AMD plans a Zen HEDT platform to combat X99?!

[MoonSpot]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

Well this is just weird, isn't Ryzen 7 already targeted at HEDT? Most of the marketing was comparing it to a 6900K.... Other than PCIe lanes which is a big reason I wont buy it Ryzen 7 is HEDT.

 

If this news is true and not just getting confused with one of the planned server platforms then at least it will solve the PCIe lane issue for me. Also unless the base clocks are significantly lower than the Ryzen 7 offerings it'll be just fine for gaming, some of the people that run dual GPUs and other cards like 10Gb NICs actually appreciate the HEDT platforms and buy them for gaming with sound reasoning behind it.

It doesn't make much sense at all.   I'd like to say you're on point with this being confused with Naples; but the source is just a post in a thread on another website that this article is based on.  No other source(s) or confirmations made.  I'm more inclined to believe that it's cooked up BS trying to sell people on a pipe dream. 

We are talking about AMD here after all, there are limits to what a person can hope to expect, especially in that kind of time-frame.

[leadeater]

34 minutes ago, MoonSpot said:

It doesn't make much sense at all.   I'd like to say you're on point with this being confused with Naples; but the source is just a post in a thread on another website that this article is based on.  No other source(s) or confirmations made.  I'm more inclined to believe that it's cooked up BS trying to sell people on a pipe dream. 

We are talking about AMD here after all, there are limits to what a person can hope to expect, especially in that kind of time-frame.

One of the reasons I think the original poster on chiphell is confused over what they were hearing is that AMD already plans a 16 core server chip under the code name Snowy Owl and every spec mentioned thus far of this rumored CPU matches exactly to what Snowy Owl is, down to the release time frame.

 

Snowy Owl:

• 16 cores/32 threads
• Quad Channel memory
• 64 PCIe Lanes
• Expected release date 2H 2017

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The Snowy Owl with 16 cores uses a SP4 Multi Chip Module (MCM) BGA socket, while the Naples uses MCM based SP3. These two are not pin compatible but 16 and 8 core Zen based Opterons will fit in the same socket.

Snowy Owl has four independent memory channels and up to 64 lanes of PCIe Gen3. When it comes to storage, it supports up to 16 SATA or NVME storage channels and 8x10GbE for some super-fast networking solutions

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/processors/41088-16-zen-core-opteron-is-snowy-ow

 

Other supporting sources:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54194/amds-next-gen-horned-owl-apu-arrives-2017/index.html

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/leaked-roadmap-shows-bird-names-for-amd-apus,2.html

 

So yea it's either someone is purposefully spreading false information or just doesn't know what they were looking at.

[TheRandomness]

5 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

*LGA775*
Conroe and Wolfdale. 2x dual core dies in the 1 package....and some with a 10^oC delta between the die.

I actually have my X5450 with a 10 C difference between the dies  Is it soldered?

[Mr.Meerkat]

10 hours ago, zMeul said:

who buys X99 for gaming has seriously to much money than brains

I would disagree, my 5820K setup costed less than a i7 6700K would have  

It was a no brainer when my Z77 sabertooth became completely and utterly dead...

[Dabombinable]

2 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

I actually have my X5450 with a 10 C difference between the dies  Is it soldered?

Yep. And for me its the QX6850 that has the problem, not my X5450 (that thing is balling at 4GHz)

[Crossbred]

13 hours ago, zMeul said:

who buys X99 for gaming has seriously to much money than brains

I did. I run temporary servers at LAN parties on my beast. I will be switching to ryzen 5 so I can take my beast outside my home. And for better thermals.

[Godlygamer23]

14 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

ryzen is a beast 

I didn't get that interpretation from the linked video. Sure it's fairly fast in gaming, but it is not a beast at gaming. Other tasks, yes. 

[The Sloth]

52 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

I didn't get that interpretation from the linked video. Sure it's fairly fast in gaming, but it is not a beast at gaming. Other tasks, yes. 

 

 

i was talking about all the hate thread and gaming nexus "proving" that ryzen is similar to an i5 4gh gen in gaming. 

[TheRandomness]

2 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Yep. And for me its the QX6850 that has the problem, not my X5450 (that thing is balling at 4GHz)

Well.. time to bring out the blowtorch

[Taf the Ghost]

I was thinking about it today, and I think the X399 might not have been on the AMD roadmaps because they simply didn't want to discuss it when they weren't sure what the yields, supply and popularity of the Server chips were going to be.  Since they're stuck with GloFo's output, they might have been concerned they were creating a situation where they'd have a HEDT platform and pretty much no Chips for it.  Why waste time, resources & marketing on something that you can't even provide?

 

However, if the runs of Naples chips have been coming out good enough, then converting their Server platform into a niche ATX-factor board isn't the hardest engineering task in the world.  One of the top AMD guys already said they went with 24 PCIe lanes because that's all that 98% of the home desktop market actually uses.  There is thus a fairly small niche for the platform, but, if the yields & supply are there, your motherboard team should have the space to make that platform since the other ones were already complete a bit ago.

[Dabombinable]

5 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

Well.. time to bring out the blowtorch

BTW, I found out that LGA775 was soldered in the process of trying to delid a Pentium 4 630

[TOMPPIX]

https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=google+google+compute+engine

[Clanscorpia]

On 3/18/2017 at 8:50 PM, techstorm970 said:

You can certainly play games on Ryzen 7 and X99 CPUs, but no, these processors are not meant for gaming in particular.  This is why so many people have been joking about Ryzen 7 getting beat up so bad for not beating the 7700k in games...

