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[G2A Response UPDATE] Gearbox Delivers an Ultimatum to G2A for Continued Partnership

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Update the Second: G2A has officially responded, which you can read in full here: https://news.g2a.com/news/g2a-com-gearbox-cooperation-official-statement/

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"Our partner, Gearbox Publishing, unfortunately decided to publicly publish a letter with a list of ultimatums, without consulting us about the truth of the allegations made by John Bain. This is an excellent example that rash actions, without full knowledge of the facts, can be harmful to both the developer and the marketplace. Especially since all of the requests made of G2A.COM in the ultimatum have in fact long been part of our marketplace."

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" We firmly attest that G2A.COM protects and secures both our sellers and buyers far better than most functioning marketplaces. "

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"No one on our marketplace is unwittingly charged extra fees."

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"Our marketplace only loses due to fraud, as G2A.COM refunds buyer’s out of our own pocket for keys that stop working, even though we have no legal obligation to do so. "

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"Let us be clear here: we care about the satisfaction of every single customer. "

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"G2A.COM employs over 100 people whose job is to ensure the legality of keys, transaction security, and compliance with the most stringent anti-fraud regulations. "

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" Most of the allegations levied against us are based on both a lack of knowledge, and a lack of desire to learn the other side of the story. The best example of this is quoting false and defamatory statements while ignoring the facts. "

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Update: Due to G2A not responding, Gearbox has started the process of pulling out of their partnership deal, the head of publishing, Steve Gibson, issuing the following statement:

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"As there has been no public movement from G2A by the time Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition launched now on PC,” Gibson said, “Gearbox Publishing will be doing their part to not directly support a marketplace that did not make the new public commitment to protecting customers and developers requested by Gearbox Publishing. We do not control G2A’s marketplace or where they may obtain keys from parties outside of Gearbox Publishing, but we can confirm that today we have begun executing on our extraction process."

 
 
 
 

 

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Earlier this week, Gearbox partnered with G2A to sell special editions of their game Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition. This, understandably, resulted in severe backlash from the community, due to G2A being well-known at this point as a vendor which sells fraudulent keys. Totalbiscuit was one person who responded on Twitter saying that he was pulling coverage for the title and future Gearbox titles due to their partnership with G2A.

 

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Gearbox took note of this and requested proof of G2A's problems from Totalbiscuit, of which he provided a multitude of sources for. After going through and verifying this information with Totalbiscuit on a conference call, they recognized G2A's problems and proposed a solution, which they detailed in the following press release:

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Gearbox Publishing heard loud and clear the concerns voiced by John 'TotalBiscuit' Bain. Gearbox was then provided with a lot of documentation on the subject, after which John was gracious enough to spend time across the last two days with our head of publishing Steve Gibson to put together a proposal and a deadline for G2A to act upon.

  • Before Bulletstorm Steam launch, G2A makes a public commitment to this: Within 30 days, G2A Shield (aka, customer fraud protection) is made free instead of a separate paid subscription service within terms offered by other major marketplaces. All customers who spend money deserve fraud protection from a storefront. To that end, all existing G2A Shield customers are notified by April 14th that fraud protection services are now free and they will no longer be charged for this.
  • Before Bulletstorm Steam launch, G2A makes a public commitment to this: Within 90 days, G2A will open up a web service or API to certified developers and publishers to search for and flag for immediate removal, keys that are fraudulent. This access will be free of charge and will not require payment by the content holders.
  • Before Bulletstorm Steam launch, G2A makes a public commitment to this: Within 60 days implement throttling for non-certified developers and publishers at the title, userid, and account payable levels for a fraud flagging process. This is to protect content providers from having large quantities of stolen goods flipped on G2A before they can be flagged.
  • Before Bulletstorm Steam launch, G2A makes a public commitment to this: Within 30 days, G2A restructures its payment system so that customers who wish to buy and sell legitimate keys are given a clear, simple fee-structure that is easy to understand and contains no hidden or obfuscated charges. Join the ranks of other major marketplaces.

Gearbox Publishing won't support a marketplace that is unwilling to make these commitments and execute on them.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So this created a win/win situation of sorts, in which either G2A takes large steps towards legitimizing their platform or they don't, and publishers won't have the potential for any excuse of ignorance (that anyone would believe) of G2A's copious problems, not to mention the very notable and public PR disaster in store for G2A, or even Gearbox, if they don't pull out of the partnership in the event G2A doesn't comply with their proposal.

 

You can read more about the situation on Totalbiscuit's Twitlonger: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spp1mm

 

or on Eurogamers website, which details the initial partnership and this recent update:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-04-06-gearbox-partners-with-controversial-game-key-reseller-g2a-for-bulletstorm-full-clip-edition-bundle

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That first point about G2A Shield feels something like an eye opener. Why should you have to pay for fraud protection if you are not meeting face-to-face to deal with the transaction?

 

Alas, the allure of dirt cheap games is more important to some people than common sense.

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1 minute ago, 8-Bit Ninja said:

There is no way g2a will agree to this, they make a small fortune in tricking people into paying £2.50 for g2a shield. 

adding to this, this from from John Bain (Totalbiscuit)

Now perhaps you're thinking that I am naive and how could I possibly believe that G2A will follow up on these demands? The answer is simple. 

