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Sourcehttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-hdmi-2-1-specifications-revealed

 

 

 

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Digital Foundry states Project Scorpio will support variable refresh rates with FreeSync/HDMI 2.1 VRR, allowing games to be played without a locked frame rate without tearing, V-Sync judder and minimal slowdown.

 

 

Here's a video from Digital Foundry (apart of Eurogamer) 

 

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VRR = Variable Refresh Rate (also known as HDMI Game Mode) which is basically FreeSync/G-Sync over HDMI although it is unclear if it's just an adaptation of AMD's open FreeSync variable refresh rate technology or some new third VRR standard in addition to FreeSync and Nvidia's proprietary G-Sync

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Well there it is, FreeSync on future consoles. Even Intel is going to support Freesync; so how long are NVIDIA going to hold out from supporting this open standard. As opposed to their proprietary G-Sync.

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21 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Well there it is, FreeSync on future consoles. Even Intel is going to support Freesync; so how long are NVIDIA going to hold out from supporting this open standard. As opposed to their proprietary G-Sync.

As long as physically possible, because they have a captive market in the high end pc gpus where people are more likely to spend the extra money on it. It will not be until monitor makers start cutting back on production of gsync monitors in favors of freesync due to lack of sales will anything change.

 

This is also why i have been delaying getting a new gpu because i feel like in the next generation or two they will buckle and see that it would be better to at least have token support for a wide standard than attempting to force everyone to use their (admittedly better, if more expensive) solution that has narrow adoption.

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1 hour ago, Valentyn said:

Well there it is, FreeSync on future consoles. Even Intel is going to support Freesync; so how long are NVIDIA going to hold out from supporting this open standard. As opposed to their proprietary G-Sync.

Cause G-Sync is better ! Seriously, I'm an Nvidia user and I wanted Freesync to be supported since it was announced. But as soon as they announce that they support both G and free, G-Sync is over. Manfacturer won't put the extra chip in the monitors just for fun... 

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Nvidia will try to keep G-Sync alive as long as possible. They'll do that by keeping it 'ahead' of FreeSync and attempt to provide a better experience with more features. They'll probably not succeed but they'll try.

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1 hour ago, silberdrachi said:

As long as physically possible, because they have a captive market in the high end pc gpus where people are more likely to spend the extra money on it. It will not be until monitor makers start cutting back on production of gsync monitors in favors of freesync due to lack of sales will anything change.

 

This is also why i have been delaying getting a new gpu because i feel like in the next generation or two they will buckle and see that it would be better to at least have token support for a wide standard than attempting to force everyone to use their (admittedly better, if more expensive) solution that has narrow adoption.

As far as I understand Freesync support on Nvidia would only require a driver and/or firmware update. So theoretically, if they ever did buckle, they can make it compatible with current GPUs.

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23 minutes ago, pyrojoe34 said:

As far as I understand Freesync support on Nvidia would only require a driver and/or firmware update. So theoretically, if they ever did buckle, they can make it compatible with current GPUs.

While i agree its theoretically possible. If i were a business i wouldn't do it. Especially if it were a feature i wasn't even happy about supporting on a new system anyway. It is a nice value add to your previous customers (brownie points?) but if instead you market the new card as being "NOW SUPPORTING FREESYNC AND GSYNC" you magically make people want to upgrade even more. (monaaaaahhhhhhhhh)

 

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But it would be awesome if they did do that.

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if this means free sync will come to tv sets than yes please.

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That is really great, and much needed tbh specially even since they can't keep like 30fps as worst case scenario.

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That's why I think Microsoft, if they can stay afloat after their shitting marketing and game line up with the original xbox one, will be the supreme home console brand. They are bridging the gap between PC and console. I guess it's easier for them being the owners of Windows and all. They're even pushing the idea of no more iterations, let's just stick with one and upgrade every few years - just like a PC.

 

But Freesync tv's aren't a thing yet. How many console gamers are going to get a monitor just for xbox?

