Intel Core i7 7740K

[Cracklingice]

34 minutes ago, MonkeyBrainz said:

For everything that isn't gaming and content creation, 4/4 is more than enough. Offices, schools, libraries, and so many other places with PCs generally don't even need more than a Pentium or Core I3.

yep on a h110 board - but we aren't talking about consumer pleb stuff - we're talking about enthusiast computers.  Although since you want to talk consumer pleb stuff - in a couple years it will be more cost effective to just make celerons and pentiums true quad cores than it will be to engineer dual cores.  Then it will be outdated in any machine.

[Hunter259]

2 hours ago, Cracklingice said:

4/4 is already outdated.  You see it in benchmarks where they cannot keep up with the i7.  Definitely agree about the i7 on the enthusiast platform.  Though the i5 is a complete waste of time.

But the chips must feature 32+ lanes of pcie and quad channel memory or intel screwed the pooch on it.

Well, unless you can get 6ghz on air with 95% of all the chips - and I highly doubt that.

Lol. 4/4 isn't outdated for 95% of people. Unless you are running super high end hardware, i5's are still perfectly fine and the difference between them goes away as resolution goes up.

[Senzelian]

A summary of the comment section of this thread:

 

• First people are debating in which generation this CPU falls. 
• zMeul is crying. 
• Then people are talking about some industry nonsense they don't even understand. 
• People are complaining how terrible Intel is. 
• zMeul is still crying. 
• At the end no one cares.

Stop guys, I'm out of popcorn. 

 

 

[3 Lions]

If this CPU can at least challenge Ryzen 7 in workstation applications then that's a start but Intel are going to have to up their game for Coffee Lake, maybe a refurbishment of the of the product lines. So what I mean is that the Core i3 will have 4 cores 0 threads, the i5 will have 6 cores and 12 threads and the i7 10 cores and 20 threads.   

[DildorTheDecent]

Can't believe they are putting quad cores on the enthusiast platform. (Not the first time though, looking at you 3820)

 

Not even getting quad channel memory which is the best thing ever about the enthusiast platform. The speed is nuts. 

 

Guess it's *OK* if you plan on stepping up properly later on, just looks useless right now. 

 

 

[79wjd]

19 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Can't believe they are putting quad cores on the enthusiast platform. (Not the first time though, looking at you 3820)

 

Not even getting quad channel memory which is the best thing ever about the enthusiast platform. The speed is nuts. 

 

Guess it's *OK* if you plan on stepping up properly later on, just looks useless right now. 

And the 4820k.

 

It looks useless and stupid unless it's priced less than a 7700k (to account for the more expensive chipset). If it's priced the same as a 7700k, then there wouldn't be any reason to get a 7740k over a 7800k (50% more, of the same, cores for an extra $50 is a no brainer when you're looking at a platform cost of $500+). Of course, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to make sense; Intel could also just release a stupid product (like AMD did with the 9590) and hope that people waste extra money on it. 

39 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

4 cores 0 threads

What kind of voodoo magic is that

[DildorTheDecent]

39 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Core i3 will have 4 cores 0 threads, the i5 will have 6 cores and 12 threads and the i7 10 cores and 20 threads.   

drugs must be quality where you're from. 

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

And the 4820k.

 

It looks useless and stupid unless it's priced less than a 7700k (to account for the more expensive chipset). If it's priced the same as a 7700k, then there wouldn't be any reason to get a 7740k over a 7800k (50% more of the same cores for an extra $50). Of course, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to make sense; Intel could also just release a stupid product (like the 9590 for example) and hope that people waste extra money on it. 

It's probably to try and make the X299 platform more "gamer" friendly. Give them the option to upgrade if they want (which they should)

 

Sure next year Intel could go one better and through dual cores on there too. Or scrap Z series altogether. 

[3 Lions]

Just now, DildorTheDecent said:

drugs must be quality where you're from. 

Why? 

[DildorTheDecent]

Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Why? 

4 core i3s, 6 core i5s and 10 core i7s? You really don't see the issue? 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all. All that will happen is that there will be some really pricey i3s and i5s. Not going to mention the cost for the i7. 

 

The i3 is totally fine with two cores + HT. The i5 is fine with its 4 real cores and the i7 is even better with HT. There's no need to refresh the line. 

 

hmu with your dealer fam.

