Gaming CPU for Competitive CSGO

[He_162]

30% is the number for the worst game Ryzen has performed in, in some games Ryzen outperforms Intel.

 

Updates that have come out, and AMD recommended optimizations have reduced that to around 5 - 10% worse performance, which isn't noticeable, either way, CS:GO would run REALLY well on either the R7 1700, or the i7-7700K, but the total cost of a R7 1700 PC vs the i7-7700K would be around 40$ cheaper.

 

Intel:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MZmBP

 

Ryzen:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfHF3F

[App4that]

16 minutes ago, He_162 said:

30% is the number for the worst game Ryzen has performed in, in some games Ryzen outperforms Intel.

 

Updates that have come out, and AMD recommended optimizations have reduced that to around 5 - 10% worse performance, which isn't noticeable, either way, CS:GO would run REALLY well on either the R7 1700, or the i7-7700K, but the total cost of a R7 1700 PC vs the i7-7700K would be around 40$ cheaper.

 

Intel:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MZmBP

 

Ryzen:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfHF3F

You're using a more expensive motherboard on the 7700k side, with more features. That B350 board won't support crossfire if they choose to ad a second 480. 

 

 

[Morgan MLGman]

10 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

AMD already suffered badly as a result of the type of speculation you're doing and I think it's unfair for folks to continue doing it.  Now everyone is speculating that lower core count Ryzen chips will benefit from higher clock speeds, improved optimization, and who knows what else?  At the end of the day, it's just continued speculation.

 

I think Ryzen is a great chip for what it was targeted for.  I'm just not trying to make it something it ain't.  

It's not speculation, it's a logical deduction. Though answer this: How is that a "speculation" if Intel already has been doing exactly the same thing for a few years now? That their highest-end chips with high core count such as the 5960X are clocked significantly lower than their quad core counterparts? (4790K, both exactly the same architecture) This is tied to many things such as excessive heat that more cores on a small die can generate, thus lower clock speeds and limited overclocking, why would you assume that it's gonna be different with Ryzen?

 

As for optimizations: again, why a "speculation"? AMD said themselves that they've got around 300 developers already working on Ryzen optimizations and the number will increase to a 1000 by the end of 2017, they also confirmed that a microcode update and windows 10 drivers fixing power management issues and the high-speed ram issue will roll out within a month or so, R3 and R5 release Q2 2017 so it's only logical to deduce all of the above. 

Here's some very interesting info about the architecture (its Cache structure and CCX complexity) and whether the issues shown there can be fixed:

https://www.techpowerup.com/231268/amds-ryzen-cache-analyzed-improvements-improveable-ccx-compromises

 

P.S. The CPU name confusion was due to many sources confusing the names of those chips because they're exactly the same with two identical numbers that have their places switched, go blame Intel for that

BTW, here's why the confusion occured: https://www.techpowerup.com/231265/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cracks-cinebench-r15-world-record-at-5-36-ghz

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AMD Ryzen 7-1800X scored a Cinebench R15 world record, surpassing even the fastest overclocked Core i7-6950X 10-core processor based bench, in the multi-threaded benchmark.

[Lolcrokn]

20 hours ago, Imakuni said:

We'll talk about R3-5 once they're actually here. But at any rate, it doesn't matter: if the guy has the money for a 7700 setup, then I bet he's not going to skimp on a humble R5.

I know i'm responding a tad bit late, but my point is - He needs no more than 7600k - the I5 , and if Ryzen doesn't make a competitor for that type of CPU, "gaming cpu" im going to be heavily dissapointed. Also he said he is buying in 3-6 months, that's the period when R5 and R3 are definetely going to be out and probably properly optimized unlike now 

[Rmlk2ei]

So I guess from most of the responses here (thanks everyone) that if I have the money to choose right now between a i7-7700k and a 1800x then the obvious choice would be the i7-7700k.

 

With less of a budget right now, I guess I'm looking towards an i5-7600k or i5-6600k?

 

Since my time frame is 3-6 months from now, probably waiting and then taking a closer look at the R5 and R3 should allow me to make a better upgrade decision no?

[Lolcrokn]

I fully agree 

1 minute ago, SlayerL0rd said:

So I guess from most of the responses here (thanks everyone) that if I have the money to choose right now between a i7-7700k and a 1800x then the obvious choice would be the i7-7700k.

 

With less of a budget right now, I guess I'm looking towards an i5-7600k or i5-6600k?

 

Since my time frame is 3-6 months from now, probably waiting and then taking a closer look at the R5 and R3 should allow me to make a better upgrade decision no?

 

[Morgan MLGman]

4 minutes ago, SlayerL0rd said:

So I guess from most of the responses here (thanks everyone) that if I have the money to choose right now between a i7-7700k and a 1800x then the obvious choice would be the i7-7700k.

 

With less of a budget right now, I guess I'm looking towards an i5-7600k or i5-6600k?

 

Since my time frame is 3-6 months from now, probably waiting and then taking a closer look at the R5 and R3 should allow me to make a better upgrade decision no?

This^ Yeah, pretty much. Those seem very promising and will be MUCH cheaper than the i7.

[Imakuni]

47 minutes ago, SlayerL0rd said:

With less of a budget right now, I guess I'm looking towards an i5-7600k or i5-6600k?

If you have the money for a 7600k + Z270 mobo and a cooler, then you might as well get an i7 7700 non k with H110 mobo and use the stock heatsink. Same price, more performance.

 

Nvm, I forgot you were focusing on single thread for competitive CSGO. Not that it matters, you'll get 144fps anyway, but...

[PCGuy_5960]

18 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I obviously meant the 5960X Brain-lag

But the 5960X is faster when it is OCed....

[Morgan MLGman]

50 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

But the 5960X is faster when it is OCed....

