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Alright, the individual on the other forum just stated the output he got with 1080Ti.  It is inline with the Titan X (Pascal).

Only major issue was stock cooler held back the cards.

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1 hour ago, Nicnac said:

I'd use two gtx 1070s instead of a single 1080 on such a build

huh? Did you even look at the specs I listed?

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32 minutes ago, Ithanul said:

Alright, the individual on the other forum just stated the output he got with 1080Ti.  It is inline with the Titan X (Pascal).

Only major issue was stock cooler held back the cards.

ok so that would mean better cooling solution. What was his hard numbers, average and such?

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5 hours ago, Ithanul said:

Alright, the individual on the other forum just stated the output he got with 1080Ti.  It is inline with the Titan X (Pascal).

Only major issue was stock cooler held back the cards.

Not surprising considering folding seems to scale with gaming rather than compute, but great to have confirmation!  thanks :)

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7 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

huh? Did you even look at the specs I listed?

Sorry only read the first post

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7 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

ok so that would mean better cooling solution. What was his hard numbers, average and such?

No hard numbers yet.  Hope he submits some data points to the data base.

 

I won't have a 1080Ti myself until the AIB ones drop (since ref don't have dual-DVI).

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3 hours ago, Nicnac said:

Sorry only read the first post

Ok but just to point out that if I am going to purchase a case for $1200 or $3400 why would I slack on the gpu?

In terms of folding power the 1070 doesn't hold much to the 1080TI.

The point of this project is to garner the best Folding power for cost and a 1070 would not cut it in this venue.

I am glad you want to give input but I suggest re-reviewing the post I made and give suggests based on that.

 

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On March 23, 2017 at 0:54 AM, SansVarnic said:

Ok but just to point out that if I am going to purchase a case for $1200 or $3400 why would I slack on the gpu?

In terms of folding power the 1070 doesn't hold much to the 1080TI.

The point of this project is to garner the best Folding power for cost and a 1070 would not cut it in this venue.

I am glad you want to give input but I suggest re-reviewing the post I made and give suggests based on that.

 

I thought you were talking about 1080s, not 1080 tis Idk about the folding power of those but they are probably on par with the titan so in that case a 1080 ti is obviously the better choice. Last time I checked the database 1070s were outputting around 700k ppd and 1080s around 760k ppd. with such a small increase in ppd they are not worth it imo especially considering the price difference. With a 1080 ti you are in a totally different league though so that would definitely be the best choice. Again, thought you were talking about 1080s in the beginning, not 1080 tis

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7 hours ago, Nicnac said:

I thought you were talking about 1080s, not 1080 tis Idk about the folding power of those but they are probably on par with the titan so in that case a 1080 ti is obviously the better choice. Last time I checked the database 1070s were outputting around 700k ppd and 1080s around 760k ppd. with such a small increase in ppd they are not worth it imo especially considering the price difference. With a 1080 ti you are in a totally different league though so that would definitely be the best choice. Again, thought you were talking about 1080s in the beginning, not 1080 tis

No worries, originally I was going to use 1080's instead of 1080Ti's.

I did not consider the 1070 and it's PPD as I did not look to see what its folding potential is. Your comment did not make sense to me as I was not aware of this information. If you had made that point originally I would not have been confused.

Thanks for the info. :)  It is appreciated.

 

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I will keep in mind this info for other future mid tier builds.

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Last figures I saw were 1080s avg 850k PPD and 1070s avg 650k PPD. Based on UK pricing that puts them pretty well on a par in terms of value for money

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11 hours ago, Hughesy26 said:

Last figures I saw were 1080s avg 850k PPD and 1070s avg 650k PPD. Based on UK pricing that puts them pretty well on a par in terms of value for money

So far I have been seeing about 680k avg peaking to 730k on my one 1080 but maybe I need to tweek a few things ... have to till wait until after I move though before I can work on that.

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Sounds like a dodgy driver - I use 372.70 or 372.90. Anything newer will damage your PPD (including the driver windows 10 auto installs for you!). Or you could be running in a slower PCIE slot maybe?

