rumor Intel KabyLake G

[NumLock21]

Speculation has been going about the web, that Intel is making a new processor called KabyLake G. The new cpu will be different, where it has a cpu, discrete gpu, communications, and other chips, all in bundled into a single package. Each of the individual chips will be communicating with each other through Intel's Embedded Multi-die Interconnect Bridge or EMIB for short. The new "bridge" design is a improvement to what Intel was trying to achieve with the same cpu idea, back during the 32nm process days with Clarkdale, Intel says this new bridge is

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"more elegant interconnect for a more civilized age."

For now it's said that KabyLake G will be a BGA package with a TDP of 65w to 100w, which is well above the mobile KabyLake-H with a TDP of just 45w. This could possibility mean that Intel might have discrete AMD graphics and with use of HBM2, even though no concrete information has been found on this. Package size for KabyLake G measures in at 58.5 x 31 mm , which is larger, than current LGA socket desktop KabyLake S that measures in at 37.5 x 37.5mm.

 

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The heterogeneous, modular approach to CPU development here would really benefit Intel thusly: it would allow it to integrate such external graphics solutions that could be produced in other factories entirely and then fitted onto the package; would allow Intel to save die space on their 10 nm dies for actual cores, increasing yields from their 10 nm process; and would allow Intel to recycle old processes with new logic inside the CPU package, permitting the company to better distribute production load across different processes, better utilizing (and extracting value from) their not-so-state-of-the-art processes.

If Intel advances with this modular approach, we stand to see some really interesting designs, with multiple manufacturing processes working in tandem inside a single package, giving Intel more flexibility in developing and implementing its fabrication processes.

 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/232067/rumored-intel-kaby-lake-g-series-modular-multi-die-hbm-2-amd-graphics-ip

[Guest]

So is this something like an APU? 

[Citadelen]

Alright I'm now 99% sure those rumors about Intel dropping Nvidia for AMD and then designing an MCM from their IP are correct.

[NumLock21]

Just now, Citadelen said:

Alright I'm now 99% sure those rumors about Intel dropping Nvidia for AMD and then designing an MCM from their IP are correct.

Intel dropped Nvidia a long time ago since the dawn of Core processing. Well for their chipsets, like socket 775 you still see nvidia chipset boards. After that, it's only Intel chipsets. SLI is still supported on Intel chipsets, I'm guessing through some licensing term or something?

[Citadelen]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Intel dropped Nvidia a long time ago since the dawn of Core processing. Well for their chipsets, like socket 775 you still see nvidia chipset boards. After that, it's only Intel chipsets. SLI is still supported on Intel chipsets, I'm guessing through some licensing term or something?

Intel licenses certain graphics IP from Nvidia for their iGPUs. For the past half year there have been recurring rumors about Intel dropping Nvidia and using AMDs IP, some say they're designing an MCM combining an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU.

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

Intel dropped Nvidia a long time ago since the dawn of Core processing. Well for their chipsets, like socket 775 you still see nvidia chipset boards. After that, it's only Intel chipsets. SLI is still supported on Intel chipsets, I'm guessing through some licensing term or something?

they recently dropped their license for some GPU patients.

[Teddy07]

interesting but i won't buy a new laptop anytime soon.

 

Just upgraded my laptop with a used i7 2670qm.  New laptops in my price category won't provide a significant performance boost.

[Matu20]

1 minute ago, Teddy07 said:

interesting but i won't buy a new laptop anytime soon.

 

Just upgraded my laptop with a used i7 2670qm.  New laptops in my price category won't provide a significant performance boost.

And how is that relevant?

[Teddy07]

11 minutes ago, Matu20 said:

And how is that relevant?

i thought they want to use it in laptops

[SurvivorNVL]

Neat.  

[Okjoek]

Sweet, I wonder when this will arrive? Before or after AMD's Raven Ridge?

[tlink]

isn't this literally a SoC like we see with phone processors?

[Dabombinable]

Intel has partnered with Nvidia in the past, so its possible an Nvidia GPU could be used if a new agreement is reached.

[MandelFrac]

14 hours ago, Citadelen said:

Alright I'm now 99% sure those rumors about Intel dropping Nvidia for AMD and then designing an MCM from their IP are correct.

They could just be dropping Nvidia and going it alone. Intel giving AMD money apart from lawsuit settlements seems pretty unlikely.

[MandelFrac]

13 hours ago, Citadelen said:

Intel licenses certain graphics IP from Nvidia for their iGPUs. For the past half year there have been recurring rumors about Intel dropping Nvidia and using AMDs IP, some say they're designing an MCM combining an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU.

There's been exactly 1 rumor from 1 editor of 1 blog that's been echo'ed up and down the interwebz, but no one has a single source for it.

