RX 580 & 570, rebrands, coming in April

[Coaxialgamer]

I wouldn't be surprised. They will rebrand p10 as a slightly faster chip as the 570 and 580. Just like tahiti in the 280x. We'll then have two vega chips as the 590(x) and rx vega series 

[MedievalMatt]

I actually would probably buy a couple Dual GPU cards from AMD.  Just for the quad GPU factor.  The R9 295 was epic.

[Lord Nicoll]

2 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

Why 4-way Crossfire? Talk about diminishing returns starting at the 3rd GPU.

who cares, 4 GPUs is moar better. Plus the 3Dmark Firestrike score would be insane. 

[Lord Nicoll]

Just now, Abyssal Radon said:

I guess if benchmarking is your thing, then by all means go for it. For gaming 3-4 way Crossfire/SLI is dead, and has been for a long time now.

I love getting high scores for HWbot, fuck I even broke a couple CPUs just pushing them sooo hard, RIP i5 3570k. 

[Coaxialgamer]

29 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

This bothers me because they need to step up their game to gain more customers. 

I see no problem with it as long as pricing reflects the performance of that part 

[Coaxialgamer]

5 minutes ago, Abyssal Radon said:

IMO it's better to have a full GPU refresh than a rebranded GPU refresh. Also it would be good in a way to not encourage that behavior. Aka boycott refreshed GPU's.

Well everyone does it.

Intel did it with devil's canyon. Amd does it as mentioned, and nvidia does it for basically every low end gt series gpu, did so with most of the 700 series gpus, the 800 series and is rumored to do so with the 1100 series, aka pascal refresh. 

[MedievalMatt]

1 hour ago, Lord Nicoll said:

who cares, 4 GPUs is moar better. Plus the 3Dmark Firestrike score would be insane. 

This.   IDGAF is the 3rd and 4th card net single digit performance gains, or even negative gains.  Id be able to say i have a Quad GPU system... and arent those bragging rights cool.  

 

Only thing better would be 8 way crossfire with 4 dual GPU cards

 

Edit  - a possible legit use case for something like that, 7 gamers 1 CPU would need less PCIE slots.

[WkdPaul]

2 hours ago, Abyssal Radon said:

*snip*

This was already posted.

Thread merged with the original.

[VagabondWraith]

By the time Volta is finished, AMD will be releasing their rebranded rebranded rebrand.  

[Dylanc1500]

17 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

By the time Volta is finished, AMD will be releasing their rebranded rebranded rebrand.  

Volta is being used this year in two systems for the Department of Energy. It is being paired with IBM's Power 9 systems. It is contracted to be finished by the end of the year. That's all I'm going to say..

[Belgarathian]

Rebrands are okay IMO, so long as there is actual improvement in the card... I.E high clocks, lower TDPs, etc that result in a tangible performance increase for the end user. 

[Okjoek]

So wait is RX 560 supposed to be the RX 460 replacement and RX 570 is supposed to replace RX 470? I thought vega was going to be the high end cards that would all perform above the RX 480.

[Jahramika]

On 2/28/2017 at 9:30 AM, Cheeky Leo said:

Accodring to information obtained by german security and technology news site heise.de the new AMD GPUs are coming in April.

 

The scheduled release of the RX 570 and 580 are allegedly April 4th and the lower end RX 550 & 560 are set to be released a week later on April 11th.

 

But, the RX500 series is rumored to be only rebrands and no new chips, as some may have hoped. 

AMD promised to release Vega in the first half of 2017, so they still have until June 30th. The news site sees Computex as a possible release date for Vega. (30th May to 3rd June)

 

 

 

 

I am a bit disappointed by the rebrands coming if we can believe the source. I personally do, since they have released some reliable information on other topics so far.

 

Source: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/DirectX-12-Grafikkarten-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-im-Maerz-AMD-Radeon-RX-580-Anfang-April-3637882.html

Fool the Titan X rebrand is back to milk more money = 1080ti

[79wjd]

7 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

So wait is RX 560 supposed to be the RX 460 replacement and RX 570 is supposed to replace RX 470? I thought vega was going to be the high end cards that would all perform above the RX 480.

