UPDATED AGAIN: New Ryzen prices and clock speeds rumoured: lowest-end 8c/16t for $322, lowest-end 6c/12t for $223

[captain cactus]

UPDATE AGAIN:

 

Huzzah:

 

These are quite the prices. 4c4t for the price of an i3, 4c8t for an i5 and an R7-1700 8c16t for the price of a 7700K. Now also remember that these are Chinese prices, so there's a pretty high tax on parts (like 15% or something) New list with pricing conversion already done. These are US prices, but I expect EU prices to be about equal or slightly lower than the direct conversion Chinese prices because import taxes. Still flipping amazing deals here.

 

 

 

Original post:

 

Source in Spanish: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2017/02/precio-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-r7-1700x-r7-1700/

Reddit thread: 

 

 

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Translated TL:DR:

 

This is the rumor:

1800X: 8/16 @ 4Ghz (95W) = $599 vs 6900K 8/16 (~$1000)

1700X: 8/16 @ 3.8Ghz (95W) = $469 vs 6850K 6/12 (~$600)

1700: 8/16 @ 3.7Ghz (65W) = $389 vs 6800K 6/12 (~$450)

That's pretty competitive actually. Also says something about the lower-end 6c and 4c CPUs and their pricing even though they're not mentioned.

 

I'm exited. Intel's gonna have a rough time at these prices.

 

EDIT Typo in the title

 

EDIT 2:

 

This new thing popped up suggesting even lower prices for the lowest-end 8c16t model.

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=!ORDERID!&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=AMD+AM4&search=Search

 

The reddit thread: 

 

 

The top comment there explains things pretty well:

 

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Background: I am formerly a purchaser for a computer retailer.

This site is hooked directly into the database for one of the largest "channel" suppliers in the world - Ingram Micro.

Channel suppliers like IM are the means for most vendors to get their products to retailers and system builders. I'm saying places like cyberpowerpc, and even retailers (to an extent Newegg), buy their parts from places like IM.

These are 100% legit SKUs, however pricing is not quite realistic. These are flat percentage markups of Ingram Micro's selling price.

Edit: my commentary of pricing got most questions. I'll explain here. 

Meaning to say if we add another 30% markup for retailers,

No, not even close to that much. Mom and pop brick and mortar, probably, that's what they have to do to keep the lights on. But the retailers most of us deal with these days - Newegg, Best Buy, etc - they buy these parts for slightly less than what we're seeing here, and then barely put tiny margins on top of that - and it is not uncommon for them to actually sell these parts at cost or a loss, and get their revenue from rebates from the factory. /u/carbonat38 was exactly right when he said "I doubt that margins in the ultra competitive online world are that high anymore, in particular with little actual operating cost."

How can you tell that the markup is a flat percentage?

Just from my experience when googling an Ingram Micro SKU back in the day to get to a product real fast (channel vendors' websites are, as a rule, shitty, and so you develop your own methods to get to the product). I'd occasionally find a BLT url or a similar drop shipper. As a rule, BLT would have things in a certain line all the same lazy markup over the Ingram price. If Ingram listed a bunch of new logitech keyboards in April 2015, they'd all be 5% higher on BLT. If Ingram listed a bunch of new CPUs in Feb 2017, they'd all be, say, 1% higher on BLT. Making up those numbers, but that's the pattern.

Ultimately, the pattern from BLT that I am familiar with means that the 1800X will be $449.99 - 499.99 MSRP, barring any sort of price inflation if we are under supplied. 

 

 

 

 

[Ashaira]

title says one thing article another. so which of you is lying?

Edit: fixed

[xAcid9]

3 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

I'm exited. Intel's gonna have a rough time at these prices.

Only if Ryzen price/performance > Intel.

[Tauwer]

so this means the 4 cores are going to be under 390 dollars?

[randomhkkid]

Intel price list for comparison, not including the new ix-7x50k chips released recently.

[FloRolf]

The title doesn't really match the article? 

Lowest 8c is $390?

[TOMPPIX]

The lower end ryzen cpus are going to be power limited, unlocked but still not enough power to overclock much.

[Ashaira]

1 minute ago, TOMPPIX said:

The lower end ryzen cpus are going to be power limited, unlocked but still not enough power to overclock much.

power limited how? it's up to the user how much power they push into it.

[TOMPPIX]

2 minutes ago, Ashaira said:

power limited how? it's up to the user how much power they push into it.

1700: 8/16 @ 3.7Ghz (65W) or is that not how it works?

[Syntaxvgm]

11 minutes ago, Ashaira said:

title says one thing article another. so which of you is lying?

lol what I thought

10 minutes ago, Tauwer said:

so this means the 4 cores are going to be under 390 dollars?

