC is getting/having the content legally. You have to own a physical copy, or a license, and you have to either download a ROM from an official source (of which, there are none) or made a backup of a physical copy. With NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, and WiiU, it takes very specific hardware, and sometimes running very specific bootleg firmware. At least with PS1 and PS2 emulation, you can just run a game off of the disk.

[Misanthrope]

In other news: Inside sources confirm Nintendo it's still allergic to money and success.

[suicidalfranco]

[SteveGrabowski0]

It's a stupid product that no one should have bought anyways. Not without wireless controllers like you could do with a Raspberry Pi 3.

[Taf the Ghost]

Great Christmas present, and, while Nintendo does seem to mostly hate making gobs of money (more than they do), I can see a reason to stop. This really always looked like a small project from one of their design teams, so it was a pretty low-risk venture.  But, like some ideas that are "too good", this probably cannibalizes VC sales they'd rather not.

 

Or maybe there's a classic SNES coming in a year or two, haha.

[Master Disaster]

Oh Nintendo, it was literally weeks ago you denied claims that you'd ended production of the NES Classics and assured everyone you would still be selling them.

 

4 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Hate to be the bearer of good news. Emulation is 100% legal in most countries, otherwise, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would all be in hot water because they each have methods of emulating their older systems. PS2 and PS3 fatboy use hardware level emulation, the PS4 uses cloud based emulation. The XBOne emulates Xbox 360 to run those games, and Nintendo has the virtual console.

 

Only issue with emulation via PC is getting/having the content legally. You have to own a physical copy, or a license, and you have to either download a ROM from an official source (of which, there are none) or made a backup of a physical copy. With NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, and WiiU, it takes very specific hardware, and sometimes running very specific bootleg firmware. At least with PS1 and PS2 emulation, you can just run a game off of the disk.

Emulators are perfectly legal as long as they contain no code taken from the original hardware, that is true.

 

ROMs are an entirely different story however because

 

1) Technically speaking you don't own a game, you buy a license to play said game but not the game itself and included in that license to play is a clause that's says you agree to not modify or copy the game. From a legal point of view if you dump a ROM or obtain a dump under the premise that you own the original then you are in breach of your license. Now its worth mentioning that in some countries making a backup for protection is legal and in these countries the license cannot supersede the law but in the large majority of countries no such law exists and in those cases you are not allowed to dump a ROM or own a dump alongside the original.

 

2) In order to dump a ROM you (usually but not always) have to modify the hardware and use it in a way it was not intended to be used which is also in breach of the user license for the hardware.

 

3) By dumping a ROM you are extracting copyrighted code from hardware which opens you up to a potential lawsuit, if they can prove your facilitating the decompilation of their code then you are totally screwed.

 

4) The act of downloading copyrighted material is in of itself illegal in most countries whether you own the original or not.

 

The thing is, most companies simply don't care about their old games enough to bother protecting them and most of them are clever enough to realise that ignoring emulation is good for their brand image.

 

Nintendo on the other hand are very different. Don't fuck about with Nintendo stuff because they have shown that their more than willing to sue people and websites in order to protect their games, no matter how old they are.

 

AFAIK no one has ever been prosecuted for owning ROMs so the law is still very much grey in that regard. It takes a testing of the license by a court to set a precedence. I do know that Nintendo used DMCA to remove their old ROMs from a shit tonne of websites a while back though.

 

Finally don't get me wrong, I'm not against emulation, I enjoy my Retropie as much as everyone else. I just see people parroting false information over and over again and misinformation is a dangerous thing.

[Mooshi]

The retail should have been 35 dollars based off limited functionality tbh

 

If it had internet connectivity to add more to your library and wireless controllers it would have been worth it.

[Drak3]

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

By dumping a ROM you are extracting copyrighted code from hardware which opens you up to a potential lawsuit, if they can prove your facilitating the decompilation of their code then you are totally screwed.

In the US, copyright law protects the privilege of backing up softwares, including games. Not sure about the rest of the world, but I can't imagine that the EU would side with any corporation on any matter ever.

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

In order to dump a ROM you (usually but not always) have to modify the hardware and use it in a way it was not intended to be used which is also in breach of the user license for the hardware.

Hardware isn't licensed, bundled softwares are. Flashing a custom firmware isn't illegal, nor is modifying hardware.

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Technically speaking you don't own a game, you buy a license to play said game but not the game itself and included in that license to play is a clause that's says you agree to not modify or copy the game.

In most countries, software licensing holds little legal ground, and the worst that can happen is a civil suit against an end user. They often overreach what law allows, and the clause is too recent to affect NES, SNES, or N64 games, and early GC games. Even if there isn't a specific legal protection for the backup of softwares, software licenses are limited to what they can be used for, and that's generally what the copyright laws of the country is.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

In the US, copyright law protects the privilege of backing up softwares, including games. Not sure about the rest of the world, but I can't imagine that the EU would side with any corporation on any matter ever.

Hardware isn't licensed, bundled softwares are. Flashing a custom firmware isn't illegal, nor is modifying hardware.

In most countries, software licensing holds little legal ground, and the worst that can happen is a civil suit against an end user. They often overreach what law allows, and the clause is too recent to affect NES, SNES, or N64 games, and early GC games. Even if there isn't a specific legal protection for the backup of softwares, software licenses are limited to what they can be used for, and that's generally what the copyright laws of the country is.

I covered all that at the end when I said the license agreements have never been tested in a court of law plus I used words like technically and legally to try and highlight the fact that while everything I said is "technically" true it doesn't necessarily mean it accurately reflects what would happen if a case ever made it to court. Its all a huge grey area.

 

Ftr if you buy a console you do agree to a license that says you won't modify the console in any way. Hardware is covered in the EULA as well as software.

[The Benjamins]

8 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Hate to be the bearer of good news. Emulation is 100% legal in most countries, otherwise, Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would all be in hot water because they each have methods of emulating their older systems. PS2 and PS3 fatboy use hardware level emulation, the PS4 uses cloud based emulation. The XBOne emulates Xbox 360 to run those games, and Nintendo has the virtual console.

 

Only issue with emulation via PC is getting/having the content legally. You have to own a physical copy, or a license, and you have to either download a ROM from an official source (of which, there are none) or made a backup of a physical copy. With NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, and WiiU, it takes very specific hardware, and sometimes running very specific bootleg firmware. At least with PS1 and PS2 emulation, you can just run a game off of the disk.

I am exited for the Xbox 360 emulator for PC to become stable. I also like how you can use any old xbox 360 to rip games.

[michaelocarroll007]

16 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I am exited for the Xbox 360 emulator for PC to become stable. I also like how you can use any old xbox 360 to rip games.

yeah and the 360 has a lot of  Roms already downloadable since it was hacked to run burned Games early in its life cycle. I remeber playing black ops 1 month before re lease date was great. 

[Terryv]

 Surprised that no one mentioned the fact that the NES classic used Pirates ROMs itself.