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Further proof that Windows 10 is causing a perf hit with the Ryzen CPU

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https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/page-8#post-38775732

 

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Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)
 

You can clearly see a regression here. Do I think that this will mean that Ryzen will obliterate the 7700K for gaming once the patch is rolled out? Of course not BUT it will paint a much more accurate picture of the performance and it will be closer while providing better minimum fps than the Intel chip ( I have heard a few people mention that they preferred the Ryzen build over the 7700K for the better minimums but I'm not 100% sure about that)

 

Furthermore, even discarding the scheduler improvements, games optimized for Ryzen should also help the fps count as everyone else is already saying. 

 

This should hopefully make some people think its as bad as Bulldozer reconsider their thinking. 

 

 

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Ooo i like this- 

 

I would guess its more of a driver issue.

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1 minute ago, Jrock said:

Ooo i like this- 

 

I would guess its more of a driver issue.

Yup. It gains around 6fps on the average with W7 and a very noticeable 13fps difference in the minimums and that is very good since my i5 6500 isn't the strongest chip and if I do drop to my minimum fps, I DO feel it. 

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Just now, TechGod said:

Yup. It gains around 6fps on the average with W7 and a very noticeable 13fps difference in the minimums and that is very good since my i5 6500 isn't the strongest chip and if I do drop to my minimum fps, I DO feel it. 

 

new chips needs time to settle in, give it 6 months . 

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11 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

new chips needs time to settle in, give it 6 months . 

Ya. Give it time till Intel whipe the Floor with it again ;)

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2 minutes ago, Praesi said:

Ya. Give it time till Intel whipe the Floor with it again ;)

i would just say consider consoles are using AMD's chips and expect to see more game developers ditching Intel's biased and expensive compiler

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Just now, SCHISCHKA said:

i would just say consider consoles are using AMD's chips and expect to see more game developers ditching Intel's biased and expensive compiler

You mean that awesome 30FPS Paperweights? Serious..didnt happen in the past, will not happen in the near future. Im not bias, just facts.

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18 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

new chips needs time to settle in, give it 6 months . 

What? That doesn't make sense. Windows 7 came out in 2009 and windows 10 is MUCH newer. According to MS windows 10 has support for all the latest and greatest so the results should be flipped. 

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I doubt this is an OS issue. 

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24 minutes ago, TechGod said:

Do I think that this will mean that Ryzen will obliterate the 7700K for gaming once the patch is rolled out?

If only people would stop thinking that the 3 CPU's that are currently out are "Ryzen".  They're only the R7 branch and most likely were never intended to go head to head with the 7700K.  The R5 and the R3 CPUs will be much better suited for that job (CPUs with fewer cores tend to run higher speeds).

 

The R7 is a productivity-oriented CPU, not a gaming CPU. 

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12 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I doubt this is an OS issue. 

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Clearly shows difference between performance between two OS

Says that this isn't an OS issue

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21 minutes ago, Praesi said:

You mean that awesome 30FPS Paperweights? Serious..didnt happen in the past, will not happen in the near future. Im not bias, just facts.

 

please don't start the elitism a ps4 has its own place, "weak" ps4 sold over 54 mil unit personally i love it with psvr and psp vita. Ryzen is a new chip, it needs time to settle in. 

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1 minute ago, TechGod said:

-unhealthy skepticism snipped-

This isn't the first time that AMD was late with a driver that fixed everything. Just give it time.

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24 minutes ago, Praesi said:

Ya. Give it time till Intel whipe the Floor with it again ;)

you should understand in a market competition is good, an 1800x is par with 6900k in creative work while costing half right? 8 core cpus main task is not gaming but productivity and creative work especially when most games don't utilize it. 

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15 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

a ps4 has its own place

Of course, on top my mail, that the wind dont blow it away.

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1 minute ago, Praesi said:

Of course, on top my mail, that the wind dont blow it away.

you really are trying your best, right buddy, nice effort keep it up. 

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10 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

This isn't the first time that AMD was late with a driver that fixed everything. Just give it time.

I'm confused now. Are you against AMD or do you genuinely believe that time will improve performance?

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29 minutes ago, Praesi said:

You mean that awesome 30FPS Paperweights? Serious..didnt happen in the past, will not happen in the near future. Im not bias, just facts.

 

2 minutes ago, Praesi said:

Of course, on top my mail, that the wind dont blow it away.

please dont start a flame war. some of us live in the real world and have jobs and would enjoy an informative and thought provoking conversation. There are threads on reddit for what you are trying to do

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Just now, SCHISCHKA said:

 

please dont start a flame war. some of us live in the real world and have jobs and would enjoy an informative and thought provoking conversation. There are threads on reddit for what you are trying to do

Funny. People jump on a comment i made, but im the one who try anything. I dont need your persmission btw. I say what i want, when i want, where i want. Got it? There is  a Console Section btw. Carry your SJW BS there.

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3 minutes ago, SCHISCHKA said:

 

please dont start a flame war. some of us live in the real world and have jobs and would enjoy an informative and thought provoking conversation. There are threads on reddit for what you are trying to do

 

please be the smarter person and not start a war, its pointless 

 

1 minute ago, Praesi said:

Funny. People jump on a comment i made, but im the one who try anything. I dont need your persmission btw. I say what i want, when i want, where i want. Got it? There is  a Console Section btw. Carry your SJW BS there.

 

you really need a life. 

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1 minute ago, TechGod said:

I'm confused now. Are you against AMD or do you genuinely believe that time will improve performance?

Just saying that AMD set a precedent with Witcher 3 (the latest that I can think of) and a driver update fixed everything. It seems too often that reactions such as "hur dur Windoes x sucks for gaming" when it could be as easy as let a programmer make a new driver to address the hardware for better performance.

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5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Just saying that AMD set a precedent with Witcher 3 (the latest that I can think of) and a driver update fixed everything. It seems too often that reactions such as "hur dur Windoes x sucks for gaming" when it could be as easy as let a programmer make a new driver to address the hardware for better performance.

I understand but there's plenty of evidence suggesting it's both a lack of optimisation and the way the Windows Scheduler is programmed. 

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10 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

How is it that an older Windows performs better? I'm willing to bet that on Haswell we will see the same phenomenon when moving to W10.

It's in that thread. The W7 scheduler somehow handles Ryzen correctly. No, performance will not be magically better on W7 compared to W10 for Haswell. 

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6 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

How is it that an older Windows performs better? I'm willing to bet that on Haswell we will see the same phenomenon when moving to W10.

[speculation] There could be differences in the scheduler between Win 7 and Win 10 that had no impact (not negative at least) for existing Intel and AMD CPUs. It could happen then that, when Ryzen came out, the way Win 7 did things suited it better, in which case an update in Win 10 is needed for it to do things "Win 7 style" when the installed processor sports the Zen architecture. [/speculation]

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