MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 4k vs MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro 4k: Price vs performance

[Pendragon]

3 minutes ago, Dumbee said:

Portugal

LOL okay. I fucked up. You should check out. https://clevocenter.com/

 

It's a Clevo Prema Partner in Portugal. Prices are ALOT more reasonable too. 

[Dumbee]

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[Dumbee]

9 hours ago, Pendragon said:

There is none. You can't get one which doesn't have outstanding flaws due to thermodynamics. What you want doesn't exist. All thin and light laptops will be hot as shit and loud as shit and will run far worse than thicker laptops because it's TDP throttled (eg Razer Blade TDP throttles it 1060 so it doesn't get good performance). Razer is especialy bad because they shrunk their power adapter to a size where a) it doesn't have enough power to charge a fully functioning 1060 which is why they tdp throttle it b) it's too small and it's hot as hell and overheats (we're talking about the power adapter here). Not to mention 4k drains battery life like crazy. Same thing applies to a GS63VR which has a 4k. 

 

other models like the gs43vr look gaudy as fuck in my opinion. the gs63vr i recommend is the barebones model with no msi branding, but that only comes with a 1080p screen and it's HIGHLY not recommended to swap screens on a gs63vr because the screen is glued together and it's really easy to break the bezel if you try to swap it out. the standard gs63vr 4k screen which is a Samsung 156FL02-P01 (SDC424B) is pretty shit with luminance at 200 nits and constrat at 400:1. 

 

aorus x3 still insists on using the god awful 1800p sharp display SHP1401 LQ140Z1JW01 and still hasn't changed it. 

 

the best possible thin and light 1060 option i can think of is custom to all hell. 

http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-16s-1060-gs63vr-custom-built-gaming-laptop-pc.html

You grab this for a base model. Get the liquid metal and whatever upgrades you want. LM is required for lower acoustics and better temps. 

You buy http://www.panelook.com/LQ156D1JX01B_SHARP_15.6_LCM_overview_28139.html this exact display. This is one of Sharp's 15in 4k displays (they have variations), but this is by far the best 15in 4k display current on the market cept professional displays like my Zbook 15's dreamcolor, XPS15's custom display, and Macbook 15's unique aspect ratio custom display. Get it off ebay or something, make sure it's a reputable seller because there are fake displays.

You need to buy a replacement bezel because you will break the bezel cause it's bloody glued for the GS63VR from HID so you get the one without branding. And you replace the screen yourself.

Alternatively you can just call HID to see if they'll do a custom unit for you at a premium. 

 

That's what I would get myself if I was ever so in need of a light notebook. Which I don't because I prefer better cooled, proper business laptops like my Zbook15. 

do you know the color accuracy for that display? cus if it's 100% Adobe RGB  i'll buy it without a doubt

[Pendragon]

5 hours ago, Dumbee said:

do you know the color accuracy for that display? cus if it's 100% Adobe RGB  i'll buy it without a doubt

nothing on the market is even close. The XPS15 LQ156D1JX01 comes close at about 90% aRBG. Essentially all the best 1i5n 4k panels are from Sharp's LQ156D1 series but I'm not enough of a panel guy to know what the fuck is the difference between all of them. 

 

I just checked hwinfo on my Zbook's 4k and it's also a variation on the LQ156D1 but I can't for the life of me figure which one it is. Same thing for my partner's Precision 7510 I just asked him to check. So all of the professional displays use a variation of LQ156D1. Shows some obscure code that is like SHP1476 that makes no sense. 

 

http://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?keyword=LQ156D1

 

I'll just tell you what I know. 

LQ156D1JX01 is the XPS15's screen. Best 15in in the market by a mile. They claim 100% aRBG but it's more like anywhere from 90-100. 

LQ156D1JW02 is a pretty good screen with PWM at 10%. This screen is superior than the JW04 that is in circulation. 100% sRBG & 85% aRBG with better black levels and contrast than the one below

LQ156D1JW04 is the standard 4k screen in circulation right now. 100% sRBG & 60% aRBG.

