Ryzen Overclocking and Simultaneous Multithreading Info

[dizmo]

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Or goes into super denial and starts quoting benchmarks from Bits and Chips which goes against other more trusted websites, or start quoting one of the rare (but irrelevant) benchmarks where Ryzen is on par/wins.

 

It happened with Bulldozer and I am sure it will happen with Zen if it isn't good. Fanboys can always find some area where their beloved product is good, and they will pretend like that's the most important thing ever and everything else is irrelevant.

I just hope they OC better than the Fury X. Didn't they say that had amazing OC potential as well?

They've really got to prove themselves with this launch. I'm excited to see gaming benchmarks, I'd love to see a $229 AMD chip in my next build.

2 hours ago, Prysin said:

likle everyone should be.. ahahahaha, i so funneh.

 

but seriously. RYZEN is heading to be the biggest flop since.... No Mans Sky.

I don't think it'll be that bad There will no doubt be a lot of disappointed people, because they expect it to slaughter Intel.
However, for those of us like myself that are expecting lower performance but a much lower price, I think it'll be perfectly fine.

 

[vanished]

51 minutes ago, Prysin said:

infact its made by IBM sometimes in the 70s i think it was.

Really?  Why did we only see it show up on consumer chips post 2000 or so then?

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Really?  Why did we only see it show up on consumer chips post 2000 or so then?

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While multithreading CPUs have been around since the 1950s, simultaneous multithreading was first researched by IBM in 1968 as part of the ACS-360 project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_multithreading

 

Btw, first "HT" CPU came out in 2004. But there was one planned from another company in 2001, but it didnt launch.

[Space Reptile]

9 hours ago, techstorm970 said:

1. AMD Ryzen CPUs will be decent overclockers (around 4.4GHz on air).

2. Experts say AMD's new Simultaneous Multithreading is actually BETTER than Intel's Hyperthreading.

3. Ryzen 5 1600X performance (already covered on LTT forums).

 

Cool stuff!  The hype is real! 

 

 

nice sauce 

[Techstorm970]

5 hours ago, BaalRunz said:

What is LTT forums?

This website. 

[Trixanity]

36 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I just hope they OC better than the Fury X. Didn't they say that had amazing OC potential as well?

No. But taken out of context? Sure.

 

An engineer was talking about the liquid cooling solution being great for overclocking. However the Fury X chip was already clocked as high as it would go out of the box pretty much (probably done a fairly short time before launch to meet performance expectation).

[Techstorm970]

3 hours ago, Prysin said:

likle everyone should be.. ahahahaha, i so funneh.

 

but seriously. RYZEN is heading to be the biggest flop since.... No Mans Sky.

Highly unlikely.  Simple as that.

[Doobeedoo]

I wonder will they actually name their form of SMT 'Thread Ripper' though  

Still, if that OC info is true and Ryzen chips can OC like FX chips that's awesome.

[Techstorm970]

4 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

I wonder will they actually name their form of SMT 'Thread Ripper' though  

Still, if that OC info is true and Ryzen chips can OC like FX chips that's awesome.

AMD Thread Ripper or AMD Threadripping sounds sic tho! 

 

The Ryzen 7 1800X is an 8c/16t beast with only a 95W TDP.  The i7-6900k has a 140W TDP.  Based on this metric, if Ryzen can overclock like the FX chips, it would make sense.

[MoonSpot]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

I just hope they OC better than the Fury X. Didn't they say that had amazing OC potential as well?

They've really got to prove themselves with this launch. I'm excited to see gaming benchmarks, I'd love to see a $229 AMD chip in my next build.

I am skeptical that the OC on RyZen will be good.  Would be hard to be as bad as the Fury X was at launch though.

Ultimately it doesn't need to be either IF the leaked prices and relative performance are accurate IMO.  Would be nice if it OC'ed like a bat outta hell, but I'm not going to hold my breath or nurse any expectations on that part.

[dizmo]

6 minutes ago, MoonSpot said:

I am skeptical that the OC on RyZen will be good.  Would be hard to be as bad as the Fury X was at launch though.

Ultimately it doesn't need to be either IF the leaked prices and relative performance are accurate IMO.  Would be nice if it OC'ed like a bat outta hell, but I'm not going to hold my breath or nurse any expectations on that part.

Same, I won't be buying the CPU to OC it anyway.

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

7 hours ago, BaalRunz said:

It just confused me in the op he says " been covered on the LTT forums ", I was thinking he was referring to a different forum other than this one lol

e: but now that I know LTT is an acronym for this forum im an idiot 

Better to ask a question and look stupid for a minute than to not ask and be stupid for eternity.  -- paraphrased from some philosopher (I think Chinese) 

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

1 hour ago, techstorm970 said:

Highly unlikely.  Simple as that.

