M.2 Heat sink/spreader

[Canadian.Goose]

Curious if anyone has any good luck with these and or has ordered some?

 

I have a few (42) precision laptops here with the samsung p951 SSD's in them. the m.2.

thermal throttling on them kicks in a lot and well they get slow as heck.

 

Dell has a small thermal pad on it but its crap.  I have not found anywhere that i can order a 14w thermal pad here in canada or the states. everyone i check is out of stock.

So i was thinking a copper shim or heat spreader. as there is basic airflow. plus if i add a copper shim. plus the crappy thermal pad it will touch the metal chassis of the laptop. my idea is that it will help with thermal transfer. thus limiting the throttling.

 

Anyone have any good suggestions on where to find some m.2 heatspreaders? i have not had much google luck.

 

[W-L]

13 minutes ago, Canadian.Goose said:

Curious if anyone has any good luck with these and or has ordered some?

 

I have a few (42) precision laptops here with the samsung p951 SSD's in them. the m.2.

thermal throttling on them kicks in a lot and well they get slow as heck.

 

Dell has a small thermal pad on it but its crap.  I have not found anywhere that i can order a 14w thermal pad here in canada or the states. everyone i check is out of stock.

So i was thinking a copper shim or heat spreader. as there is basic airflow. plus if i add a copper shim. plus the crappy thermal pad it will touch the metal chassis of the laptop. my idea is that it will help with thermal transfer. thus limiting the throttling.

 

Anyone have any good suggestions on where to find some m.2 heatspreaders? i have not had much google luck.

If you have enough clearance something like this works well, even adding a small shim of copper can help spread the heat out lessening the potential for thermal throttling.

https://www.moddiy.com/products/Premium-SM951-SM961-950PRO-XP9410-M.2-SSD-Cooling-Heatsink-(Black).html

[DnFx91]

10 minutes ago, W-L said:

If you have enough clearance something like this works well, even adding a small shim of copper can help spread the heat out lessening the potential for thermal throttling.

https://www.moddiy.com/products/Premium-SM951-SM961-950PRO-XP9410-M.2-SSD-Cooling-Heatsink-(Black).html

weird, i have the 7510's with the sm951's

never noticed throttling before. I also run a 951 in my personal laptop and i didnt even put the heatsink on it, it's held in with twist ties

[DnFx91]

27 minutes ago, Canadian.Goose said:

Curious if anyone has any good luck with these and or has ordered some?

 

I have a few (42) precision laptops here with the samsung p951 SSD's in them. the m.2.

thermal throttling on them kicks in a lot and well they get slow as heck.

 

Dell has a small thermal pad on it but its crap.  I have not found anywhere that i can order a 14w thermal pad here in canada or the states. everyone i check is out of stock.

So i was thinking a copper shim or heat spreader. as there is basic airflow. plus if i add a copper shim. plus the crappy thermal pad it will touch the metal chassis of the laptop. my idea is that it will help with thermal transfer. thus limiting the throttling.

 

Anyone have any good suggestions on where to find some m.2 heatspreaders? i have not had much google luck.

 

do you have 3000's 5000's or 7000's series precision ?

[mariushm]

For purely heat spreading, you could try something like this : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/PH3-101.6-38.1-0.21-1A/1168-2073-ND/4318321

 

They're 102 mm x 38.1 mm and 0.21mm thick and has a pressure sensitive adhesive , so you just press it on the chips and should stay stuck there. But again, since it's so thin, it's more or less a heat spreader, it's may decrease the temperature a bit simply by spreading the heat of all chips more uniformly over the whole surface.. but it's not meant to be treated as a heatsink.

Such spreaders are used on memory sticks and in wireless routers etc

 

You can get that material in larger size, for example 150mm x 150mm and same 0.21mm height (which should give you 10 separate heat spreaders of 75x30) for 16$  : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/PH3-150-150-0.21-1A/1168-1387-ND/3042216

 

Anyway, it's so thin you can cut it with some scissors to your size.. and without saying how much height you have in your laptops it's hard to suggest heatsinks.

 

Other suggestion 20mm x 20mm x 2mm tall ceramic , should be slightly better than the above at spreading heat, and dissipate a bit better (comes with adhesive tape preapplied) : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/XLI98C-20-2.15-P/1168-1969-ND/3974458

also 30mm x 30mm but may not include the adhesive tape : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/XL25-30-30-2/1168-1616-ND/3060815

 

 

 

Another low height heatsink ... 4mm tall , 300mm x 25.4mm for 8$ each, you can make 4 heatsinks out of one piece : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/advanced-thermal-solutions-inc/ATS-EXL66-300-R0/ATS2184-ND/5848392

 

 

[Canadian.Goose]

35 minutes ago, DnFx91 said:

do you have 3000's 5000's or 7000's series precision ?

we have the 5510 and 5520's

 

[Canadian.Goose]

36 minutes ago, DnFx91 said:

never noticed throttling before. I also run a 951 in my personal laptop and i didnt even put the heatsink on it, it's held in with twist ties

we only notice it on full IO operations such as a massive code scan. though with more and more security reviews of code this is now becoming common place on the dev systems. though most don't notice it. a few rock stars do.