 

8 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

The title doesn't really match the article? 

Lowest 8c is $390?

it says 389 euros which is 415 USD, not 450 USD like title, so you're all wrong

[Ashaira]

1 minute ago, TOMPPIX said:

1700: 8/16 @ 3.7Ghz (65W) or is that not how it works?

that is how much power the cpu uses at stock speeds. not how much it can use

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, TOMPPIX said:

1700: 8/16 @ 3.7Ghz (65W) or is that not how it works?

That's presumably the TDP at stock clocks. 

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, Ashaira said:

that is how much power the cpu uses at stock speeds. not how much it can use

TDP =/= power consumption

 

5 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

That's presumably the TDP at stock clocks. 

Although, there has to be something going on if there's a few hundred dollar difference between 8 core variants (or they're pulling 9590 crap again). Anyway, I find it hard to believe an unlocked 8c/16t (6900k) competitor is priced at $450.

[FloRolf]

4 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

lol what I thought

 

it says 389 euros which is 415 USD, not 450 USD like title, so you're all wrong

Uh.. Muricans can't quote correctly or know the difference between $ and €. 

 

Lowest end is now

389€ which is 415$ which is compared to a 450$ Intel. 

Now we get things right. 

[leadeater]

Could be power limited via the CPU microcode, or something similar. Not read the source just listing a possibility to the mentioned power limiting of lower chips. 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Could be power limited via the CPU microcode, or something similar. Not read the source just listing a possibility to the mentioned power limiting of lower chips. 

god that would be so shit. That's AMD pissing away any edge right there. 

[leadeater]

Just now, Syntaxvgm said:

god that would be so shit. That's AMD pissing away any edge right there. 

Yea it would be a bit of a dick move, unlock everything but turn around and do something effectively equivalent to non X SKUs. Can't think of any other explanation for 30W TDP difference for only 100Mhz decrease.

[grimreeper132]

26 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Source in Spanish: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2017/02/precio-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-r7-1700x-r7-1700/

Reddit thread: 

 

 

That's pretty competitive actually. Also says something about the lower-end 6c and 4c CPUs and their pricing.

 

I'm exited. Intel's gonna have a rough time at these prices.

those prices are competitive as fuck, this will drag intels prices right down if they are true, that also being said, I don't know how reliable that website is, so I'm going to take those pricings with a (massive) grain of salt

[cluelessgenius]

actually wccf lined up the 1700 to the 7700 from intel and if that also indicates performance. then that is not a good deal

[porina]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Yea it would be a bit of a dick move, unlock everything but turn around and do something effectively equivalent to non X SKUs. Can't think of any other explanation for 30W TDP difference for only 100Mhz decrease.

Speculation: maybe they only want to list 65W and 95W and not everything in between. The lower CPU just makes it into 65W band, others don't so end up in 95W band. How does this compare with their current offerings?

Alternate possibility: could they be close to a voltage wall at these clocks? As overclockers will be familiar with, after a point you have to start adding more voltage to get modest gains in frequency, and power grows quickly from there.

 

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, cluelessgenius said:

actually wccf lined up the 1700 to the 7700 from intel and if that also indicates performance. then that is not a good deal

this is good pricing if you can use this amount of cores, as you can get 8 AMD cores for the same as 6 Intel cores, which are, according to AMD, very similar in performance at the moment, meaning that AMD's CPUs will be very competitive.

[alamox]

if these prices are true then it's very good for 8/16, just need performance to follow...come on AMD no screwups plz

[cluelessgenius]

11 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

this is good pricing if you can use this amount of cores, as you can get 8 AMD cores for the same as 6 Intel cores, which are, according to AMD, very similar in performance at the moment, meaning that AMD's CPUs will be very competitive.

i mean hope so too but since my "8-Core" 8120 gets pretty much embarrased by every newer intel quad im really sceptical until actual benchmarks and review tell me differently

[iRileyx]

Makes me wonder how an 8/16 @ 3.8ghz with 95w tdp is equal to a 6850k, but a 8/16 @ 4ghz with 95w tdp is equal to a 6900k, hmm.

[DnFx91]

49 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Source in Spanish: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2017/02/precio-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-r7-1700x-r7-1700/

Reddit thread: 

 

 

That's pretty competitive actually. Also says something about the lower-end 6c and 4c CPUs and their pricing.

 

I'm exited. Intel's gonna have a rough time at these prices.

holy crap i can have 16 threads for like £450 ? Fuck yeah RYZEN

 

Im starting to think that RYZEN+VEGA is gonna be an intel killer. Pretty sure it's the route i'm gonna take. Been sitting on this i7 4790s and R9 390 for too long