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Apple admits that 2013 Mac Pro had problems, Promises a Radical new Modular Mac Pro for next year

2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I hate to be like this, but we've already lived with "modular" Mac Pros since the late 90s, they're called (Desktop) Personal Computers and are something everyone at Apple should look into.

To be fair, the 2013 Mac Pro is modular. It's just that much of the parts aren't easily replaceable with COTS products.

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How does it take a year to throw off the shelf components into a midtower aluminum case and slap OS X on it?

 

$20 says they're working on a way to make it "modular" but completely locked down so you can only buy the modules from them.  Oh sorry you'll need some proprietary docking connector for that 1080 gpu.  Bend over, bitches.

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5 hours ago, Sauron said:

Took them long enough... but at least they aknowledged it. I'm interested to see if by "modular" they mean what every other workstation ever built is like or if they have something special in mind.

in the 90/early 2000s when they werent making money they made modular laptops. They were awesome you could swap out the cd drive and hard drives for more drives or batteries. I think they had something like SCSI interfaces. They looked very industrial, this is before they made the cute bubbly looking macs. I imagine the new mac pro will be like old laptops with swappable drives.

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12 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

in the 90/early 2000s when they werent making money they made modular laptops. They were awesome you could swap out the cd drive and hard drives for more drives or batteries. I think they had something like SCSI interfaces. They looked very industrial, this is before they made the cute bubbly looking macs. I imagine the new mac pro will be like old laptops with swappable drives.

Hopefully it's more than just drives, I'd expect gpus to be more relevant in a high end workstation

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6 hours ago, Starelementpoke said:

What I find hilarious is that a "radical" rework is probably putting actual hardware into the thing. Thermal constraints my arse, Vortex did it fine Apple. 

Anandtech had an article on it this morning. While the Mac Pro could handle the 400W (total) dual GPUs, it had twice the surface area to dissipate the heat with. thermal constraints meant that Apple couldn't load in anything over a 200W GPU per side. The design of the GPU was also on a custom Apple PCB, so I guess they just got lazy here and the economics didn't stack up. Hope they just use reference PCBs moving forward, or MXM 1080s. 

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2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Hopefully it's more than just drives, I'd expect gpus to be more relevant in a high end workstation

that would be nice but i doubt they will be that generous to their customers. Its really vital they allow for drive expansion for professionals, its a real deal breaker. I'm planning to use a mac mini as a build server just because I have to have a mac. I cant see anything on the apple range ATM that would be suitable for development work which is why iv been calling for tim cook to get a kick in his arse

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I honestly wouldn't put too much high expectations on this as we are in the Post Jobs Apple environment.  Probably when they say modular, it will be factory modular for a CPU soldered onto Mobo, with user replacable SSD (maybe M.2), RAM and custom GPU PCB. All of which you will need to buy from or get upgraded at an Apple Certified Retailer in order to retain Apple support.

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2 hours ago, SCHISCHKA said:

in the 90/early 2000s when they werent making money they made modular laptops. They were awesome you could swap out the cd drive and hard drives for more drives or batteries. I think they had something like SCSI interfaces. They looked very industrial, this is before they made the cute bubbly looking macs. I imagine the new mac pro will be like old laptops with swappable drives.

Dell and IBM could do this too (in the 1999 era).  You could swap out the CD drive for an extra battery, or they would come with 2 battery ports so you could hotswap batteries without shutting down.  I miss those days.

 

EDIT: Should mention this was only on the Latitude and Precision laptops.  I don't think the "consumer" Inspiron stuff ever supported dual batteries or swapping parts.

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I really hope he correctly used the word 'radical' when it comes to modular. Going back to the old Mac Pros for modularity would not be ideal, it would be them publicly admitting they have done nothing for the Mac Pro lineup for the last decade or so.

I would like something radical; something different; something that has Apple's classic ease-of-use paired with incredible revolution. But personally, I just can't see what that's going to be.

 

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7 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

To be fair, the 2013 Mac Pro is modular. It's just that much of the parts aren't easily replaceable with COTS products.

 

6 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

How does it take a year to throw off the shelf components into a midtower aluminum case and slap OS X on it?

 

$20 says they're working on a way to make it "modular" but completely locked down so you can only buy the modules from them.  Oh sorry you'll need some proprietary docking connector for that 1080 gpu.  Bend over, bitches.

 

4 hours ago, WMGroomAK said:

I honestly wouldn't put too much high expectations on this as we are in the Post Jobs Apple environment.  Probably when they say modular, it will be factory modular for a CPU soldered onto Mobo, with user replacable SSD (maybe M.2), RAM and custom GPU PCB. All of which you will need to buy from or get upgraded at an Apple Certified Retailer in order to retain Apple support.

