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AMD Ryzen HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!

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24 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Ryzen SIGNIFCANTLY lags behind in l1 cache bandwidth. I'm not sure why; this seems a bit strange. In l2 cache bandwidth it's about the same, and in l3 cache bandwidth it seems to pull ahead quite significantly too. Though if I were you I'd wait for official benchmarks to see.

Basically that's because currently Intel is the best fab for SRAM by a significant amount so when it comes to L1 cache Intel will be much faster.

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Basically that's because currently Intel is the best fab for SRAM by a significant amount so when it comes to L1 cache Intel will be much faster.

Isn't L2 cache also SRAM though? So why isn't AMD behind by a lot there too? Is it because AMD has double the L2 cache per core?


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1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Isn't L2 cache also SRAM though? So why isn't AMD behind by a lot there too? Is it because AMD has double the L2 cache per core?

Not sure, L2 cache is supposed to be significantly cheaper and cache logic between levels likely plays a big part. Not expert enough to say without giving misinformation, I'd have to read up on it a bit before going in to that kind of discussion. Last time I bothered reading in to CPU cache was way back in 2000's comparing the then AMD Opterons to Intel Xeons and how AMD were absolutely crushing Intel in the L1 and L2 department and above dual socket efficiency, how things have changed heh.

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23 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Not sure, L2 cache is supposed to be significantly cheaper and cache logic between levels likely plays a big part. Not expert enough to say without giving misinformation, I'd have to read up on it a bit before going in to that kind of discussion. Last time I bothered reading in to CPU cache was way back in 2000's comparing the then AMD Opterons to Intel Xeons and how AMD were absolutely crushing Intel in the L1 and L2 department and above dual socket efficiency, how things have changed heh.

It could also be that Intel owns their own fab facilities, and AMD uses 3rd party now don't they? I'm pretty sure AMD sold off their plants a while back, and that could potentially be part of it?

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1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

It could also be that Intel owns their own fab facilities, and AMD uses 3rd party now don't they? I'm pretty sure AMD sold off their plants a while back, and that could potentially be part of it?

Yea AMD is fabless, Intel does have the advantage of being able to completely tailor the entire process for themselves which in theory should have some advantages.

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1 hour ago, leadeater said:

Yea AMD is fabless, Intel does have the advantage of being able to completely tailor the entire process for themselves which in theory should have some advantages.

I've been thinking too if Ryzen is profitable enough would it be feasible for AMD or buy GloFo? Afterall, I think AMD is their main customer and it probably would be cheaper for AMD to own them if they have enough demand. As a matter of fact, I can't think of anyone else other than AMD who buys chips from GloFo xD 


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30 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I've been thinking too if Ryzen is profitable enough would it be feasible for AMD or buy GloFo? Afterall, I think AMD is their main customer and it probably would be cheaper for AMD to own them if they have enough demand. As a matter of fact, I can't think of anyone else other than AMD who buys chips from GloFo xD 

Psst, GloFo was the manufacturing arm of AMD before it spun off into its own company in 2009. GloFo isn't just making AMD parts. They also make automotive parts and high-voltage power management stuff.


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Just now, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Psst, GloFo was the manufacturing arm of AMD before it spun off into its own company in 2009. GloFo isn't just making AMD parts. They also make automotive parts and high-voltage power management stuff.

I know they were spun off from AMD, but I thought they only made CPUs and stuff, definitely not auto parts?


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Just now, DocSwag said:

I know they were spun off from AMD, but I thought they only made CPUs and stuff, definitely not auto parts?

Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries

 

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The firm manufactures integrated circuits in high volume mostly for semiconductor companies such as AMD, Broadcom, Qualcomm, and STMicroelectronics.

 


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6 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

I'm not sure I see where it pertains to auto parts?


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13 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I'm not sure I see where it pertains to auto parts?

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200 mm fabrication facilities[edit]

All 200 mm fabs except Fab 9 are located in Singapore, and originally owned by Chartered Semiconductor.

Fab 2[edit]

Fab 2 is located at Singapore capable of manufacturing wafers at 600 to 350 nm for use in selected automotive IC products, High Voltage power management IC and Mixed-signal products.

 


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Just now, lots of unexplainable lag said:

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Though they're really just making ICs and whatnots that end up being used for auto parts. They don't actually manufacture anything other than microprocessors and ICs.


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On 2/25/2017 at 9:27 AM, MageTank said:

I think the wooden box is for press release kits, but I could be wrong. They included motherboards, ram, and a CPU cooler so the press had everything they needed to review the platform as a whole. 

I didn't figure I would get the box, just bad with sarcasm on the internet O.o

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