Zbook and Precisions use another variation of these displays. No idea which one. Could be a JX01B or JX02 or a random special type cause wtf. But it's around the JW02's coverage but with lower contrast. 

 

Thing is, I have NO IDEA whether the XPS15 JX01 will fit on current laptops because it's fitted with adhesive and custom fittings on the XPS15. I know that the JW04 WILL fit the majority of current laptops because it's the standard layout of screws and pin locations. Same thing with JW02. It's PWM only occurs at 10% and at 1000hz so it's fine if your display isn't on min brightness all the time. 

[Dumbee]

8 hours ago, Pendragon said:

nothing on the market is even close. The XPS15 LQ156D1JX01 comes close at about 90% aRBG. Essentially all the best 1i5n 4k panels are from Sharp's LQ156D1 series but I'm not enough of a panel guy to know what the fuck is the difference between all of them. 

 

I just checked hwinfo on my Zbook's 4k and it's also a variation on the LQ156D1 but I can't for the life of me figure which one it is. Same thing for my partner's Precision 7510 I just asked him to check. So all of the professional displays use a variation of LQ156D1. Shows some obscure code that is like SHP1476 that makes no sense. 

 

http://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?keyword=LQ156D1

 

I'll just tell you what I know. 

LQ156D1JX01 is the XPS15's screen. Best 15in in the market by a mile. They claim 100% aRBG but it's more like anywhere from 90-100. 

LQ156D1JW02 is a pretty good screen with PWM at 10%. This screen is superior than the JW04 that is in circulation. 100% sRBG & 85% aRBG with better black levels and contrast than the one below

LQ156D1JW04 is the standard 4k screen in circulation right now. 100% sRBG & 60% aRBG.

Zbook and Precisions use another variation of these displays. No idea which one. Could be a JX01B or JX02 or a random special type cause wtf. But it's around the JW02's coverage but with lower contrast. 

 

Thing is, I have NO IDEA whether the XPS15 JX01 will fit on current laptops because it's fitted with adhesive and custom fittings on the XPS15. I know that the JW04 WILL fit the majority of current laptops because it's the standard layout of screws and pin locations. Same thing with JW02. It's PWM only occurs at 10% and at 1000hz so it's fine if your display isn't on min brightness all the time. 

thanks for the help, i'll try to check a laptop that uses the screen you linked and try to see reviews on that laptop's screen.

[Pendragon]

57 minutes ago, Dumbee said:

thanks for the help, i'll try to check a laptop that uses the screen you linked and try to see reviews on that laptop's screen.

or i can just link you it

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-W505-Clevo-P751ZM-Notebook-Review.147149.0.html

[Dumbee]

Just now, Pendragon said:

or i can just link you it

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-W505-Clevo-P751ZM-Notebook-Review.147149.0.html

thanks  ur the best

[Dumbee]

3 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

or i can just link you it

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-W505-Clevo-P751ZM-Notebook-Review.147149.0.html

that one has the LQ156D1JW04, and from what i've seen, the LQ156D1JW02 has better aRGB coverage (the panelook's website says 100% but for me 90%+ is good enough)

[Pendragon]

Just now, Dumbee said:

that one has the LQ156D1JW04, and from what i've seen, the LQ156D1JW02 has better aRGB coverage (the panelook's website says 100% but for me 90%+ is good enough)

 

Oh you should NOT use panelook. Use notebookcheck independent reviews. Panelook posts manufacturers listed specs which are sometimes wrong or outright lying. 

 

And yea, I mentioned the JW02 has better coverage but PWM at below 10%. It's a good display. Nothing wrong with it. I just personally can't handle PWM. My eyes are really sensitive and I often use my laptop at min brightness so that will kill me. 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-V15-Nitro-BE-VN7-592G-79DV-Notebook-Review.161265.0.html

^ this is the panel

 

the thing is there's more to a display and just it's size. the mounting holes have to be compatible. the size has to be compatible. pins have to be compatible. bios needs to be able to recognize it. If you have the option to buy a JW02 panel and try and see if it fits, then definitely go for it. I know the JW04 panel fits for sure which is why I recommend it. And this isn't really a hardcore panel/laptop forum. there are guys who should know far more about this on places like Notebookreview that you should quickly ask as well. I just tell you the information I know. 

