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Intel's responses to AMD Ryzen with i7 7740K and i5 7640K

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15 minutes ago, JohnnyCorporalTech said:

the i7 7740k realy should have 6 cores, which would link up intels consumer z270 with their x99 lineup. 

They probably can't do that on the current factory run but starting the next one they could turn to 6HT 4HT and 4 No HT for the i7 i5 and i3 respectively which is a change that they should have done as soon as they went down in the manufacturing process node this last time with Skylake but well, it shows you how AMD was needed in the processor department to put pressure on them.


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An I5 with hyperthreading... Honestly can't believe they would push it, would drastically cut into their 7700k/"7740k" sales.

I could see them absolutely however releasing a 7640k with simply a higher base clock, as we saw with the 4790k/4690k releases. 


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16 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

i5... hyperthreading? How interesting. 

It's something that I had thought of a while ago that Intel could go as a route, and something that I mentioned in a post on here somewhere. It might be something that Intel must do in order to stay relevant. While I like this Intel we're seeing, this also makes me concerned about the overclocking we can actually do with our CPUs, which seems to be getting thinner and thinner. It's both a good and bad thing. Good because we get lots of performance out-of-the-box for us and Average Joe's, but we also lose out on the tinkering factor. 


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Rip 7700k owners.


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6 minutes ago, LabRat said:

I know ryzen is fully supported in W7 so that's where I'm heading.

That was a very smart move by AMD, people don't like w10 and to be forced to it with Kaby Lake was a seriously stupid move. The we have the TIM forcinging people to void their warranties cause Intel didn't want to spend a 1c more per unit on a decent TIM.

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5 minutes ago, VirtualNinja said:

That was a very smart move by AMD, people don't like w10 and to be forced to it with Kaby Lake was a seriously stupid move. The we have the TIM forcinging people to void their warranties cause Intel didn't want to spend a 1c more per unit on a decent TIM.

For the 1001 th time. The TIM that Intel uses is good stuff. If you can find some better thermal paste that can withstand as much heat cycles and years of use, you win.

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42 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

[...]One unique feature for this i5, is the support of Hyper Thread. [...]

WHAT!? ( ಥـْـِـِـِـْಥ)  That's an i7!  Please, Intel, for the love of god, don't do this...


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7640k has lower clock speed, same thread and core count, less cache. But higher TDP than 7700k. Why? 

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2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

WHAT!? ( ಥـْـِـِـِـْಥ)  That's an i7!  Please, Intel, for the love of god, don't do this...

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These rumours come from Canard PC Hardware, who also report that Intel's new Kaby Lake i5 7640K will also feature hyperthreading, though this is a claim that we do not see coming to fruition with this generation of CPUs. 

 


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But anyways...

  1. Interesting... more CPU choice is always good :D
  2. Will boosting the chip by 0.1 GHz really take it from losing to Zen to beating it, if that's really their goal here?  Seems a bit hard to believe...
  3. Huge missed opportunity to call it the 7770k xD  More 7s = more speed

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I'll still get Ryzen


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15 minutes ago, Deli said:

For the 1001 th time. The TIM that Intel uses is good stuff. If you can find some better thermal paste that can withstand as much heat cycles and years of use, you win.

Not to mention finding a metal soldering process that won't shatter half the dies when it is applied.


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I hate when news articles have "according to our sources" as proof that something exists. Though, ignoring that entirely, the original french source did say this:

 

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[Edit 17/02/06 - 6:50 p.m.] Presence of HT on the 7640K
Following the publication of this news, several sources have contacted us about these two information. All confirm the existence of the Core i7 7740K and the Core i5 7640K but we get conflicting information about the presence or not of HyperThreading on the Core i5 7640K. Our sample should arrive at the end of the week, we will confirm the presence of this functionality and all the specifications (frequencies, TDP, etc.).

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I just don't see Intel preemptively stepping on the toes of the 7700k and 7600k after they just launched them, for a magical 100mhz and HT. There is very little room in between the 7600k and 7700k to actually price an i5 with HT. What are they gonna do, price it at $250-$270, and undercut every single locked i7? This just seems like nonsense to me.


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I'm all for some competition but introducing new CPUs such as the i7 7740K and the i5 7640K would...

 

a) Undermine the purchases of recent customers (especially the people who just bought Kaby Lake).

b) Completely shift their entire lineup and potentially create chaos in the process.