[3 Lions]

Just now, DildorTheDecent said:

4 core i3s, 6 core i5s and 10 core i7s? You really don't see the issue? 

 

Doesn't make any sense at all. All that will happen is that there will be some really pricey i3s and i5s. Not going to mention the cost for the i7. 

 

The i3 is totally fine with two cores + HT. The i5 is fine with its 4 real cores and the i7 is even better with HT. There's no need to refresh the line. 

 

hmu with your dealer fam.

Well they need to do something. 

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Cracklingice said:

 

 

Everyone seems to miss the point that high end gaming systems can now be built on the high end desktop platform without sacrificing frame rate to slower clock speeds and lower ipc.

Perhaps. But what's the advantage? More PCIe lanes? I don't think there was really a shortage on LGA1151, plus the leaks I've seen show that it doesn't gain any. Still has 16.

 

[DildorTheDecent]

6 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Well they need to do something. 

Anything but that. 

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

Anything but that. 

If Ryzen starts to seriously affect Intel's sales, then we'll no question see some changes on the consumer platform -- specifically a shift down of all SKUs. 

 

Celerons - dual cores (no big changes, maybe more cache)

Pentiums - HT dual cores (will probably get AVX support and become full i3s).

i3's - 4c/4t and replace the i5 

i5's - 4c/8t and replace the i7

 

The i7 is where things get kind of interesting/confusing -- specifically because Intel has two platforms (consumer and HEDT).

[Cracklingice]

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

If Ryzen starts to seriously affect Intel's sales, then we'll no question see some changes on the consumer platform -- specifically a shift down of all SKUs. 

 

Celerons - dual cores (no big changes, maybe more cache)

Pentiums - HT dual cores (will probably get AVX support and become full i3s).

i3's - 4c/4t and replace the i5 

i5's - 4c/8t and replace the i7

 

The i7 is where things get kind of interesting/confusing -- specifically because Intel has two platforms (consumer and HEDT).

i7 consumer is rumored to get a 6/12 in the near future, like with C-lake.

[DildorTheDecent]

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

If Ryzen starts to seriously affect Intel's sales, then we'll no question see some changes on the consumer platform -- specifically a shift down of all SKUs. 

 

Celerons - dual cores (no big changes, maybe more cache)

Pentiums - HT dual cores (will probably get AVX support and become full i3s).

i3's - 4c/4t and replace the i5 

i5's - 4c/8t and replace the i7

 

The i7 is where things get kind of interesting/confusing -- specifically because Intel has two platforms (consumer and HEDT).

As long as HEDT stays the way it is i'm ok with that. 

 

Although the consumer shifting would seem very odd. 

[The Benjamins]

here is a AMD 12 core chip http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5e3dbe9d1e8dcfa88b585a3c6a39eae88fbc6f6&l=en

[Dabombinable]

What we really need is:

• Pentium to keep on being hyperthreaded dual cores,
• i3 to be non hyperthreaded tri core
• i5 to be hyperthreaded tri cores (running my 4790K like that right now....and I'm noticing no difference in the way my rig is running)
• i7 to only be the 4 core 8 thread sku, and any higher core/thread count CPU having a different identifier

[Cracklingice]

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

What we really need is:

• Pentium to keep on being hyperthreaded dual cores,
• i3 to be non hyperthreaded tri core
• i5 to be hyperthreaded tri cores (running my 4790K like that right now....and I'm noticing no difference in the way my rig is running)
• i7 to only be the 4 core 8 thread sku, and any higher core/thread count CPU having a different identifier

More likely celeron dual core, pentium dual core HT, i3 quad core, i5 quad core HT, i7 hexacore HT

[Citadelen]

This is, in all honesty, a pathetic response to Ryzen 5.

[Cracklingice]

5 minutes ago, Citadelen said:

This is, in all honesty, a pathetic response to Ryzen 5.

It will be better when the next generation hits.  Yes the 7740k is not really all that great even if they do provide all the features it needs of 32 to 40 pcie lanes and quad channel memory, but when it comes time for the 8740k and it's six core - then it will be a much better looking option.

[Citadelen]

2 minutes ago, Cracklingice said:

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It's a niche of a nice market they're aiming for, why you'd want all those HEDT features with just a quad core I really don't know. By the time the 8740K launches Zen 2 will most likely be out, providing a supposed 15% IPC uplift among other changes, if all Intel is really doing is moving six cores into the mainstream then it doesn't seem like an adequate response.