 

1 hour ago, Macimoar said:

I really hope he correctly used the word 'radical' when it comes to modular. Going back to the old Mac Pros for modularity would not be ideal, it would be them publicly admitting they have done nothing for the Mac Pro lineup for the last decade or so.

I would like something radical; something different; something that has Apple's classic ease-of-use paired with incredible revolution. But personally, I just can't see what that's going to be.

 

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I think what Apple really means about 'modular' is using standard form factor components for the GPU, CPU, RAM etc. Anandtech noted that their custon form factor Radeon cards really hurt them in the 2013 Pro. Likely it just means that we'll be back in the days where 'Apple' GPUs for the Mac Pro are just standard cards with a custom firmware. 

 

Though the hope is for them to fully leverage a 'modular system' where individual parts are interconnected via TB3. But again looking at the numbers Mac Pro is <1% of the total Mac sales which are in themselves ~10% of Apple's sales, so really not relevant in the grand scheme of things compared to something like the iPhone.

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14 hours ago, ashypanda said:

i find their reasoning a load of bull, as the CPU TDP has been the same since 2013 so heat nor power constraints are the issue, for the GPUs they could have used custom SKUs like they done before, the only minor issue could be the height of DDR4 modules, but they could have stretched the tin can a few centimetres, to fit them in, but a lot of it sounds like they are too lazy to bother updating it.

It was GPU issues. The design couldn't handle an uneven heat load. A dual GPU config didn't work for many. Instead a single powerful GPU would be much better but that introduced uneven heat loads making it not viable for the computer. 

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12 minutes ago, wcreek said:

So basically back to the pre-2013 design :^ 

Or just a box with half volume of the current Mac Pro with 12 usb-c ports cause at apple "dongle=modularity"

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I wonder if they will use Ryzen for the mac pro this time or the new incoming dual socket LGA Cpus.

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19 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

2) am i stil an apple hater now 

4) now to wait for a proper replacement to my 2012 non retina macbook pro

Still an apple hater. Using a 2012 MacBook Pro. 

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I think when apple said "modular" they meant the new Mac pros will have swappable parts in it. (probably GPU). But you have to buy those GPUs in Apple Store and no where else. And it is gonna be expensive. 

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And now all the Apple fanboys that wasted all that time damage controlling the 2013 Mac Pro are beside themselves. Not even Apple is gonna defend it. xD

 

But really, can Apple just go back to the previous Mac Pro design?

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Well to be honest I always thought of the 2013 Mac Pro to be more of a Mac Mini Pro instead if I am honest it was a load of S*#t for professionals.

 

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21 hours ago, RedRound2 said:

So you're saying that instead of updating the current Mac Pro which cost say 'x' in R&D, they decided to spend 10-50 times more for a completely reworked version because they were 'lazy'.  That seems counterintuitive

Didn't they literally JUST say it was too hard for them to update it? If there was anything other than laziness or incompetence behind the whole thing they wouldn't have waited 4 years before even hinting at a new model. This is how it probably went down:

 

"Hey, we spend a whack ton of money to engineer this new mac pro!"

"Great!"

-2 months later-

"pros hate it and we have no way to update it!"

"well, we invested a lot of money into the design so since we don't really care about pros we'll just let it stagnate for 5 years until it's paid for itself and then design something that makes sense"

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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Didn't they literally JUST say it was too hard for them to update it? If there was anything other than laziness or incompetence behind the whole thing they wouldn't have waited 4 years before even hinting at a new model. This is how it probably went down:

 

"Hey, we spend a whack ton of money to engineer this new mac pro!"

"Great!"

-2 months later-

"pros hate it and we have no way to update it!"

"well, we invested a lot of money into the design so since we don't really care about pros we'll just let it stagnate for 5 years until it's paid for itself and then design something that makes sense"

 

Maybe, but it would've been much easier to drop the Mac Pro entirely as it represents less than 10% of Mac users and I doubt the lack of product would even make a dent in their revenue.

 

Also, you make it sound like the consumers were being scammed or losing here when it's not the case. They released the Mac Pro, people who wanted it, bought it, others didn't. They didn't update, which didn't affect the current owners in any way, but they themselves removed them as an option for potential buyers when they didn't update the model. And yes, it may have taken two-three years to realise they had a problem because they probably had to wait for the industry to adapt into what they thought would settle TB peripherals and dual GPU config but it took a different route and Apple themselves admitted that they should've realised this earlier

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