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So any change to the plan with the announcement of the new Titan XP? (What did Linus say we calling this now, Titan XPP? xD)

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On 3/29/2017 at 10:59 AM, Hughesy26 said:

Sounds like a dodgy driver - I use 372.70 or 372.90. Anything newer will damage your PPD (including the driver windows 10 auto installs for you!). Or you could be running in a slower PCIE slot maybe?

Good point, I will look into that.

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So any change to the plan with the announcement of the new Titan XP? (What did Linus say we calling this now, Titan XPP? xD)

Well not yet, I spent last week moving into my new house so I have not been up on al the tech news so ididnt know the XP was announced. I will look it up.

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Just now, SansVarnic said:

Well not yet, I spent last week moving into my new house so I have not been up on al the tech news so ididnt know the XP was announced. I will look it up.

Yeah, I thought it was an April fool's joke at first, but it's real (Nvidia is really pulling an Ubisoft with these names... #justkeepdigging)

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

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2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Yeah, I thought it was an April fool's joke at first, but it's real (Nvidia is really pulling an Ubisoft with these names... #justkeepdigging)

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/

Holy Cow ... $1200.00, bit steep for the slots I will have available in this system. I will need some hard numbers before slapping down that amount of money.

Best better be worth while of a folder ... ha.

With this announcement I hope the Ti's drop in price... (one can hope hehe) most likely wont though.

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Just now, SansVarnic said:

Holy Cow ... $1200.00, bit steep for the slots I will have available in this system. I will need some hard numbers before slapping down that amount of money.

Best better be worth while of a folder ... ha.

With this announcement I hope the Ti's drop in price... (one can hope hehe) most likely wont though.

Yeah you'd definitely want to know the price is worth it, and I suspect it might not be, but we don't know yet.  Generally you want the best card you can get, as opposed to more weaker cards, but it is also important to consider the diminishing returns you will run into at the upper end of the spectrum.  When you do go to work it out, don't just look at total purchase cost vs performance; do a full lifetime cost calculation.  Figure out how many years you want to run this for, and how much your power costs.  With as many cards as you have, going for a couple years will be a hugely significant piece of the overall cost.

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2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Yeah you'd definitely want to know the price is worth it, and I suspect it might not be, but we don't know yet.  Generally you want the best card you can get, as opposed to more weaker cards, but it is also important to consider the diminishing returns you will run into at the upper end of the spectrum.  When you do go to work it out, don't just look at total purchase cost vs performance; do a full lifetime cost calculation.  Figure out how many years you want to run this for, and how much your power costs.  With as many cards as you have, going for a couple years will be a hugely significant piece of the overall cost.

Agreed on all points. The plan is to have achieve a life span of about 5-8 years, 10 if I can get away with it. I know that a rig running 24/7 will be difficult for such a long lifetime but I have confidence. A good cooling setup will be the key here. 

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Just now, SansVarnic said:

Agreed on all points. The plan is to have achieve a life span of about 5-8 years, 10 if I can get away with it. I know that a rig running 24/7 will be difficult for such a long lifetime but I have confidence. A good cooling setup will be the key here. 

Oh, that's longer than I thought.  I would be curious to see the result of a calculation comparing running this for the full 10 years, vs, selling it and building a new one 5 years in, in terms of total cost to total points earned over the 10 year span.  You might be surprised...

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Oh, that's longer than I thought.  I would be curious to see the result of a calculation comparing running this for the full 10 years, vs, selling it and building a new one 5 years in, in terms of total cost to total points earned over the 10 year span.  You might be surprised...

I'll have to sit down and do some math. Maybe when I have a little extra time I will post my findings, may take a few days to get it all together. I will have to take an educated guess on the ppd for the Ti and XP though.

Things to consider: initial cost of equipment, cost of electrical usage x 10 years and whatever else I am not thinking of. May have to break it down to dollar per million or so. With what I have at the moment in my current rig (1080): 700k avg daily x 365days x 10yrs x 4 (or 8) cards = 10,220,000,000 (20,440,000,000) ppd total. Now just need to figure my electric usage which I have no idea atm as I have not monitored that at all since I started using the card.

10+ trillion ppd over a 10 year span with 4 1080's sheesh. My mind is already spinning. I cant imagine the folding ppd possibility of an Xp card. O.o

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8 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

I'll have to sit down and do some math. Maybe when I have a little extra time I will post my findings, may take a few days to get it all together. I will have to take an educated guess on the ppd for the Ti and XP though.

