Ryzen Overclocking and Simultaneous Multithreading Info

[Techstorm970]

Ok, so RedGamingTech recently made a new video with a LOT more Ryzen info.  Some of the stuff he covers in the video has already been covered on the LTT forums, but a couple of things haven't.

 

First, here's the video:

 

Now, if you don't have enough time to watch the video, here's a bit of a rundown:

 

1. AMD Ryzen CPUs will be decent overclockers (around 4.4GHz on air).

2. Experts say AMD's new Simultaneous Multithreading is actually BETTER than Intel's Hyperthreading.

3. Ryzen 5 1600X performance (already covered on LTT forums).

 

Cool stuff!  The hype is real! 

[Megah3rtz]

When will we see game benchmarks ffs. and he didn't even do the benchmarks himself, whats new 

[dizmo]

With a name like RedGamingTech I'm sure he's not biased at all

 

There's too many "ifs" and "coulds" in his videos. I've watched a few. He's going to be one of the people that over hype Ryzen and cause people to be super disappointed.

[Bouzoo]

14 minutes ago, techstorm970 said:

2. Experts say AMD's new Simultaneous Multithreading is actually BETTER than Intel's Hyperthreading.

Unless those "experts" have turned Ryzen CPUs inside out (which you can bet they haven't), nobody should jump on this train. 

[19_blackie_73]

9 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Unless those "experts" have turned Ryzen CPUs inside out (which you can bet they haven't), nobody should jump on this train. 

though interestingly enough, there are some ryzen cpus already out by the reviewers (pauls hardware gave a hint that he has ryzen cpus, but he will not give any info about this)

So if somebody actually fools amd and received a ryzen cpu, he could throw out actually real numbers (though it would be against the agreements the would have made)

[Bouzoo]

16 minutes ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

though interestingly enough, there are some ryzen cpus already out by the reviewers (pauls hardware gave a hint that he has ryzen cpus, but he will not give any info about this)

So if somebody actually fools amd and received a ryzen cpu, he could throw out actually real numbers (though it would be against the agreements the would have made)

Yes, we do know that indeed, but all real experts are under NDA and if they are real experts, they won't leak the info.  

[mvitkun]

52 minutes ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

(pauls hardware gave a hint that he has ryzen cpus, but he will not give any info about this)

I could be wrong but he sounded sarcastic when he said that.  

 

[Fetzie]

1 hour ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

though interestingly enough, there are some ryzen cpus already out by the reviewers (pauls hardware gave a hint that he has ryzen cpus, but he will not give any info about this)

So if somebody actually fools amd and received a ryzen cpu, he could throw out actually real numbers (though it would be against the agreements the would have made)

Of course everybody has Ryzen samples by now, they've got to have their reviews done by the 28th.

[LAwLz]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

There's too many "ifs" and "coulds" in his videos. I've watched a few. He's going to be one of the people that over hype Ryzen and cause people to be super disappointed.

Or goes into super denial and starts quoting benchmarks from Bits and Chips which goes against other more trusted websites, or start quoting one of the rare (but irrelevant) benchmarks where Ryzen is on par/wins.

 

It happened with Bulldozer and I am sure it will happen with Zen if it isn't good. Fanboys can always find some area where their beloved product is good, and they will pretend like that's the most important thing ever and everything else is irrelevant.

[BaalRunz]

What is LTT forums?

[cj09beira]

48 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Or goes into super denial and starts quoting benchmarks from Bits and Chips which goes against other more trusted websites, or start quoting one of the rare (but irrelevant) benchmarks where Ryzen is on par/wins.

 

It happened with Bulldozer and I am sure it will happen with Zen if it isn't good. Fanboys can always find some area where their beloved product is good, and they will pretend like that's the most important thing ever and everything else is irrelevant.

but he isn't, he is always saying keep in mind these are leaks and aren't confirmed, some of the times he himself says this one apears fake... 

[Trixanity]

2 minutes ago, BaalRunz said:

What is LTT forums?

LinusTechTips forums.

[BaalRunz]

1 minute ago, Trixanity said:

LinusTechTips forums.

Oh.. isnt' that the forum we're on though, wtf?

[Brooksie359]

35 minutes ago, BaalRunz said:

Oh.. isnt' that the forum we're on though, wtf?

Yes what of it?

[BaalRunz]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Yes what of it?

It just confused me in the op he says " been covered on the LTT forums ", I was thinking he was referring to a different forum other than this one lol

e: but now that I know LTT is an acronym for this forum im an idiot 

[Brooksie359]

4 minutes ago, BaalRunz said:

It just confused me in the op he says " been covered on the LTT forums ", I was thinking he was referring to a different forum other than this one lol

e: but now that I know LTT is an acronym for this forum im an idiot 

Not knowing something doesn't make one an idiot. It just means you have more to learn. 