 

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8 minutes ago, GeekJump said:

That's why I think Microsoft, if they can stay afloat after their shitting marketing and game line up with the original xbox one, will be the supreme home console brand. They are bridging the gap between PC and console. I guess it's easier for them being the owners of Windows and all. They're even pushing the idea of no more iterations, let's just stick with one and upgrade every few years - just like a PC.

But then the question becomes: why would you want a console to begin with?

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9 minutes ago, Sauron said:

But then the question becomes: why would you want a console to begin with?

Same reasons people get them now. Cheaper, easier to use, low maintenance, etc.

 

They won't move 100% over to PC style but they would take enough to make it more appealing. If they are being honest about the Scorpio being the last xbox console for awhile (or last period), I might consider getting it for the exclusives. But even those are disappearing on Xbox with the play anywhere thing they introduced for PC.

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Just now, GeekJump said:

Same reasons people get them now. Cheaper, easier to use, low maintenance, etc.

 

They won't move 100% over to PC style but they would take enough to make it more appealing. If they are being honest about the Scorpio being the last xbox console for awhile (or last period), I might consider getting it for the exclusives. But even those are disappearing on Xbox with the play anywhere thing they introduced for PC.

Easier to use and lower maintenance are out of the window if they get seasonal upgrades (they already have installations and day one patches). Cheaper is up for debate when games are consistently more expensive and you have to pay a monthly fee to use the internet. Exclusives are pretty much the only reason I'd consider one even now.

 

On the other hand you don't get the versatility and performance of a pc. So... why?

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12 minutes ago, raphidy said:

Cool, now i'll able to use freesync on cinematic 24 fps for real...

Freesync doesn't even work with framerates that low, it will be interesting to see what they do with games that run under 40 fps to be honest (I get the joke though).

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4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Easier to use and lower maintenance are out of the window if they get seasonal upgrades (they already have installations and day one patches). Cheaper is up for debate when games are consistently more expensive and you have to pay a monthly fee to use the internet. Exclusives are pretty much the only reason I'd consider one even now.

 

On the other hand you don't get the versatility and performance of a pc. So... why?

I don't think the upgrades will come that close together. It would probably be a similar time frame of current console iterations. The main pro being forward compatibility. I can own a Scorpio ver 1 and still play games for Scorpio ver 3 - the graphics and performance would just be a little worse. The way most console gamers hold onto their consoles until the very end of it's life, that idea is perfect for them.

 

Another reason to stick with consoles is fear lol. After I made my PC, I tried to spread the gospel of PC gaming but friends still wouldn't budge because they were afraid of the "complexities" (even tho there really isn't any). Having a console and cheap laptop or tablet was 100x better in their minds.

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Common Nvidia, just admit it... Freesync is more dominate, easier to implement, and more cost effective. You have been defeated. They should go ahead and start making all their new GPU's compatible with it. G-Sync was an obvious money grab.

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21 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Easier to use and lower maintenance are out of the window if they get seasonal upgrades (they already have installations and day one patches). Cheaper is up for debate when games are consistently more expensive and you have to pay a monthly fee to use the internet. Exclusives are pretty much the only reason I'd consider one even now.

 

On the other hand you don't get the versatility and performance of a pc. So... why?

I think it simply boils down to most people dont need desktop computers anymore. Even in the tech world i have several coworkers that have no desktop or laptop at home. They use netflix on their tv, browse facebook on their iPad, and iMessage on their phone. Its hard to justify the cost of a PC to run games when its easier to just get a console. For 250 bucks and a tiny fee a month you get (almost) everything that they need their tv to do, and it plays video games too!

 

And i certainly wouldnt throw out easier to use/low maint out the window yet. Games are mostly kept up to date if you put the consoles into low power mode and you will never notice it. Not to mention the whole OS is managed on the consoles and you dont need to muck around with settings to make it work, registering software and possibly leaving you open to viruses. Its a scary world for people who arent truly tech savvy. And cheaper is still in effect because computers have a higher buy in value, while they have less "maintenance" costs compared to the consoles. For a lot of people that big bill is too much for them.