[Qwertious]

13 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

Just upgraded my laptop with a used i7 2670qm.

I see mobile performance this way. A faster processor at the same power consumption or a just as fast processor but less power usage. It's not all about how fast it goes but how efficient it is at doing it.

[Citadelen]

6 hours ago, MandelFrac said:

They could just be dropping Nvidia and going it alone. Intel giving AMD money apart from lawsuit settlements seems pretty unlikely.

No, that simply isn't practical, try designing a viable alternative to the unified shader model for example, it isn't worth the R&D. Intel and AMD don't hate each other as much as you'd expect, they even collaborated this Christmas with Intel CPU and AMD GPU bundles, not to mention Intel adopted AMD's FreeSync.

6 hours ago, MandelFrac said:

There's been exactly 1 rumor from 1 editor of 1 blog that's been echo'ed up and down the interwebz, but no one has a single source for it.

CanardPC also says they have sources on it now, in fact they did an entire section in their magazine about Intel a while ago using their insider sources, saying how much of an incompetent CEO Kaznaich is among other things, not to mention we now actually have rumors of Kaby Lake G which is an MCM.

[Notional]

That's really interesting. Might make overclocking a nightmare, but if yields improve and they can send the saved costs onto the consumer (instead of just being greedy INTEL), then cool.

 

Now the rumours state that AMD's Navi GPU's will also be stitched together with several parts. Intel doing something similar should prove that it is possible and practical.

[MandelFrac]

8 minutes ago, Citadelen said:

No, that simply isn't practical, try designing a viable alternative to the unified shader model for example, it isn't worth the R&D. Intel and AMD don't hate each other as much as you'd expect, they even collaborated this Christmas with Intel CPU and AMD GPU bundles, not to mention Intel adopted AMD's FreeSync.

CanardPC also says they have sources on it now, in fact they did an entire section in their magazine about Intel a while ago using their insider sources, saying how much of an incompetent CEO Kaznaich is among other things, not to mention we now actually have rumors of Kaby Lake G which is an MCM.

As if to say Intel hasn't been researching how to do that since Nehalem... Come on, do you think the 21 billion not spent on foundry equipment just vanishes into CPU architecture?

 

Actually that was purely AMD. They bought 1000s of Intel CPUs at a discount and then sold their GPUs in tandem to make the small discount still turn good profit.

 

Canard has provided no such sources, and it wouldn't be the first time Canard made up crap to get clicks. By raw numbers, Kirzanich is more successful even than Otellini. Kaby Lake G is also not an MCM. It's all on one interposer, similar to the Fury X, just more heterogeneous. I forget the acronym, but it's not an MCM. It's a much more compact, power-efficient packaging.

[arbellason55]

20 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Intel dropped Nvidia a long time ago since the dawn of Core processing. Well for their chipsets, like socket 775 you still see nvidia chipset boards. After that, it's only Intel chipsets. SLI is still supported on Intel chipsets, I'm guessing through some licensing term or something?

I used to have an Nvidia board, it's dead now but I remember it had some feature that other boards didn't have at the time. 

[Citadelen]

7 minutes ago, MandelFrac said:

As if to say Intel hasn't been researching how to do that since Nehalem... Come on, do you think the 21 billion not spent on foundry equipment just vanishes into CPU architecture?

 

Actually that was purely AMD. They bought 1000s of Intel CPUs at a discount and then sold their GPUs in tandem to make the small discount still turn good profit.

 

Canard has provided no such sources, and it wouldn't be the first time Canard made up crap to get clicks. By raw numbers, Kirzanich is more successful even than Otellini. Kaby Lake G is also not an MCM. It's all on one interposer, similar to the Fury X, just more heterogeneous. I forget the acronym, but it's not an MCM. It's a much more compact, power-efficient packaging.

Oh come on, you can't deduce that Kazanich is successfully purely from the fact that their company is doing well, that tends to happen when you have no competition. He's incompetence comes in the form of wasted money and fickle focus. Remember contra-revenue? Not only was I paraphrasing on the MCM, but people tend to only have loose changeable information that early on. On the topic of Intel designing their own GPU, one does not lay off thousands of GPU department if they are designing something as radicle as an alternative to the unified shader model. Your trust in Intel is quite something, has it ever occurred to you that Intel is wasting billions each year? There is a reason why they layed of 11% of their work force and are aggressively slashing R&D now.

[NumLock21]

Leak pic!

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Leak pic!

omg and they blocked it. looks like a rectangle shaped cpu 

[PocketNerd]

So these are meant for mobile? Given the size I'd wager they're going to be for Ultrabooks.

[Nephilim]

3 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Leak pic!

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2 hours ago, deXxterlab97 said:

omg and they blocked it. looks like a rectangle shaped cpu 

Looks to me like a dual-core Iris Pro chip honestly.