6 minutes ago, MonkeyBrainz said:

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And Zen has been on AMD's roadmaps  a since 2015. Companies plan responses to their competitors products years in advance, I quite frankly think Intel underestimated AMD's ability to make such a comeback, and as such don't have an adequate response.

[MageTank]

16 minutes ago, Citadelen said:

This is, in all honesty, a pathetic response to Ryzen 5.

I would have settled for @MonkeyBrainz taking care of this, but since I too have said this exact same thing before, I figured I'd double down. Take it away, Past MageTank!

 

Great work Past MageTank, you always know what to do when I do not. 

 

1 minute ago, Citadelen said:

And Zen has been on AMD's roadmaps  a since 2015. Companies plan responses to their competitors products years in advance, I quite frankly think Intel underestimated AMD's ability to make such a comeback, and as such don't have an adequate response.

Yes, and Intel totally planned to release an unlocked quad-core on their workstation/enthusiast platform years in advance because they knew AMD's exact product stack would call for it. I think you being an AMD fanboy is starting to cloud your judgement. Otherwise, you would not be making this claim as if it's actually true. 

[Cracklingice]

Just now, Citadelen said:

It's a niche of a nice market they're aiming for, why you'd want all those HEDT features with just a quad core I really don't know. By the time the 8740K launches Zen 2 will most likely be out, providing a supposed 15% IPC uplift among other changes, if all Intel is really doing is moving six cores into the mainstream then it doesn't seem like an adequate response.

And Zen has been on AMD's roadmaps  a since 2015. Companies plan responses to their competitors products years in advance, I quite frankly think Intel underestimated AMD's ability to make such a comeback, and as such don't have an adequate response.

It will be six cores and IPC gain.  It's also not about a quad core on HEDT - it's about current generation architecture on HEDT.  Unless you have a load that can optimally use the 4 more threads, going one generation older with a couple hundred mhz slower clocks (or more) isn't an upgrade - it's a downgrade.  Like going from 7700k to 6800k for gaming.  It makes no sense that consumer grade hardware is the top of the line for gaming and it's been that way for years.  That is what they are fixing by putting the current consumer grade top tier product onto the enthusiast lineup.

 

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Yes, and Intel totally planned to release an unlocked quad-core on their workstation/enthusiast platform years in advance because they knew AMD's exact product stack would call for it. I think you being an AMD fanboy is starting to cloud your judgement. Otherwise, you would not be making this claim as if it's actually true. 

It's not about it being a quad core.  Cores do not equal performance in everything.  It's about the latest arcitecture on HEDT when it's still relevant then that architecture gets more cores when the new architecture comes out and replaces the lower core count.  Again, it's about filling the gap of having to use consumer hardware for the highest performance when the workload does not benefit from high core count.

 

And all of my arguments do go out the window if intel drops the ball and they are not fully featured chips like they need to be.

[MageTank]

Just now, Cracklingice said:

It's not about it being a quad core.  Cores do not equal performance in everything.  It's about the latest arcitecture on HEDT when it's still relevant then that architecture gets more cores when the new architecture comes out and replaces the lower core count.  Again, it's about filling the gap of having to use consumer hardware for the highest performance when the workload does not benefit from high core count.

 

And all of my arguments do go out the window if intel drops the ball and they are not fully featured chips like they need to be.

I am sorry, but I did not understand this post at all, and I've read it 3 times now. I do not mean to be rude, but can you re-structure this for me so that I can understand it? Specifically this part:

Quote

It's about the latest arcitecture on HEDT when it's still relevant then that architecture gets more cores when the new architecture comes out and replaces the lower core count. 

 

[Citadelen]

12 minutes ago, MageTank said:

-snip-

Yeah I see my error, I responded to his point about roadmaps but accidentally contradicted my original point. I'm not surprised honestly, it's almost one am here and I'm battling a nasty cold. In all honesty I still can't work out what you're trying to say in the beginning of your post, I'm sorry it's too taxing for me.

 

Oh and don't worry I haven't the faintest idea what @Cracklingice is trying to say either.

7 minutes ago, Cracklingice said:

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Ah yes, a 1-3% IPC gain, Intel is REALLY going to shake up the market this time.