While I agree with you, your profile picture kinda discredits you as super biased on the subject.

[MageTank]

1 hour ago, techstorm970 said:

AMD Thread Ripper or AMD Threadripping sounds sic tho! 

 

The Ryzen 7 1800X is an 8c/16t beast with only a 95W TDP.  The i7-6900k has a 140W TDP.  Based on this metric, if Ryzen can overclock like the FX chips, it would make sense.

You simply cannot compare the TDP of AMD and Intel processors. They each measure "TDP" differently. Some chose to do it based on an average, with a very specific workload. Others like to list it as the absolute max. Also, knowing the TDP tells you absolutely nothing about overclocking. You only know what kind of heat you will need to dissipate in it's stock configuration, not what you will be dealing with AFTER the overclock. When it comes to thermals, voltage scales quadratically, not even factoring in core clock. Not exactly something you will be able to accurately predict, seeing as we are missing far too many pieces of the puzzle. 

[AresKrieger]

Hype is like the tale of Icarus, once it gets to such absurd heights the product being hyped is bound to come crashing down from its pedestal, and though I originally hoped for Zen to be good for competition's sake I now hope it crashes and burns to discourage hype based marketing a "leaks", as it is an annoying strategy that does not deserve reward.

[raphidy]

Lol at RyzenChrist. Overhype is real. Can't wait till end of the month to see if the balloon ryse up to the moon or crashes deep in the abyss.

[MageTank]

9 minutes ago, AresKrieger said:

Hype is like the tale of Icarus, once it gets to such absurd heights the product being hyped is bound to come crashing down from its pedestal, and though I originally hoped for Zen to be good for competition's sake I now hope it crashes and burns to discourage hype based marketing a "leaks", as it is an annoying strategy that does not deserve reward.

You can't really point the finger at AMD though. It is unknown if it is them leaking the information intentionally, or if it's their rabid fans trying to justify their worship of a company. At most, you can only hope they deliver on what they promise. Wishing for more or less is simply foolish. 

 

Speaking in the general sense, not calling you a fool specifically.

[AresKrieger]

35 minutes ago, MageTank said:

You can't really point the finger at AMD though. It is unknown if it is them leaking the information intentionally, or if it's their rabid fans trying to justify their worship of a company.

In this case you are right but amd has used this strategy before so it is not a stretch to assume they are causing the hype, but as you stated it is an unknown, however the fanboys would be sad if it was a flop which would still make me happy via schadenfreude

 

In short hype has made me jaded so I want all over hyped things to burn due to an irrationally large hatred of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

(though my assertion that hyped products tend to fail long term is correct based on recent examples)

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, AresKrieger said:

In this case you are right but amd has used this strategy before so it is not a stretch to assume they are causing the hype, but as you stated it is an unknown, however the fanboys would be sad if it was a flop which would still make me happy via schadenfreude

 

In short hype has made me jaded so I want all over hyped things to burn do to an irrationally large hatred of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Believe me, you are not the only one tired of the massive hype. Anyone that frequents the CPU subsection of this forum will be dealing with the aftermath of Zen for months to come, whether it lives up to the hype or not. I don't mind what little information we do get in these "leaks", but I absolutely despise the conclusions people jump to based on what little information we actually get. "This single random unverified overclocker maybe has a Ryzen sample, and claims it can hit 4.4/4.5ghz on an undisclosed voltage whose tolerance ceiling is still unknown, therefore all Ryzen chips can OC to 4.4/4.5ghz!". It's this mentality that leads to misinformation and extreme disappointment for the consumers that don't know any better.

 

Zen has a ton of hurdles it has to clear now, mostly because people won't leave well enough alone. The price leaks, the performance benchmarks, and now the overclocking potential. If they fail to match these in any regard, someone somewhere will be disappointed, even if they get 2 out of 3 right. I advise everyone to lower their expectations a ton, and expect a CPU that is faster than AMD's previous offerings, and slower than Intel's current offerings, but at a competitive price. This way, you can't be disappointed if they fail to deliver, and can be pleasantly surprised if they somehow exceed these low expectations. 

[Techstorm970]

1 hour ago, N3v3r3nding_N3wb said:

While I agree with you, your profile picture kinda discredits you as super biased on the subject.

How about now?

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

2 minutes ago, techstorm970 said:

How about now?

I like cats.