[DocSwag]

3 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

Unless those "experts" have turned Ryzen CPUs inside out (which you can bet they haven't), nobody should jump on this train. 

Interestingly enough David Kanter has in fact done a deep dive on AMD's Zen architecture. This is the same guy that figured out Maxwell and Pascal are using tile based rasterization. I'm not entirely sure why he was the only one who released this info  but I trust him. He also did an hour long interview with PCPer about it. I think that he got this info from ISSCC but I'm not entirely sure.

 

http://www.linleygroup.com/mpr/article.php?id=11666

 

However, this does only go into how the cores are organized and stuff, and isn't completely indicative of how efficient the schedulers, ALUs, FPUs, decoders, cache, etc. are so you can't really get zen's IPC from this. It's still an interesting read though (even if I understood less than 50% ).

[MageTank]

5 hours ago, techstorm970 said:

Ok, so RedGamingTech recently made a new video with a LOT more Ryzen info.  Some of the stuff he covers in the video has already been covered on the LTT forums, but a couple of things haven't.

 

First, here's the video:

 

Now, if you don't have enough time to watch the video, here's a bit of a rundown:

 

1. AMD Ryzen CPUs will be decent overclockers (around 4.4GHz on air).

2. Experts say AMD's new Simultaneous Multithreading is actually BETTER than Intel's Hyperthreading.

3. Ryzen 5 1600X performance (already covered on LTT forums).

 

Cool stuff!  The hype is real! 

1. A random post by a guy on OCN doesn't qualify as proof of overclocking tolerances.

2. They are only guessing, due to the additional resources. Until we actually get these chips in our hands, we should not speak as if it's an absolute.

3. Anyone can fake a DMI string on anything. Again, until we actually see these chips in action from reputable reviewers, this is all hearsay.

 

Besides. The last source I would trust, would be information from a random guy named "Ryzen Christ". With how few samples are actually available, it's simply impossible to know the voltage tolerances of these chips, let alone the ceilings.

 

If we don't keep this hype train above 50MPH, something bad is gonna happen. Where's Keanu when you need him?

[Prysin]

5 hours ago, dizmo said:

With a name like RedGamingTech I'm sure he's not biased at all

 

There's too many "ifs" and "coulds" in his videos. I've watched a few. He's going to be one of the people that over hype Ryzen and cause people to be super disappointed.

likle everyone should be.. ahahahaha, i so funneh.

 

but seriously. RYZEN is heading to be the biggest flop since.... No Mans Sky.

[Orangeator]

55 minutes ago, Prysin said:

likle everyone should be.. ahahahaha, i so funneh.

 

but seriously. RYZEN is heading to be the biggest flop since.... No Mans Sky.

Even if you are an Intel fan... You should still hope Ryzen is a success. That way there is competition is in the market place.

[MageTank]

54 minutes ago, Prysin said:

likle everyone should be.. ahahahaha, i so funneh.

 

but seriously. RYZEN is heading to be the biggest flop since.... No Mans Sky.

Only for those that fell for the hype. If people keep realistic expectations, and those expectations are met, it's gonna do fine, lol. My expectations are simple. Give me close to Haswell IPC with plenty of threads, at a reasonable price. If they release their flagship 8c/16t SKU, and it has Haswell IPC for $700, that's a win in my book. Anything extra is just gravy on top.

 

Also, remember everyone bashing the AVX performance? It's only slower than Intel on 128-bit vectors. It's 256-bit vectors should be on par with Intel's, as zen can do x8 128-bit op/clock or x8 256-bit op/clock. In comparison, Haswell can do x16 128 and x8 256. Zen should do just fine in the AVX department. 

[Godlygamer23]

6 hours ago, techstorm970 said:

2. Experts say AMD's new Simultaneous Multithreading is actually BETTER than Intel's Hyperthreading.

SMT is not new. Intel's Hyper-Threading uses SMT as well. 

[Humbug]

4 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

SMT is not new. Intel's Hyper-Threading uses SMT as well. 

AMD's implementation of SMT, known as 'thread ripper' is new.

Intel's implementation of SMT, known as 'hyperthreading' is old.

 

He was referring to the former.

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, Humbug said:

AMD's implementation of SMT, known as 'thread ripper' is new.

Intel's implementation of SMT, known as 'hyperthreading' is old.

Yes, but SMT itself is not new by any means, and the terminology used in the OP should change. 

[Prysin]

44 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Yes, but SMT itself is not new by any means, and the terminology used in the OP should change. 

infact its made by IBM sometimes in the 70s i think it was.