Intel Core i7 7740K

[PlayStation 2]

So is this literally just a binned 7700K on a different socket?

[Cracklingice]

15 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Entry level starts at 4 cores, but Intel need to sell at a lower price than mainstream to get people onboard the HEDT platform. Then it won't make any sense either, when you're going high-end just get a 6 core.

You're forgetting that the high core counts don't always reach the per core speed of the lower ones and are one generation older.  What I am stating is this is the start of a step up in core counts on both platforms.  We'll likely see the i3 as a true quad core, i5 as 4c/8t and i7 as 6c/12 in the next consumer level parts.  Then we'll see the high core count HEDTs starting at 8 core Kabylake-x and C-lake with a 6 core on the same platform.  The C-lake will likely offer 10-15% or so in single core performance over the K-lake (possibly max OC of both chips or stock we don't know yet) making it the better choice for pure gaming.  Being on the X299 chipset it would also make it a better choice for high end multi gpu builds over a consumer (z370) C-lake.  It's a best of both worlds scenario.

I would like to point out this is all based on speculation and rumors.

[Dabombinable]

I don't think many people would buy a 7740K at all. Anything else on the platform with more cores wouldn't cost that much more to buy over it (the entry level models that is), and with the 7700K's platform being cheaper-what is Intel smoking?

[79wjd]

52 minutes ago, Nicholatian said:

Inte’s still lagging behind? Really? Am I reading those OPS numbers right?

You're looking at a 4c/8t i7 vs. a 6c/12t R5.

 

13 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I don't think many people would buy a 7740K at all. Anything else on the platform with more cores wouldn't cost that much more to buy over it (the entry level models that is), and with the 7700K's platform being cheaper-what is Intel smoking?

Maybe the 7740k will be cheaper than a 7700k? It wouldn't really make sense otherwise. Intel could sell a 7740k for less and make up the profit loss compared to a 7700k by a more expensive x299 chipset. Then Intel makes the same/similar amount of money while enticing people with a platform that will allow them upgrade room even if they start with a 4c/8t cpu. 

[Cracklingice]

14 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I don't think many people would buy a 7740K at all. Anything else on the platform with more cores wouldn't cost that much more to buy over it (the entry level models that is), and with the 7700K's platform being cheaper-what is Intel smoking?

The 7740k may not be as popular as the next generation when the 8740k will likely be 6/12.  The 7740k will also likely see higher potential overclocks as it has more thermal headroom and the X299 platform will probably be able to provide more and cleaner power.  Personally I think it will be popular as you'll now be able to get the best available single core performance likely with more pcie lanes and quad channel memory.  If so, it will be the best option for a high end gaming system.  I mean think about it.  A high end gaming system right now is a 7700k, a consumer chip on a consumer chipset.  It makes no sense that a high end any system would not be on the high end desktop platform.

[Dabombinable]

16 minutes ago, Cracklingice said:

The 7740k may not be as popular as the next generation when the 8740k will likely be 6/12.  The 7740k will also likely see higher potential overclocks as it has more thermal headroom and the X299 platform will probably be able to provide more and cleaner power.  Personally I think it will be popular as you'll now be able to get the best available single core performance likely with more pcie lanes and quad channel memory.  If so, it will be the best option for a high end gaming system.  I mean think about it.  A high end gaming system right now is a 7700k, a consumer chip on a consumer chipset.  It makes no sense that a high end any system would not be on the high end desktop platform.

The power delivery though depends on which mootherboard gets chosen, and a lot of LGA1151 motherboards have a beefy VRM setup, far more than my old LGA775 boards which have taken my Xeon X5450 to 4.4GHz, with far more power consumption than any of Intel's modern uad cores (over double)

[WMGroomAK]

11 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

which mootherboard

I'm sorry as I know this is a typo, but I saw it and immediately thought Gateway... 

[MageTank]

1 hour ago, zMeul said:

you are not right

generation behind?! X99 was 1st, then 100 series so what are you talking about?

He meant architectural generation. 5th gen, 4th gen, etc. He's completely correct. 

[DrMikeNZ]

2 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

It's the same with i3/i5/i7.  Odd numbers starting with 3 for no apparent reason.

