FMA3 bug discovered in (Ry)Zen

[The Sloth]

 

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

looks like it doesn't want to, there's a new wave each week 

you are the one that starts a new circle jerk every week

[zMeul]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

you are the one that starts a new circle jerk every week

yeah sure .. except I'm not fabricating evidence, am I

everything I post is sourced - speaking of AdoredTV 

[The Sloth]

Just now, zMeul said:

yeah sure .. except I'm not fabricating evidence, am I

everything I post is sourced - speaking of AdoredTV 

 

please provide evidence, you really can't expect people to believe such a big accusation without evidence. 

[zMeul]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

please provide evidence, you really can't expect people to believe such a big accusation without evidence. 

as I said, google it! I'm not posting links to that shit

[The Sloth]

Just now, zMeul said:

as I said, google it! I'm not posting links to that shit

i did not find anything, you are shit posting by definition. 

[zMeul]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

i did not find anything, you are shit posting by definition. 

yeah yeah .. like low res benchmarks are worthless  when comparing CPUs nonetheless 

[The Sloth]

Just now, zMeul said:

yeah yeah .. like low res benchmarks are worthless  when comparing CPUs nonetheless 

to a point yes, but gaming nexus said that a rx480 4gb is less powerful than a buffed, overhyped up 1050ti knows as 1060 3gb. your point?

[Techstorm970]

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

switch is awesome, i love the new legend of zelda game. bit biased here but it's the best game i played in few years.

What does this have to do with my meme?  

[zMeul]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

to a point yes, but gaming nexus said that a rx480 4gb is less powerful than a buffed, overhyped up 1050ti knows as 1060 3gb. your point?

dunno what GamersNexus said, the point at hand was the shit that AdoredTV is

[The Sloth]

Just now, techstorm970 said:

What does this have to do with my meme?  

...on the train the original meme is for the Nintendo nx/switch, come on you can't rip off a meme without knowing the origin.   

[MageTank]

44 minutes ago, zMeul said:

@leadeaterregarding this: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/746289-amd-responds-to-1080p-gaming-tests-on-ryzen-supports-ecc-ram-win-10-smt-bug/?do=findComment&comment=9457973

I remember what bug was about, it was about TSX implementation bug discovered in Haswell and Broadwell - Intel had to disable the set in the 1st two generations of Haswell and 1st generation of Broadwell

 

TSX is also still very janky on Skylake. They've released several microcode updates related to TSX errata, and I still can't tell if they've got it right, lol.

 

 

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/desktop-6th-gen-core-family-spec-update.pdf

 

Specific microcode updates that address TSX on Skylake are 0x9d and 0x9e. 

[AlwaysFSX]

38 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Wow, Ryzen has sure had a rocky launch... one thing after another.  Seems new problems are cropping up faster than they can fix the ones we already knew about  

It's almost like AMD cuts corners.

[Dylanc1500]

My bigger concern is if this is a problem within the architecture itself. If it is then they will have a harder time in the server market with Naples.

[The Sloth]

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

It's almost like AMD cuts corners.

its almost like they are selling a 1k cpu for 329 usd or 500 usd for 1800x right?

[zMeul]

@nerdslayer1 still relevant 1y later:

 

[Techstorm970]

7 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

...on the train the original meme is for the Nintendo nx/switch, come on you can't rip off a meme without knowing the origin.   

Oh.  I literally just looked up "hype train meme" on Google one day and found the original, and then edited it today to fit the situation.  

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, nerdslayer1 said:

its almost like they are selling a 1k cpu for 329 usd or 500 usd for 1800x right?

Just because Intel prices a CPU at $1000, doesn't automatically make AMD's worth $1000. Where in the world is that logic coming from? lol...

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

its almost like they are selling a 1k cpu for 329 usd or 500 usd for 1800x right?

Well if they've cut out ~50% of the hardware to work correctly nooooooot really, they are not.

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Just because Intel prices a CPU at $1000, doesn't automatically make AMD's worth $1000. Where in the world is that logic coming from? lol...

But muh Handbrake encode time!

[The Sloth]

7 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Just because Intel prices a CPU at $1000, doesn't automatically make AMD's worth $1000. Where in the world is that logic coming from? lol...

