R5 for gaming

[C:\\Mat]

Is Ryzen 5 really worth it for gaming?

It has been shown that some of Intel's chips outperform Ryzen for gaming...

[Morgan MLGman]

Check out this thread I made yesterday, it includes various Ryzen 5 reviews:

Should clarify everything.

[Oshino Shinobu]

For gaming, Intel is still the best as IPC is still important for gaming. For a mixture of gaming and rendering/productivity work, Ryzen can offer a great option for the money compared to what Intel has to offer, as their 6/8 core CPUs are much more expensive than Ryzen

[C:\\Mat]

2 minutes ago, Oshino Shinobu said:

For gaming, Intel is still the best as IPC is still important for gaming. For a mixture of gaming and rendering/productivity work, Ryzen can offer a great option for the money compared to what Intel has to offer, as their 6/8 core CPUs are much more expensive than Ryzen

I don't really plan on doing any productivity and rendering stuff. Just need my pc to game, with the occasional Microsoft Office use.

[DocSwag]

Sure, as on average it has better minimums than i5s.

[samcool55]

Well they aren't bad. They just aren't always as good as intel, depending what exactly you are comparing.

 

Also don't forget AMD was gone for 5 years, it takes time and effort to be properly back into the cpu market, it's not something you can do overnight.

[Matu20]

Better minimums by far. I'd go with R5 instead of i5.

[C:\\Mat]

3 minutes ago, Matu20 said:

Better minimums by far. I'd go with R5 instead of i5.

So, in that case, even including Ryzen 7, which one would be recommended overall?

[Damascus]

2 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

So, in that case, even including Ryzen 7, which one would be recommended overall?

Easily a 1700.  Followed by an i7, followed by a 1600 followed by a unlocked and heavily OC'ed i5 1400/1500 followed finally by a standard locked i5

[maartendc]

5 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

So, in that case, even including Ryzen 7, which one would be recommended overall?

Purely for gaming, the R5 1500X and 1600 dont do worse than the Ryzen 7 lineup, so they offer much better value because they are cheaper.

 

Only in games that really use multithreading very well the Ryzem 7 does better, but those games are very few. I'd say get a 1500X or 1600, unless money is no issue, in which case just get the most expensive.

[C:\\Mat]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Easily a 1700.  Followed by an i7, followed by a 1600 followed by a unlocked and heavily OC'ed i5 1400/1500 followed finally by a standard locked i5

maybe shouldn't have included R7....because really, why get the 1700 when you can get the 7700k for just 40 dollars more, which has proven to perform better?

[C:\\Mat]

1 minute ago, maartendc said:

Purely for gaming, the R5 1500X and 1600 dont do worse than the Ryzen 7 lineup, so they offer much better value because they are cheaper.

 

Only in games that really use multithreading very well the Ryzem 7 does better, but those games are very few. I'd say get a 1500X or 1600, unless money is no issue, in which case just get the most expensive.

I was thinking about the 1500x....and then using the saved money for a better graphics card...

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

maybe shouldn't have included R7....because really, why get the 1700 when you can get the 7700k for just 40 dollars more, which has proven to perform better?

"Proven" to work better is very subjective.  R7 is slightly worse at gaming with a tenancy for lower max higher minimum FPS (good)

start streaming, rendering or any productivity and Ryzen shoots ahead.  I personally see R7 as a versatility upgrade.

 

6 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

I was thinking about the 1500x....and then using the saved money for a better graphics card...

Get a 1600 and OC, the extra 2 cores are worth it.

[C:\\Mat]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

"Proven" to work better is very subjective.  R7 is slightly worse at gaming with a tenancy for lower max higher minimum FPS (good)

start streaming, rendering or any productivity and Ryzen shoots ahead.  I personally see R7 as a versatility upgrade.

 

Get a 1600 and OC, the extra 2 cores are worth it.

why oc??

[atavax]

If you want the most future proof CPU, i'd get a r7 1700 or 1800. If you want the cpu with the best average gaming performance right now, i'd get an i7 7700k. If you want the best bang for your buck, i'd get an r5, probably the 1600.

[Damascus]

Just now, DasBassDropz said:

why oc??

Because so far pretty much all RYZEN chips OC the same so an overclocked 1600 will likely perform as well as a 1600X, a 1400 may perform as well as a 1500X and a 1700 performs as well as an 1800X or 1700X.

[C:\\Mat]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Because so far pretty much all RYZEN chips OC the same so an overclocked 1600 will likely perform as well as a 1600X, a 1400 may perform as well as a 1500X and a 1700 performs as well as an 1800X or 1700X.

Makes sense.

[RAM555789]

12 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

maybe shouldn't have included R7....because really, why get the 1700 when you can get the 7700k for just 40 dollars more, which has proven to perform better?

R7 is great for streaming + recording at the same time, while gaming. You can acutally make use of all the cores.

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, DasBassDropz said:

Makes sense.

Yeah, I love how AMD has every chip unlocked.  Its great not needing to buy the "k" sku to get some of them sweet, sweet OC

[Matu20]

24 minutes ago, DasBassDropz said:

So, in that case, even including Ryzen 7, which one would be recommended overall?

Personally, if the R5-1600 proves to be like the R7-1700 (in terms of basically the same chip and similar overclocking), the 1600 would be the ideal choice.

[Taja]

Yeah, I think the sweetspot is a r5 1600 with a b350 mobo. Good pricing and you get almost the same perf as a 1600x + x370. You can even get the same perf, but I would assume 100MHz less just to not get the hopes high.

[RAM555789]

I made a comparison for price, each build uses the same parts, all that changes is the CPU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($381.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($93.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($383.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Xion XON-350_BK ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($48.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1181.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 15:22 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($318.65 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($93.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($383.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Xion XON-350_BK ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($48.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1118.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 15:23 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($248.98 @ NCIX US) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($93.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($383.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Xion XON-350_BK ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($48.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1048.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 15:23 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($218.67 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($84.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($93.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.88 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card  ($383.98 @ Newegg) 
Case: Xion XON-350_BK ATX Mid Tower Case  ($24.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($48.89 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1018.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-12 15:23 EDT-0400

[RAM555789]

Currently using pcpartpicker and doing no acutally shopping around to see if I could find a better deal, we can see the 1700x and 1700 are listed for the same price. Going from a 1700x to its about $130 less and going from the 1700 to the 1600 we see a $160 difference, though I think its safe to that we should see a similar price gap between the 1700x and the 1700 as we see going from the 1600x to 1600.