 

Yes, they're priced similarly, but that doesn't mean they're part of the same market.  Stop comparing an SUV to a pickup truck!

 

There are many people out there that play games on Broadwell-E and Ryzen 7 and what not, but most of these people mainly bought these processors for their workstation performance.  Buying a workstation processor just for playing games is a bad idea.

You would be very surprised with the amount of people who bought 1700s for gaming./Just/ for gaming

[alexyy]

On 19/03/2017 at 0:25 AM, zMeul said:

who buys X99 for gaming has seriously to much money than brains

Last year in the UK at least you could pick a 5820k up for £260 and a X99 board for £170, The 4790k/6700k at the time was like £329 So I went X99 but I don't always game so theirs that.

[JediFragger]

22 minutes ago, alexyy said:

Last year in the UK at least you could pick a 5820k up for £260 and a X99 board for £170, The 4790k/6700k at the time was like £329 So I went X99 but I don't always game so theirs that.

I picked up a 5930k (runs at 4.6 np) / Asus X99-A / 16GB Corsair DDR4 2666Mhz 18 months ago second-hand for the princely sum of £460!! I'm still chuffed to this day, a bloody good deal!

 

I'll certainly be interested in what Zen+ brings, but am fine for the next couple of years at least

[porina]

52 minutes ago, alexyy said:

Last year in the UK at least you could pick a 5820k up for £260 and a X99 board for £170, The 4790k/6700k at the time was like £329 So I went X99 but I don't always game so theirs that.

Since the time I built my current main system around August 2015, I've never seen the UK price of 5820k from a major supplier drop below 6700k. For a long time, they were practically the same around £300 for 6700k, £320 for 5820k, but you still had the higher cost of an X99 mobo relative to Z170. I kinda wonder where I'd be now had I gone the 5820k route...

 

For me, the biggest thing limiting R7 from counting as HEDT isn't so much the PCIe lanes but simply the very weak memory system. It deserves 4 channels, especially with the current poor ability to run at higher ram speeds.

[alexyy]

35 minutes ago, porina said:

Since the time I built my current main system around August 2015, I've never seen the UK price of 5820k from a major supplier drop below 6700k. For a long time, they were practically the same around £300 for 6700k, £320 for 5820k, but you still had the higher cost of an X99 mobo relative to Z170. I kinda wonder where I'd be now had I gone the 5820k route...

 

For me, the biggest thing limiting R7 from counting as HEDT isn't so much the PCIe lanes but simply the very weak memory system. It deserves 4 channels, especially with the current poor ability to run at higher ram speeds.

 

Well, wasn't really major some Seller on ebay was selling massive amounts of OEM units for £269.99 or something, I'll find my order receipt when get in but I'm pretty certain Scan had them as low as £289 for a small amount of time.

[zMeul]

more info: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/AMD-Ryzen-Spekulationen-um-High-End-Plattform-mit-16-Kernen-und-vier-Speicherkanaelen-3660131.html

unnamed source has confirmed to Heise.DE that AMD is working on a HEDT platform

 

also, the new socket will be a variation of SP3 (LGA 4094 Naples), SP3r2

[Aereto_Compuru]

On 3/20/2017 at 0:27 PM, Clanscorpia said:

You would be very surprised with the amount of people who bought 1700s for gaming./Just/ for gaming

I would find use of them in production/server-like hybrid roles. I can make and play games with that... or game virtualized while someone else is using another virtualized OS.

 

Unfortunately, I already built a PC since November/December to take up a balanced hybrid role.

[Clanscorpia]

46 minutes ago, Aereto_Compuru said:

I would find use of them in production/server-like hybrid roles. I can make and play games with that... or game virtualized while someone else is using another virtualized OS.

 

Unfortunately, I already built a PC since November/December to take up a balanced hybrid role.

Most people arent using them for that sort of gaming

[zMeul]

https://videocardz.com/67594/rumor-amd-x390-and-x399-chipsets-diagrams-leaked

leaked block diagram of the dual-CPU Naples platform:

NUMA ception 

I'm feeling it will be a shit-show yet again

 

and the block diagram for the HEDT platform:

[Tomsen]

5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

leaked block diagram of the platform:

NUMA ception 

I'm feeling it will be a shit-show yet again

Could you perhaps at least clarify with a description longer than 2 words why you have a feeling it will be a shit-show again.

Maybe some thoughts behind your comments will make people understand the message you are trying to spread.

 

Or you can continue in your classic "zmuel"-mode, where no one truly understand your reasoning.

[zMeul]

14 minutes ago, Tomsen said:

Or you can continue in your classic "zmuel"-mode, where no one truly understand your reasoning.

you can't even write my nickname right and you want me to explain technical stuff to you in way you may understand?!?!

mate ...

Edited March 24, 2017 by zMeul

[Tomsen]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

you can't even write my NIC right and you want me to explain technical stuff to you in way you may understand?!?!

mate ...

I can't what? What do you mean with NIC? Could you at least spell it out once before shortening it? Or are your incomprehensible enough that you are talking about your network interface controller?

 

If only you could write something that at least someone else (except yourself of course) could understand, that would be a huge step up.

Funny how you still avoid going into details when asked. Why is that? 

[NumLock21]