[Dumbee]

Just now, Pendragon said:

Oh you should NOT use panelook. Use notebookcheck independent reviews. Panelook posts manufacturers listed specs which are sometimes wrong or outright lying. 

 

And yea, I mentioned the JW02 has better coverage but PWM at below 10%. It's a good display. Nothing wrong with it. I just personally can't handle PWM. My eyes are really sensitive and I often use my laptop at min brightness so that will kill me. 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-V15-Nitro-BE-VN7-592G-79DV-Notebook-Review.161265.0.html

^ this is the panel

 

the thing is there's more to a display and just it's size. the mounting holes have to be compatible. the size has to be compatible. pins have to be compatible. bios needs to be able to recognize it. If you have the option to buy a JW02 panel and try and see if it fits, then definitely go for it. I know the JW04 panel fits for sure which is why I recommend it. And this isn't really a hardcore panel/laptop forum. there are guys who should know far more about this on places like Notebookreview that you should quickly ask as well. I just tell you the information I know. 

my current screen has bad PWM too and I've been using this laptop for 2 years and never had any eye problem because of it. I might create a thread asking if the screen would fit in the MSI GS63VR, and, if it doesn't work work, I'll buy the JW04 instead. thanks for the help man, really apreciate it

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, Dumbee said:

my current screen has bad PWM too and I've been using this laptop for 2 years and never had any eye problem because of it. I might create a thread asking if the screen would fit in the MSI GS63VR, and, if it doesn't work work, I'll buy the JW04 instead. thanks for the help man, really apreciate it

 

I forgot to mention. You need to acquire a 40 pin eDP cable for the screen. Most 1080p screens are 30pin. Most 4k screens are 40pin. The cable is to attach the motherboard to the display. Those things are dirt cheap. Yea, replacing screens aren't the easiest thing LOL. 15in is especially annoying because there are so many choices whereas 17in is just 1. 

[Dumbee]

Just now, Pendragon said:

I forgot to mention. You need to acquire a 40 pin eDP cable for the screen. Most 1080p screens are 30pin. Most 4k screens are 40pin. The cable is to attach the motherboard to the display. Those things are dirt cheap. Yea, replacing screens aren't the easiest thing LOL. 15in is especially annoying because there are so many choices whereas 17in is just 1. 

I don't think I need the cable since the MSI GS63VR already has a 4k screen (and a 40pin eDP cable supposedly), I just want to put a better one in it

[edit1754]

LQ156D1JW31 is the XPS screen. Not sure why Notebookcheck lists the JX01.  The JX01 is the original from the Toshiba P50t.

 

Also if you're going to attempt to swap one into the MSI GS63VR, be aware most of the Sharp display seem to use different mounting, and some use a narrower-pitch 40pin connector. Check those details before picking and buying a LCD.

[Pendragon]

8 minutes ago, edit1754 said:

LQ156D1JW31

oh shit wtf LOL. i actually hate this entire series. is a bitch to navigate through. and yes alot of the sharp displays have weird mounting cept jw04. it's the only one i know for sure works. everything else is up in the air. 

[Pendragon]

6 hours ago, Dumbee said:

I don't think I need the cable since the MSI GS63VR already has a 4k screen (and a 40pin eDP cable supposedly), I just want to put a better one in it

you should probably go through this entire thread. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs63vr-display-panel.795305/page-3

[Dumbee]

Just now, Pendragon said:

you should probably go through this entire thread. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs63vr-display-panel.795305/page-3

hahahahaha, i'm in there right now, found it like 10 minutes ago, according to that guy, the Dell XPS 15's screen has holes on left and right rather than top and bottom like MSI but he said it works so I think I can make it work too

[Dumbee]

2 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

you should probably go through this entire thread. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs63vr-display-panel.795305/page-3

btw do you think that with a hair dryer and a bunch of pacience I can take out the MSI bezel without breaking it and having to buy a new one?