[Bananasplit_00]

4.4GHz on air? thats one huge as hell dissapointment to me atleast... if it 300Mhz worse then my I5 4690K then im getting less sure about getting it tbh. well anyway im not going to trust any overclocks made by big youtubers or overclocking leeks either, the youtubers will be sitting on top silicon and leaks are never to be taken as the complete truth either but 4.4GHz seems disapointing, thats 400MHz over the turbo of the R7 1800X

[MageTank]

12 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

4.4GHz on air? thats one huge as hell dissapointment to me atleast... if it 300Mhz worse then my I5 4690K then im getting less sure about getting it tbh. well anyway im not going to trust any overclocks made by big youtubers or overclocking leeks either, the youtubers will be sitting on top silicon and leaks are never to be taken as the complete truth either but 4.4GHz seems disapointing, thats 400MHz over the turbo of the R7 1800X

In what world is 4.4ghz a disappointment? I run my 6700k at 4.2ghz and it's plenty fast enough to drive a GTX 1070 at 1440p and still hitting 160fps just fine in titles like Overwatch. Besides, your 4690k hitting 4.7ghz is already above the average that most 4690k's hit, which ironically is 4.4ghz according to the samples over at the OCN Devil's Canyon club. We know nothing about the average overclock that Zen will achieve, and there is certainly not enough samples to make a prediction.

 

I think people are starting to let CPU clock speeds get to their heads. We have reached a point where modern IPC (Haswell and beyond) and 4ghz is "good enough" for most consumer needs. If you are in a situation as a general consumer where your modern i5/i7 is bottlenecking your GPU, turn up the graphics details or invest in a better monitor. Shift the bottleneck to the GPU. There is no need to burden the CPU with more frames than your refresh rate anyways (unless you play super competitively and absolutely need the low input latency). 

[outercry]

1 hour ago, MageTank said:

Believe me, you are not the only one tired of the massive hype. Anyone that frequents the CPU subsection of this forum will be dealing with the aftermath of Zen for months to come, whether it lives up to the hype or not. I don't mind what little information we do get in these "leaks", but I absolutely despise the conclusions people jump to based on what little information we actually get. "This single random unverified overclocker maybe has a Ryzen sample, and claims it can hit 4.4/4.5ghz on an undisclosed voltage whose tolerance ceiling is still unknown, therefore all Ryzen chips can OC to 4.4/4.5ghz!". It's this mentality that leads to misinformation and extreme disappointment for the consumers that don't know any better.

 

Zen has a ton of hurdles it has to clear now, mostly because people won't leave well enough alone. The price leaks, the performance benchmarks, and now the overclocking potential. If they fail to match these in any regard, someone somewhere will be disappointed, even if they get 2 out of 3 right. I advise everyone to lower their expectations a ton, and expect a CPU that is faster than AMD's previous offerings, and slower than Intel's current offerings, but at a competitive price. This way, you can't be disappointed if they fail to deliver, and can be pleasantly surprised if they somehow exceed these low expectations. 

I have to say that coming even to these forums has become a bit of "Ryzen this, Ryzen that", and all based on leaks, rumours, speculation.

People are really scraping the bottom of a barrel with their "reliable sources". Random forum posts, Reddit user comments, iffy websites etc.

It is quite annoying when almost everything else gets flooded under yet another Ryzen leak post.

 

I have said this before, but why can't people wait and see what actually happens? It is only couple of weeks now (hopefully no delays) and then we all know for definite. Why can't everyone just wait for AMD to announce the lineup, prices and when it is going to be really available to purchase? And then wait for the real benchmarks from multiple, reliable sources to come in?

 

Getting excited is one thing, getting totally overhyped is another thing entirely.

 

Plus, what annoys me as well, is that all of these iffy websites for one will be like; "we were right about this and that", when they have literally speculated every possible scenario out there, and then come out saying they knew how things would turn out all along.

 

Oh well, waiting for the next hype train, possibly Vega...

[Bananasplit_00]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

In what world is 4.4ghz a disappointment? I run my 6700k at 4.2ghz and it's plenty fast enough to drive a GTX 1070 at 1440p and still hitting 160fps just fine in titles like Overwatch. Besides, your 4690k hitting 4.7ghz is already above the average that most 4690k's hit, which ironically is 4.4ghz according to the samples over at the OCN Devil's Canyon club. We know nothing about the average overclock that Zen will achieve, and there is certainly not enough samples to make a prediction.

 

I think people are starting to let CPU clock speeds get to their heads. We have reached a point where modern IPC (Haswell and beyond) and 4ghz is "good enough" for most consumer needs. If you are in a situation as a general consumer where your modern i5/i7 is bottlenecking your GPU, turn up the graphics details or invest in a better monitor. Shift the bottleneck to the GPU. There is no need to burden the CPU with more frames than your refresh rate anyways (unless you play super competitively and absolutely need the low input latency). 

its not fun to overclock "just a bit". thats why i find it a dissapointment. we dont have any benchmarks or real overclocks yet but i would find 4.4GHz to be a bit lacking. also havent talked to a single person who hasent been able to push there I5 4690K above 4.4GHz, most iv talked to can get 4.6GHz or so but i havent talked to 2000 people i gues