Things to consider: initial cost of equipment, cost of electrical usage x 10 years and whatever else I am not thinking of. May have to break it down to dollar per million or so. With what I have at the moment in my current rig (1080): 700k avg daily x 365days x 10yrs x 4 (or 8) cards = 10,220,000,000 (20,440,000,000) ppd total. Now just need to figure my electric usage which I have no idea atm as I have not monitored that at all since I started using the card.

10+ trillion ppd over a 10 year span with 4 1080's sheesh. My mind is already spinning. I cant imagine the folding ppd possibility of an Xp card. O.o

Well, we can get a ball park figure using some common numbers.

 

Assume:

  • 175 W per card (x8 cards)
  • 90% efficient PSU
  • 12 cents per kWh
  • 24/7 for 10 years

(175 x 8 / 0.9) [W] x 8765.76 [h/y] x 0.12 [$/kWh] x 0.001 [kWh/Wh] x 10 [y] = $16362.75 in power

 

Now you see why I say not to get too hung up on the cost of the cards themselves.  Just the electricity to run it will be considerable as well ;)

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Well, we can get a ball park figure using some common numbers.

 

Assume:

  • 175 W per card (x8 cards)
  • 90% efficient PSU
  • 12 cents per kWh
  • 24/7 for 10 years

(175 x 8 / 0.9) [W] x 8765.76 [h/y] x 0.12 [$/kWh] x 0.001 [kWh/Wh] x 10 [y] = $16362.75 in power

 

Now you see why I say not to get too hung up on the cost of the cards themselves.  Just the electricity to run it will be considerable as well ;)

I will admit that even though the actual cost of electrical usage never really crossed my mind I knew getting into folding, electrical usage would part of the 'contribution' with folding. 

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On 11.4.2017 at 7:05 AM, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well, we can get a ball park figure using some common numbers.

 

Assume:

  • 175 W per card (x8 cards)
  • 90% efficient PSU
  • 12 cents per kWh
  • 24/7 for 10 years

(175 x 8 / 0.9) [W] x 8765.76 [h/y] x 0.12 [$/kWh] x 0.001 [kWh/Wh] x 10 [y] = $16362.75 in power

 

Now you see why I say not to get too hung up on the cost of the cards themselves.  Just the electricity to run it will be considerable as well ;)

Too bad a 1080ti actually uses more like 250watts. ;)  but damn, your electricity is cheap. I'm at like 21 Euro-cents for a kWh. 

For me that's the main point that keeps me away from such an idea. I'd be at roughly 3.5k € a year for electricity. The cost of the system is almost neglectable at that point. 

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9 hours ago, FloRolf said:

Too bad a 1080ti actually uses more like 250watts. ;)  but damn, your electricity is cheap. I'm at like 21 Euro-cents for a kWh. 

For me that's the main point that keeps me away from such an idea. I'd be at roughly 3.5k € a year for electricity. The cost of the system is almost neglectable at that point. 

well it's easy enough to swap in numbers for your situation into what I've got there :)

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This is a stretch, well quite the stretch but I came across this today and I am possibly considering adding it to my build project. I have not yet been able to fully figure out how to fit in as it is a different concept to what I am used to. If it is what it appears to be I can definitely save a lot of space and have plenty of slots to slowly upgrade the folding capacity over time in addition to the first server I build. This is the first system I have found that is designed specifically with a consumer GPU in mind instead of Tesla's and Quadro's.

 

http://www.onestopsystems.com/4u-compute-accelerator-geforce-gtx1080-gpus

This thing holds (I kid you not) 16 GPUs. :o

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Datasheet: http://www.onestopsystems.com/sites/default/files/pdf/454-4u_gtx1080.pdf

 

Supposedly if I read the data sheet correctly it either will be a stand alone machine or expands the current server setup to an additional 16 GPUs, I am leaning to the latter as it has on board IPMI &  SYSMON2 but no processor information is disclosed. I have made an inquire to the company that makes these and hopefully they will get back to me soon.

 

 

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This product might be something of interest that could be reviewed by LTT  @LinusTech @Slick? Just a thought.

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