 

 

that's the point i am trying to make, you guys are over expecting from ryzen, it had shitty marketing with fanboy hype train all over it.

in pure performance 1800x or 1700 overclocked matcher 6900k in creative work, it only falls short in gaming because of lack in optimization. in time it should match the 6900k in most ways in terms of performance at least hope but you are missing the point, ryzen is a budget cpu for people who needs lots of core and power, comparing 1700x to ryzen in creative work and laughing at how bad a 7700k is with only 4 core and 8 thread is stupid. for gaming 7700k for creative work, multitasking and light gaming ryzen. 

 

 

[MageTank]

6 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

that's the point i am trying to make, you guys are over expecting from ryzen, it had shitty marketing with fanboy hype train all over it.

in pure performance 1800x or 1700 overclocked matcher 6900k in creative work, it only falls short in gaming because of lack in optimization. in time it should match the 6900k in most ways in terms of performance at least hope but you are missing the point, ryzen is a budget card for people who needs lots of core and power, comparing 1700x to ryzen in creative work and laughing at how bad a 7700k is with only 4 core and 8 thread is stupid. for gaming 7700k for creative work, multitasking and light gaming ryzen. 

 

 

I'm not over-expecting at all. I've repeatedly called Ryzen exactly what it is. A lifting CPU on a budget, that just so happens to game decently. The ONLY thing Ryzen has going for it over Intel, is it's price. That's it. I am not aware of any ground-breaking features that sets it apart from Intel, but I also didn't expect anything more either. My expect expectations were Haswell IPC with more threads, for decent price. They delivered exactly that, so my expectations were met on that front. I also expected the IMC to be worse compared to Intel's, but just not as bad as what we got. Sometimes, I hate being right.

 

Either way, the way you worded your post, made it sound as if the Ryzen CPU is worth $1000, or is as good as Intel's $1000 offering. To the "worth" argument, I can only say that things are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them. Worth is subjective after all. As for it being as good as Intel's $1000 offerings, that's simply not true. While it may match them in specific workloads, it cannot match them in every workload. It's certainly not better either. AMD priced the hardware exactly where they needed to in order to even stand a remote chance at being competitive. Had they just released the 1800x for $500, and not released the 1700 or 1700x, then people would still find it a bitter pill to swallow, as you can get cheapo ES Xeons that lift just as hard for less. 

 

The 1700 is the only real chip from Ryzen in my eyes. It clocks the same as the others, it's decent at gaming, and is great for more demanding workloads. The only reason it's good though, is it's price. Let's never forget that. 

[The Sloth]

5 minutes ago, MageTank said:

I'm not over-expecting at all. I've repeatedly called Ryzen exactly what it is. A lifting CPU on a budget, that just so happens to game decently. The ONLY thing Ryzen has going for it over Intel, is it's price. That's it. I am not aware of any ground-breaking features that sets it apart from Intel, but I also didn't expect anything more either. My expect expectations were Haswell IPC with more threads, for decent price. They delivered exactly that, so my expectations were met on that front. I also expected the IMC to be worse compared to Intel's, but just not as bad as what we got. Sometimes, I hate being right.

 

Either way, the way you worded your post, made it sound as if the Ryzen CPU is worth $1000, or is as good as Intel's $1000 offering. To the "worth" argument, I can only say that things are worth exactly what people are willing to pay for them. Worth is subjective after all. As for it being as good as Intel's $1000 offerings, that's simply not true. While it may match them in specific workloads, it cannot match them in every workload. It's certainly not better either. AMD priced the hardware exactly where they needed to in order to even stand a remote chance of being competitive. Had they just released the 1800x for $500, and not released the 1700 or 1700x, then people would still find it a bitter pill to swallow, as you can get cheapo ES Xeons that lift just as hard for less. 

 

The 1700 is the only real chip from Ryzen in my eyes. It clocks the same as the others, it's decent at gaming, and is great for more demanding workloads. The only reason it's good though, is it's price. Let's never forget that. 

 

not bad for the price 

[MageTank]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

not bad for the price 

I feel like I've said this to you several times now, lol. Also, Geekbench. I am getting some serious deja vu. 

[Princess Luna]

27 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

switch is awesome, i love the new legend of zelda game. bit biased here but it's the best game i played in few years.

You did play The Witcher 3 didn't you?

[The Sloth]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

You did Play The Witcher 3 didn't you?

liked Skyrim better and like Zelda better than both, you really can't play witcher 3 on handheld also the story was meh for me. graphic is nice but not everything in a game.