 

Honestly, I can't be the only one who thinks that Intel should have just adjusted their prices of their current lineup in anticipation or response to Ryzen.


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1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

The fuck is the point of a Hyper-Threaded i5. It makes the i7 completely pointless unless something benefits massively from more cache.

Well the pentium g4560 does the same for the i3s. So it's now not unprecedented. 


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3 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

The fuck is the point of a Hyper-Threaded i5. It makes the i7 completely pointless unless something benefits massively from more cache.

It might not make sense, but then Intel can make the Core i7 mainstream an eight core CPU with hyper-threading, or without it.


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1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Well the pentium g4560 does the same for the i3s. So it's now not unprecedented. 

But in this case, the i3's have a fuckton more instructions, as well as now having an unlocked SKU.

 

3 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

It might not make sense, but then Intel can make the Core i7 mainstream an eight core CPU with hyper-threading, or without it.

I think it'd be more logical for them to make mainstream i7's hex-cores (let's be brutally honest here: enthusiast-mainstream people REALLY don't need more than that), and then make the 2011 socket bigger and stuff an unlocked 12-core into the socket with a royal assload of lanes and a pricetag hopefully less than a Prius.

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2 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

But in this case, the i3's have a fuckton more instructions, as well as now having an unlocked SKU.

 

I think it'd be more logical for them to make mainstream i7's hex-cores (let's be brutally honest here: enthusiast-mainstream people REALLY don't need more than that), and then make the 2011 socket bigger and stuff an unlocked 12-core into the socket with a royal assload of lanes and a pricetag hopefully less than a Prius.

As I mentioned before I wonder if they made consumer 6-core and 8-core with no HT as a new i9 lineup if people would be interested.

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If Intel is scrambling to make new different SKU's that are so pathetically indifferent, they must truly be afraid of Ryzen. And with good reason tbh. I3 as we know it, is dead. Pentium should be dead too, now that Ryzen will be a min. of 4 cores. Of course it depends on the price of entry, but still. Quad core should be mandatory now.

 

Maybe these chips will have tim not made of mud or recycled shit. Isn't competition on the CPU market a great thing?


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1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

WHAT!? ( ಥـْـِـِـِـْಥ)  That's an i7!  Please, Intel, for the love of god, don't do this...

What? Why? this is so much better for the consumer if this happens because it means that we will get more bang for out buck vs being stuck on quad cores when we deserve the six core to be the standard new high end consumer standard replacing the current 4C 8T. If Intel does this in order to stay relevant and compete with AMD this will be good as we will get more for the same dollar, being, two more cores.

 

 Linus himself said that it is time we see hexacores become the standard that the consumer high end i7 has become.


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13 minutes ago, Aleksiandrovich said:

What? Why? this is so much better for the consumer if this happens because it means that we will get more bang for out buck vs being stuck on quad cores when we deserve the six core to be the standard new high end consumer standard replacing the current 4C 8T. If Intel does this in order to stay relevant and compete with AMD this will be good as we will get more for the same dollar, being, two more cores.

 

 Linus himself said that it is time we see hexacores become the standard that the consumer high end i7 has become.

To make it clear, I have no problem with this chip existing, I just hate the (rumoured) name


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I picture this is my head

 

*orders 7700K*

*wait a week, while starting at window for package to arrive*

*post man drives up to front door with brown box*

*runs to open door, with huge grin*

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*e-mail reads, Introducing Core i7 7740K!*

 


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2 hours ago, Deli said:

For the 1001 th time. The TIM that Intel uses is good stuff. If you can find some better thermal paste that can withstand as much heat cycles and years of use, you win.

Being durable and performing well are completely different things. If someone purchases a "k" series chip they're obviously pretty likely to have some interest in overclocking and there's an even better chance that they will be limited by thermals as a result of the lower performance paste. How about Intel gives consumers the option to replace the paste between the IHS and die without voiding their warranty for trying to get the performance they should have received?


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7 minutes ago, Carclis said:

Being durable and performing well are completely different things. If someone purchases a "k" series chip they're obviously pretty likely to have some interest in overclocking and there's an even better chance that they will be limited by thermals as a result of the lower performance paste. How about Intel gives consumers the option to replace the paste between the IHS and die without voiding their warranty for trying to get the performance they should have received?

Supposedly the TIM isn't the cause, but rather air pockets/bad application methods. 

 

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