 

Plus there is a massive turn off for a lot of people when they look at the PCMR mentality. A lot of people are vocal dicks and make the communities look horrible to the public. Even within the pc community we view some games as just being straight up toxic (league of legends anyone?). As much as we have the image that XBL is all screaming 12 year olds wanting to fuck your mom, they have the same image of us.

 

Is it that bad if consoles get better? Consoles getting better helps PC gamers as anything, they drive the market on new tech. Consoles moving to 4k hdr gaming would make it more supported everywhere. Same thing with VR or any other new tech.

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2 minutes ago, GeekJump said:

I don't think the upgrades will come that close together. It would probably be a similar time frame of current console iterations. The main pro being forward compatibility. I can own a Scorpio ver 1 and still play games for Scorpio ver 3 - the graphics and performance would just be a little worse. The way most console gamers hold onto their consoles until the very end of it's life, that idea is perfect for them.

 

Another reason to stick with consoles is fear lol. After I made my PC, I tried to spread the gospel of PC gaming but friends still wouldn't budge because they were afraid of the "complexities" (even tho there really isn't any). Having a console and cheap laptop or tablet was 100x better in their minds.

Realistically most pc users don't upgrade more often than once every 4-5 years - and more often than not it's just the graphics card, a smaller investment than a brand new console. Yes, I know people have that mindset, that doesn't mean a console is better for them - it just means they don't feel comfortable trying something new.

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6 minutes ago, silberdrachi said:

I think it simply boils down to most people dont need desktop computers anymore. Even in the tech world i have several coworkers that have no desktop or laptop at home. They use netflix on their tv, browse facebook on their iPad, and iMessage on their phone. Its hard to justify the cost of a PC to run games when its easier to just get a console. For 250 bucks and a tiny fee a month you get (almost) everything that they need their tv to do, and it plays video games too!

 

And i certainly wouldnt throw out easier to use/low maint out the window yet. Games are mostly kept up to date if you put the consoles into low power mode and you will never notice it. Not to mention the whole OS is managed on the consoles and you dont need to muck around with settings to make it work, registering software and possibly leaving you open to viruses. Its a scary world for people who arent truly tech savvy. And cheaper is still in effect because computers have a higher buy in value, while they have less "maintenance" costs compared to the consoles. For a lot of people that big bill is too much for them.

 

Plus there is a massive turn off for a lot of people when they look at the PCMR mentality. A lot of people are vocal dicks and make the communities look horrible to the public. Even within the pc community we view some games as just being straight up toxic (league of legends anyone?). As much as we have the image that XBL is all screaming 12 year olds wanting to fuck your mom, they have the same image of us.

 

Is it that bad if consoles get better? Consoles getting better helps PC gamers as anything, they drive the market on new tech. Consoles moving to 4k hdr gaming would make it more supported everywhere. Same thing with VR or any other new tech.

250 bucks would be the old generation at this point. We're mainly talking about the idea of upgrading when a new one is out. Of course if you're content with an outdated box just to play a couple of games a console is just fine, but for someone who plays games as a hobby that won't be enough.

 

With steam game updates on pc are pretty much seamless, just as they would be with a console - but you still have those day one patches that prevent you from playing a game you just bought. And honestly everyone has used a pc with windows and 90% of people who would buy a console have at least one in their house - whether the pc is for games or not doesn't matter, you are already taking all the "risks" at that point. I wouldn't count on the higher purchase value too much, nowadays the only real difference in price is caused by the windows license.

 

The problem I have with consoles is not with the hardware per se, it's with the market fragmentation that causes exclusives, bad ports and other such issues. I don't think consoles are particularly good for the games industry as a whole. One thing is making something different, like a handheld, but making a worse pc just creates all sorts of problems for no benefit.

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