560, 570, 580, Vega, Vega X. 

 

5 minutes ago, Jahramika said:

Fool the Titan X rebrand is back to milk more money = 1080ti

To milk less money* 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Regardless of whether this rebrand happens, I never understood rebrands. Are consumer that silly, that they need to feel something is "new" (<12 months) to buy? And even silly enough that changing the name satisfies that urge for "the latest"?

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Regardless of whether this rebrand happens, I never understood rebrands. Are consumer that silly, that they need to feel something is "new" (<12 months) to buy? And even silly enough that changing the name satisfies that urge for "the latest"?

Some people will just see 580 and assume it's a better card than the 480. There was no shortage of posts of people asking if they should upgrade their 200 series to a 300 series card. 

 

Then there is also the fact that releasing a new card (e.g. 580) will "refresh" all the old (480) benchmarks. When a lot of people look up 480 benchmarks, they end up seeing release benchmarks (against a 1060), which isn't going to accurately represent the current state of 480 vs. 1060. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Some people will just see 580 and assume it's a better card than the 480. There was no shortage of posts of people asking if they should upgrade their 200 series to a 300 series card. 

But the 200 series were the rebrand, not the 300s  

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

But the 200 series were the rebrand, not the 300s  

Both basically were (and I should have said 290/x and 390/x).

[Phate.exe]

25 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Then there is also the fact that releasing a new card (e.g. 580) will "refresh" all the old (480) benchmarks. When a lot of people look up 480 benchmarks, they end up seeing release benchmarks (against a 1060), which isn't going to accurately represent the current state of 480 vs. 1060. 

This is a very good point.

 

Also I'd assume any rebranded Polaris cards will likely use less power, be clocked higher, or both.

 

I had terrible luck getting my old R9 270x to overclock more than 50-70mhz or so beyond the factory OC.  Part of it is because I sucked at overclocking, but it was mostly because the Pitcairn core was originally a sub-GHz chip (might have even been under 900mhz).  I might have only gotten it into the mid-1100's, even with water cooling, but compared to the sub-GHz the GPU initially came out with, that's more than significant.

[laminutederire]

People seem to forget any 80ti card from nvidia is a rebranded titan nowadays, that pascal was just maxwell with a smaller node which gave better clocks. Talk about a refresh...

If amd wants to push the old chips with significantly better overclock, to help refining their manufacturing process and achieve good clocks for Vega to crush pascal, it could make sense.

Besides, you put a 480 at the same clocks as a 1060, and you've got a significantly better card from amd.

[FloRolf]

I don't know why I read gtx570 / gtx580 but that got me more excited... 

[Okjoek]

Do you think we will have low profile RX 560? How much better might it be than the 460?

[michaelocarroll007]

On 2/28/2017 at 10:13 AM, WereCat said:

So better binned Polaris with higher clocks + Vega to fight with NVIDIA 1070 and up?

The thing is that R9 290(x)/R9 390(x)/RX 470/RX 480 ... and now RX 570/RX 580 will be still very similar in performance.

That is like upgrading from Haswell to Skylake, pointless.

yeah i got like a 290 2 years ago from microcenter for like 180 dollars. they launched 4 years ago and there current linue of cards 4 years later still doesnt really beat it by much.... they have completley forgone the higher end market for a year in the lineup if the june date is true. 

[cj09beira]

On 02/03/2017 at 1:28 AM, Armakar said:

I was planning an AMD build.

Looks like i'm sticking with my 6700k + 1070. I was stupid - I actually believed AMD were competant enough to realise what they had to do to save their space in the market!

 

Rebranded card that can't even touch the 1070? That'll show the TitanXP and 1080Ti!

Yo vega is coming to compete in the high end market the rebrands are hust for the lower end market

[cj09beira]

18 hours ago, Abyssal Radon said:

IMO it's better to have a full GPU refresh than a rebranded GPU refresh. Also it would be good in a way to not encourage that behavior. Aka boycott refreshed GPU's.

Amd doesn't have a money tree if people don't by their cards they have less money to make more cards.