They were obviously chosen because they are a prime number of primes, evenly spaced by a prime.

[VanayadGaming]

2 hours ago, themctipers said:

7740k.. why that name...?

Kaby Lake - X is 7740k and 7760k(afaik this will be available as well). Skylake-X will be 7800k+

[Phate.exe]

2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

So is this literally just a binned 7700K on a different socket?

That's all I'm seeing.

[DrMikeNZ]

2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

So is this literally just a binned 7700K on a different socket?

If it has more PCIe lanes, then could make sense to someone.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, DrMikeNZ said:

If it has more PCIe lanes, then could make sense to someone.

But even then, 24 is plenty if you manage it right. 2 cards for SLI/Crossfire, an M.2 PCI-Express SSD, and a capture card would only take 21/24 lanes. 

[dizmo]

Am I the only one that sees this as kind of a pointless chip?

[RagnarokDel]

wait this is going to require a different socket then Kaby-Lake? bah.

[Cracklingice]

9 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

But even then, 24 is plenty if you manage it right. 2 cards for SLI/Crossfire, an M.2 PCI-Express SSD, and a capture card would only take 21/24 lanes. 

7700k is 16 lanes to the cpu.  1x16 or 2x8 or 1x8+2x4

 

Every other lane must go through the chipset that is 8 GT/s DMI3. I believe it's approximately the bandwith of 4 lanes pcie rev 3.

[Cracklingice]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Am I the only one that sees this as kind of a pointless chip?

 

Just now, RagnarokDel said:

wait this is going to require a different socket then Kaby-Lake? bah.

 

Everyone seems to miss the point that high end gaming systems can now be built on the high end desktop platform without sacrificing frame rate to slower clock speeds and lower ipc.

[RagnarokDel]

Just now, Cracklingice said:

 

 

Everyone seems to miss the point that high end gaming systems can now be built on the high end desktop platform without sacrificing frame rate to slower clock speeds and lower ipc.

why would I care?  If you dont get more PCIE lanes, it changes nothing. You're paying an extra $100 for a motherboard that doesnt give you much more by itself.

[Misanthrope]

3 hours ago, zMeul said:

if it's indeed 7740K, then it's Kaby-X

but 4 cores? must be the cheapest CPU on that platform

Likely cheaper than any 99 motherboard I've ever seen so right off the bat: if true it's retarded.

[Misanthrope]

4 minutes ago, Cracklingice said:

Everyone seems to miss the point that high end gaming systems can now be built on the high end desktop platform without sacrificing frame rate to slower clock speeds and lower ipc.

Nobody missed that point: they just bought 1151 and a 7700k instead and save a shitload on the motherboard which doesn't features lots of high end shit they don't need anyway.

[DrMikeNZ]

17 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

But even then, 24 is plenty if you manage it right. 2 cards for SLI/Crossfire, an M.2 PCI-Express SSD, and a capture card would only take 21/24 lanes. 

If you have the CPU with 4x GPU/compute cards in a workstation running GPU intenstive tasks, you don't need a tonne of CPU cores to feed those GPUs.

I don't expect this configuration to be considered for gaming, or even really need to warrant to tiny savings that one would get by going for a 4 core over a 6 core CPU in such a system.

[Cracklingice]

18 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

why would I care?  If you dont get more PCIE lanes, it changes nothing. You're paying an extra $100 for a motherboard that doesnt give you much more by itself.

We'll have to wait and see but my guess is that they will have 32 (possibly 40 since 6800k got the same lanes as the last gen) pcie lanes.  Enough for a true 16x16 crossfire and possibly 16+8x2 and 8x4

They will also likely have quad channel memory controllers.

[Ezio Auditore]

3 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

So is this literally just a binned 7700K on a different socket?

How can you bin a processor that has a different socket into another? 

My guess is that it is an 'improved' manufacturing process with more pcie lanes connected to the cpu(hence more number of pins? Dunno just a guess)

[FratStar]

So someone educate me one this. We will have Kaby Lake -X and Skylake-X but also Skylake-E?

Edited March 25, 2017 by FratStar
stupid error

[Cartoons Plural]

Why?