[Canadian.Goose]

55 minutes ago, W-L said:

If you have enough clearance something like this works well, even adding a small shim of copper can help spread the heat out lessening the potential for thermal throttling.

 

i will order a few and see how it goes. Thanks.

[Canadian.Goose]

22 minutes ago, mariushm said:

For purely heat spreading, you could try something like this : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/PH3-101.6-38.1-0.21-1A/1168-2073-ND/4318321

 

They're 102 mm x 38.1 mm and 0.21mm thick and has a pressure sensitive adhesive , so you just press it on the chips and should stay stuck there. But again, since it's so thin, it's more or less a heat spreader, it's may decrease the temperature a bit simply by spreading the heat of all chips more uniformly over the whole surface.. but it's not meant to be treated as a heatsink.

Such spreaders are used on memory sticks and in wireless routers etc

 

You can get that material in larger size, for example 150mm x 150mm and same 0.21mm height (which should give you 10 separate heat spreaders of 75x30) for 16$  : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/PH3-150-150-0.21-1A/1168-1387-ND/3042216

 

Anyway, it's so thin you can cut it with some scissors to your size.. and without saying how much height you have in your laptops it's hard to suggest heatsinks.

 

Other suggestion 20mm x 20mm x 2mm tall ceramic , should be slightly better than the above at spreading heat, and dissipate a bit better (comes with adhesive tape preapplied) : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/XLI98C-20-2.15-P/1168-1969-ND/3974458

also 30mm x 30mm but may not include the adhesive tape : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/t-global-technology/XL25-30-30-2/1168-1616-ND/3060815

 

 

 

Another low height heatsink ... 4mm tall , 300mm x 25.4mm for 8$ each, you can make 4 heatsinks out of one piece : http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/advanced-thermal-solutions-inc/ATS-EXL66-300-R0/ATS2184-ND/5848392

 

 

the copper one seems pretty good plus we can easily cut that here with our tools.  Ceramic i have no experience with other than Cooking  .  though i have never used digikey. i will have to check them out some more. thanks for the links.

[mariushm]

They're a well known distributor of electronic components, everything they have is from reputable companies.

You may also want to check out Newark : http://canada.newark.com/natural-convection-heat-sinks

It's another good distributor, though keep in mind that at this company the images don't always match with the product (may be same image for the whole series, all dimensions of a heatsink etc). but if you filter the results based on your width, length and height an then if you find something you like, you click on the product and download the datasheet and there you have the exact dimensions. 

 

Another option you may have : depending on the design of the laptop, you may be able to glue some aluminum or copper foil on the laptop cover / lid / whatever and use some thermal conductive material / pads to shift some of the heat from the m.2 ssd to that foil.

The benefit of these is they often come in rolls or large sheets so you can cut the exact shape you want, and they also come in various thicknesses 

Here's some pads / tims :

newark  : http://canada.newark.com/thermally-conductive-materials or http://canada.newark.com/thermal-pads

digikey : http://canada.newark.com/thermal-pads

 

[Canadian.Goose]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

They're a well known distributor of electronic components, everything they have is from reputable companies.

You may also want to check out Newark : http://canada.newark.com/natural-convection-heat-sinks

It's another good distributor, though keep in mind that at this company the images don't always match with the product (may be same image for the whole series, all dimensions of a heatsink etc). but if you filter the results based on your width, length and height an then if you find something you like, you click on the product and download the datasheet and there you have the exact dimensions. 

 

Another option you may have : depending on the design of the laptop, you may be able to glue some aluminum or copper foil on the laptop cover / lid / whatever and use some thermal conductive material / pads to shift some of the heat from the m.2 ssd to that foil.

The benefit of these is they often come in rolls or large sheets so you can cut the exact shape you want, and they also come in various thicknesses 

Here's some pads / tims :

newark  : http://canada.newark.com/thermally-conductive-materials or http://canada.newark.com/thermal-pads

digikey : http://canada.newark.com/thermal-pads

 

oh nice newark also has the pads i was looking for.

I have measured the space available. i have 3.8 MM of space between the chassis and the ssd. So i am thinking a 1mm copper shim. then a 2mm thermal pad with at least 15W transfer.

 

going to try to prototype the process and test my speeds. also need to kick it into high gear incase it works too well and creates a crazy hotspot on the laptop chassis alone.