Well, not in Cinebench considering its previous world record @6,044GHz was beaten by a 1800X @5,15GHz

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, not in Cinebench considering its previous world record @6,044GHz was beaten by a 1800X @5,15GHz

5.25GHz And most people don't cool their CPUs with LN2

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

5.25GHz And most people don't cool their CPUs with LN2

http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-hits-52-ghz-breaks-benchmarking-record/

 

No, I specifically meant the first record broken, 1800X beat the 5960X despite being clocked over 800MHz lower.

 

And well, yeah LN2 isn't used too commonly  but to set the first record the 5960X also had to be cooled by LN2 or something similar 

[App4that]

How did this move from CSGO, to Cinebench?

 

You rush A in Cinebench, skrubs...

[Nena Trinity]

On 7.3.2017 at 0:09 PM, Droidbot said:

CSGO takes advantage of the first 3 cores in your system. 

When you consider that the Ryzen has 8 slower cores vs the i7 with 4 faster ones, the i7 is better hands down. 

The faster single-core performance leads to very good performance in CS, especially when combined with a good board and pushed to 4.7-5Ghz with an OC. 

 

Ryzen is meant to compete with the HEDT architecture, not the mainstream one. The mainstream still wins for single-core performance. 

But both CPUs will give him over 200fps anyway! o3o

[He_162]

On 3/7/2017 at 6:42 PM, App4that said:

You're using a more expensive motherboard on the 7700k side, with more features. That B350 board won't support crossfire if they choose to ad a second 480. 

 

 

They are the cheapest boards that allow overclocking available for both systems, making it the cheapest possible build at the time of writing for either of them.

 

Not including parts used in both builds, i.e. Graphics card / PSU / Ram / Hard drive / etc.

[App4that]

2 hours ago, He_162 said:

They are the cheapest boards that allow overclocking available for both systems, making it the cheapest possible build at the time of writing for either of them.

 

Not including parts used in both builds, i.e. Graphics card / PSU / Ram / Hard drive / etc.

Allow =/= Able to

 

The power delivery on the B boards is horrible. For overclocking almost need a X370. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, App4that said:

How did this move from CSGO, to Cinebench?

 

You rush A in Cinebench, skrubs...

Never heard of Rush A, only Rush B Cyka Blyat

On 3/7/2017 at 7:24 PM, He_162 said:

30% is the number for the worst game Ryzen has performed in, in some games Ryzen outperforms Intel.

 

Updates that have come out, and AMD recommended optimizations have reduced that to around 5 - 10% worse performance, which isn't noticeable, either way, CS:GO would run REALLY well on either the R7 1700, or the i7-7700K, but the total cost of a R7 1700 PC vs the i7-7700K would be around 40$ cheaper.

 

Intel:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MZmBP

 

Ryzen:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfHF3F

Why a micro atx board? If you put a matx board on intel side it would be way cheaper too

[He_162]

59 minutes ago, App4that said:

Allow =/= Able to

 

The power delivery on the B boards is horrible. For overclocking almost need a X370. 

Ryzen barely overclocks, and it also barely increases TDP unless you are using the R7 1700, but then it can still handle it.

 

I have seen the same maximum overclocks in both boards from reviewers, so I don't think you have any grounds, I overclocked an i7-4790k to 4.8ghz on my 45$ H81M-E33 motherboard, before I gave it to my brother, who managed to get it to 4.9ghz on a similar board. (H81M-P33)

[He_162]

59 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Never heard of Rush A, only Rush B Cyka Blyat

Why a micro atx board? If you put a matx board on intel side it would be way cheaper too

It's cheaper, actually.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T4jdf8 Intel i7-7700K

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/He_162/saved/7rsP6h AMD R7 1700

 

The Ryzen build is cheaper, by 20$, but offers much better raw performance, except for gaming, where it is worse in some, better in others.

[App4that]

23 minutes ago, He_162 said:

Ryzen barely overclocks, and it also barely increases TDP unless you are using the R7 1700, but then it can still handle it.

 

I have seen the same maximum overclocks in both boards from reviewers, so I don't think you have any grounds, I overclocked an i7-4790k to 4.8ghz on my 45$ H81M-E33 motherboard, before I gave it to my brother, who managed to get it to 4.9ghz on a similar board. (H81M-P33)

I can walk blindefolded across a highway and not get hit too, doesn't mean it's safe LOL.

 

Check out Gamers Nexus and their reviews of the motherboards. The B350 are not what you want if you want to squeeze those MHz. 

19 minutes ago, He_162 said:

It's cheaper, actually.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T4jdf8 Intel i7-7700K

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/He_162/saved/7rsP6h AMD R7 1700

 

The Ryzen build is cheaper, by 20$, but offers much better raw performance, except for gaming, where it is worse in some, better in others.

Brother, meet the title of this topic. Topic title, meet my brother He 162

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, He_162 said:

The Ryzen build is cheaper, by 20$, but offers much better raw performance, except for gaming, where it is worse in some, better in others.

Oh man oh man @App4that we have a loser

[Droidbot]

24 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Oh man oh man @App4that we have a loser

DING DING FUCKING DING WE HAVE A LOSER

 

My rule with the Intel HEDT architecture and now Ryzen is: 

if you don't know why you need the cores, you DON'T FUCKING NEED THEM

[done12many2]

8 hours ago, He_162 said:

Ryzen barely overclocks

 

So true.

[Droidbot]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

So true.

It's pushed walls to the ball from the factory

So that's sort of a given

[done12many2]

17 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

It's pushed walls to the ball from the factory

So that's sort of a given

 

I hope you know that I just saw an opportunity to quote it.  

 

I knew it would suck at overclocking the second I learned what XFR was set to boost to under "ideal cooling situations"