I fully expect them not to.

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1 hour ago, 8-Bit Ninja said:

There is no way g2a will agree to this, they make a small fortune in tricking people into paying £2.50 for g2a shield. 

Also takes forever to deactivate the service and even have you wait 20 god damn minutes after saying "no" for the 5th time to wait for email confirmation and then continue to beg for you stay. Pathetic.

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1 hour ago, Arokhantos said:

Bulletstorm full clip edition is just a scam anyway, meanwhile original bulletstorm still has games for windows live which was discontinued and has yet to be removed.

 

Removing GFWL from the original is up to neither Gearbox nor People Can Fly. That would be up to the company that used to own People Can Fly, Epic. And potentially EA since they published it.

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i think if i were to do what g2a does in NZ i would have all sorts of consumer rights watchdog barking at me

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So either G2A are crooks that charge you less or publishers are crooks for hiking the prices in Australia with no real reason other than because they can... tough choice (not really).

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Why does TotalBiscuit have so much jurisdiction? I personally hate the man to death

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Why does TotalBiscuit have so much jurisdiction? I personally hate the man to death

What about him do you hate so much?

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1 hour ago, Energycore said:

What about him do you hate so much?

I think it's the way he presents himself in videos and how he reacts to others.

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4 hours ago, 8-Bit Ninja said:

There is no way g2a will agree to this, they make a small fortune in tricking people into paying £2.50 for g2a shield. 

Fine, then let them publicly refuse terms that should be easy for any truly legitimate seller (or "marketplace") to agree to. In some ways I'd almost prefer that outcome, it will make their intentions far more obvious to the general public and far harder for the apologists to defend. That's why it's a win-win.

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Not sure what the issue with G2A is, I've bought 3 or 4 games on there (normally a year or so old) for like half price or less, no "shield" thing and no problems ever.

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15 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Why does TotalBiscuit have so much jurisdiction? I personally hate the man to death

??

 

He has no jurisdiction. He has visibility.

 

It allows him to bring a spotlight on certain issues the same way a popular newspaper can. In this case his actions have caused a major developer to tackle an issue plaguing our industry.

 

This is the role of the free media. Can't comment on your personal hatred of him...

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Just now, Rangaman42 said:

Not sure what the issue with G2A is, I've bought 3 or 4 games on there (normally a year or so old) for like half price or less, no "shield" thing and no problems ever.

It's been a pretty common argument that I've heard surrounding this topic in particular, "that I don't see the problem because it hasn't ever affected me".

 

It's one of the things that keeps people buying crap PSUs too.

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It's been a pretty common argument that I've heard surrounding this topic in particular, "that I don't see the problem because it hasn't ever affected me".

Yep, it's like us saying

"I have pirated a game for free with no issue whatsoever.  So I do not see a problem here.."

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Just now, Energycore said:

It's been a pretty common argument that I've heard surrounding this topic in particular, "that I don't see the problem because it hasn't ever affected me".

 

It's one of the things that keeps people buying crap PSUs too.

 

I mean, just don't buy a game as a "steam gift" because that's clearly dodgy, but I've never seen something go wrong. I don't really care how they got the keys in the first place, that's not my problem. And, with the way my life is atm, I will either buy it that way, or it'll end up being pirated.

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Clever move from Gearbox PR.

 

G2A won't agree to any of this shit though.

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28 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

Not sure what the issue with G2A is, I've bought 3 or 4 games on there (normally a year or so old) for like half price or less, no "shield" thing and no problems ever.

It's not about you personally experiencing a problem with a purchase. That's one concern, but the bigger issue is that you have no way of knowing where your key came from or that the right amount of your money actually made it back to the people who made the game. In the worst case, it could have literally been stolen.

 

That's why G2A's business model works.. it's really hard to get the end-user to care where their money actually went or why their purchase was so suspiciously cheap, when everything usually goes okay on their end. You have to go out of your way to worry about what G2A is doing, and that makes it easy for them.

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Just now, typographie said:

It's not about you personally experiencing a problem with a purchase. That's one concern, but the bigger issue is that you have no way of knowing where your key came from or that the right amount of your money actually made it back to the people who made the game. In the worst case, it could have literally been stolen.

 

That's why G2A's business model works.. it's really hard to get the end-user to care where their money actually went or why their purchase was so suspiciously cheap, after everything seemed to go okay on their end. You have to go out of your way to worry about what G2A is doing, and that makes it easy for them.

 

Yah, and if it's stolen or whatever, that's no problem of mine. I totally get that their business is super dodgy, but it doesn't affect me negatively and there's more chance of a dev (lol like devs get much after the publishers take their cuts...) getting paid than if I pirate it.

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5 hours ago, 8-Bit Ninja said:

adding to this, this from from John Bain (Totalbiscuit)

Now perhaps you're thinking that I am naive and how could I possibly believe that G2A will follow up on these demands? The answer is simple. 

I fully expect them not to.

Nice, I just got to that part in TB's video as I read your comment.

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18 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

there's more chance of a dev (lol like devs get much after the publishers take their cuts...) getting paid than if I pirate it.

Not really. Games devs have gone bankrupt from credit card charge backs. It would be less harmful if you pirated the game as devs don't risk charge backs and G2A doesn't make money off of likely stolen keys.

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